On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:44:49 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.

15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.

30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.

40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.

45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.

60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.

Why aren't we taxing the crap out of alcohol consumption?

ANSWER ME HENRY WAXWORM!!!

Have you ever bought booze up here?

I haven't bought "booze" in years. In fact, I took threepontoons some
top shelf ale down to SC and when I bought it (i haven't bought beer
in 20 years) I was floored at how much it cost - a micro brew true,
but still. :)

--

"An idealist is one who, on noticing that
a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes
that it will also make better soup."

H.L. Mencken

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 00:26:37 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.

15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.

30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.

40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.

45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.

60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.

Why aren't we taxing the crap out of alcohol consumption?

ANSWER ME HENRY WAXWORM!!!

Because:

1) It would accomplish nothing.

2) Booze lobbyists would never let it happen.

Nope.

And I'm not even going to detail why because it will turn into a rant
and I'm just not up to it today - tonight - this morning - whatever.

On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:26:04 -0600, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:16:31 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:


Why aren't we taxing the crap out of alcohol consumption?

While "taxing the crap" is relative, some states are, just not your
state, or mine. Washington and Oregon are right at $20 per gallon.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/245.html

That's a start. Now if we can get it to $50 a gallon which would be
on a par with tobacco taxes, I'd be happy. :)

~~ mutter - cigars costing me a fortune ~~

--

"Do what you can, with what you
have, where you are."

Theodore Roosevelt.

On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:56:42 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.

15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.

30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.

40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.

45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.

60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.

Why aren't we taxing the crap out of alcohol consumption?

ANSWER ME HENRY WAXWORM!!!

Ted Kennedy does not smoke.

And that is relevant how? :)
--

Happy Holidays and Merry Whatever It Is
That ****es Liberals Off.

On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:53:40 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
om...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.


I'm in favor of banning the growth and sale of all tobacco products.
Thought you'd like to know that.

But people want it. And it is less dangerous than alcohol. Will the
tobacco companies stop paying the money the states collected and borrowed
against with the new taxes seeming to violate the agreement between the
government and tobacco. This country was founded on freedom of choice.
1984 is happening.

Damn straight. Used to be a good $5 cigar was a good cigar. A $5
cigar in today's money is about $45.

That is just obscene.

And when Obamessiah lifts the Cuban embargo, what the hell are they
going to sell to the US then? Sugar?

~~ mutter ~~

--

"An idealist is one who, on noticing that
a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes
that it will also make better soup."

H.L. Mencken

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:18:51 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:22:25 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.
I'm in favor of banning the growth and sale of all tobacco products.
Thought you'd like to know that.

Great - that's wonderful that you have an actual opinon on the subject
of smoking.

Now, how about the alcohol?

I'm not in favor of excessive drinking. I am in favor of criminal
penalties for those who drink and drive. As in jail time...for the first
offense.

Not what I asked. Based on the personal and economic devastation
wrought on the American public by excessive drinking of alcohol, are
you in favor of increasing the taxes by triple or quadruple the
amounts now taxed in the same manner as tobacco?

--

"Every normal man must be tempted at times
to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag,
and begin to slit throats."

H. L. Mencken

You up late drinking and harassing the troops? 8)

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 05:35:01 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:18:51 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:22:25 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.
I'm in favor of banning the growth and sale of all tobacco products.
Thought you'd like to know that.

Great - that's wonderful that you have an actual opinon on the subject
of smoking.

Now, how about the alcohol?

I'm not in favor of excessive drinking. I am in favor of criminal
penalties for those who drink and drive. As in jail time...for the first
offense.

Not what I asked. Based on the personal and economic devastation
wrought on the American public by excessive drinking of alcohol, are
you in favor of increasing the taxes by triple or quadruple the
amounts now taxed in the same manner as tobacco?

You up late drinking and harassing the troops? 8)

Diet Pepsi and yes. :)

--

"An idealist is one who, on noticing that
a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes
that it will also make better soup."

H.L. Mencken

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:18:51 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:22:25 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.
I'm in favor of banning the growth and sale of all tobacco products.
Thought you'd like to know that.
Great - that's wonderful that you have an actual opinon on the subject
of smoking.

Now, how about the alcohol?
I'm not in favor of excessive drinking. I am in favor of criminal
penalties for those who drink and drive. As in jail time...for the first
offense.

Not what I asked. Based on the personal and economic devastation
wrought on the American public by excessive drinking of alcohol, are
you in favor of increasing the taxes by triple or quadruple the
amounts now taxed in the same manner as tobacco?


Nope. I'm not opposed to a modest increase in taxes on alcohol, but I do
think the taxes on tobacco products should at least double every year
until they are so expensive no one can afford them. Most people who do
enjoy a drink or two once in a while never become alcoholics, and modest
drinking is not obnoxious to other people. Smoking is obnoxious, period.
The smell is awful and if you are exposed to a smoker, his cloud of
effluent makes your clothes and hair stink as badly as his do.

Sorry I am not as "consistent" as you would like, but I really believe
smoking is the foulest of habits.

wrote:
On Jan 5, 11:14 pm, "Mike" wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenewsdi5m4l4462l2r3sp6agcs9bln3iltk5d9@4ax .com...





On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:22:25 -0500, hk wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html
Here's what I want to know:
5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.
I'm in favor of banning the growth and sale of all tobacco products.
Thought you'd like to know that.
Great - that's wonderful that you have an actual opinon on the subject
of smoking.
Now, how about the alcohol?
--
"Do what you can, with what you
have, where you are."
Theodore Roosevelt.
As Scott mentioned, harry's response had absolutely nothing to do with the
thread you began. His rebuttal to your follow up, again had nothing to do
with the thread. What does smoking have to do with booze? This is his M.O.
in *every* thread. This will now grow to a long winded, flaming, personal
attack thread. As is every other one that harry contributes to. Yes, I'm
part of it, and I apologize. I will not respond to this thread again.

Oh yeah, I notice that the only threads that don't get out of hand, are the
ones that harry starts... no one responds. What a surprise.

--Mike- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, just so you know.. The attack was aimed at Tom who is well known
for enjoying a good cigar here and there.... You are right, it is his
M.O... it has been for over a decade.


Wrong, Lucky Strike breath. Tom posted a rant against alcohol because he
is upset over cigar taxes. I simply responded in kind without belaboring
it. Not everything fits into your simple-minded little world of black or
white.

I'm appalled by Tom's continued consumption of tobacco products. He's a
smart guy and knows better.

On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:31:38 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:18:51 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:22:25 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.
I'm in favor of banning the growth and sale of all tobacco products.
Thought you'd like to know that.
Great - that's wonderful that you have an actual opinon on the subject
of smoking.

Now, how about the alcohol?
I'm not in favor of excessive drinking. I am in favor of criminal
penalties for those who drink and drive. As in jail time...for the first
offense.

Not what I asked. Based on the personal and economic devastation
wrought on the American public by excessive drinking of alcohol, are
you in favor of increasing the taxes by triple or quadruple the
amounts now taxed in the same manner as tobacco?

Nope. I'm not opposed to a modest increase in taxes on alcohol, but I do
think the taxes on tobacco products should at least double every year
until they are so expensive no one can afford them. Most people who do
enjoy a drink or two once in a while never become alcoholics, and modest
drinking is not obnoxious to other people.

I can absoutely prove to you that one or two is just as bad as ten or
twelve.

It's science baby.

Smoking is obnoxious, period.

So funking what. It's my freakin' life and I can do with it as I
please.

Or used to be able to anyway. You don't like my cigars, walk down the
street.

See if I care.

The smell is awful and if you are exposed to a smoker, his cloud of
effluent makes your clothes and hair stink as badly as his do.

Sorry I am not as "consistent" as you would like, but I really believe
smoking is the foulest of habits.

No - the foulest of habits is telling other people how to live their
lives.

--

"An idealist is one who, on noticing that
a rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes
that it will also make better soup."

H.L. Mencken