On Jan 6, 2:21*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 00:26:37 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"





wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.

15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.

30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.

40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.

45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.

60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.

Why aren't we taxing the crap out of alcohol consumption?

ANSWER ME HENRY WAXWORM!!!

Because:

1) It would accomplish nothing.

2) Booze lobbyists would never let it happen.

Nope.

And I'm not even going to detail why because it will turn into a rant
and I'm just not up to it today - tonight - this morning - whatever.- Hide quoted text -

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Really, taxing to death does work for behavior modification.. When the
price of fuel went up, people stopped driving. They have taxed the
crap out of tobacco and many newer cars we were looking at before the
health issue don't even come stock with ashtrays or cigar lighters..

On Jan 6, 2:33*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:56:42 -0800, "CalifBill"





wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:djf5m4llipgme39r2ubg1n7gdfvggr42oi@4a x.com...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.

15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.

30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.

40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.

45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.

60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.

Why aren't we taxing the crap out of alcohol consumption?

ANSWER ME HENRY WAXWORM!!!

Ted Kennedy does not smoke.

And that is relevant how? *:)
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Happy Holidays and Merry Whatever It Is
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If he smoked, there would be no taxes on it.. I think that is his
point...

On Jan 6, 6:53*am, hk wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:





On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:31:38 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:18:51 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:22:25 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.
I'm in favor of banning the growth and sale of all tobacco products.
Thought you'd like to know that.
Great - that's wonderful that you have an actual opinon on the subject
of smoking.

Now, how about the alcohol?
I'm not in favor of excessive drinking. I am in favor of criminal
penalties for those who drink and drive. As in jail time...for the first
offense.
Not what I asked. *Based on the personal and economic devastation
wrought on the American public by excessive drinking of alcohol, are
you in favor of increasing the taxes by triple or quadruple the
amounts now taxed in the same manner as tobacco?
Nope. I'm not opposed to a modest increase in taxes on alcohol, but I do
think the taxes on tobacco products should at least double every year
until they are so expensive no one can afford them. Most people who do
enjoy a drink or two once in a while never become alcoholics, and modest
drinking is not obnoxious to other people.

I can absoutely prove to you that one or two is just as bad as ten or
twelve.

It's science baby.

Smoking is obnoxious, period.

So funking what. It's my freakin' life and I can do with it as I
please.

Or used to be able to anyway. *You don't like my cigars, walk down the
street.

See if I care.

The smell is awful and if you are exposed to a smoker, his cloud of
effluent makes your clothes and hair stink as badly as his do.

Sorry I am not as "consistent" as you would like, but I really believe
smoking is the foulest of habits.

No - the foulest of habits is telling other people how to live their
lives.

Oh, I am sure you can find some sort of spurious science to "prove"
anything you like. That'll help you convince yourself. After all, it is
what you do with global warming, right?

Why should I have to walk down the street for "atmospheric relief"
because some inconsiderate fool is smoking like a chimney, stinking up
the environment and exposing me to second-hand smoke? *I've gotten off
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Pfffttt.. Tom is more responsible than that. He asked me once if I
wanted a cigar and I noted how bad my lungs were and that they made me
pretty ill. He didn't light one for himself either... I am pretty sure
he really woudn't make someone else go down the street to avoid his
smoke.

On Jan 6, 7:53*am, hk wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:53:51 -0500, hk wrote:

Why should I have to walk down the street for "atmospheric relief"
because some inconsiderate fool is smoking like a chimney, stinking up
the environment and exposing me to second-hand smoke? *I've gotten off
elevators because someone who had been smoking recently got on and made
the elevator stink.

You're really sounding prissy here.
How do you operate around union guys?
Hope you don't get all huffy about them lighting up.

--Vic

None, not one of the union guys I know, smoke. Some did, but they gave
it up a long time ago. There's no smoking at the union offices I visit
downtown, because smoking is prohibited in DC offices. At one of the
white collar union offices I visit, there's no smoking outside on the
sidewalk, either, because the union president has made it known that
anyone who smokes is on the schitt list.

So you really are anti-choice!

On Jan 6, 8:36*am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 00:26:37 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:djf5m4llipgme39r2ubg1n7gdfvggr42oi@4 ax.com...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.

15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.

30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.

40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.

45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.

60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.

Why aren't we taxing the crap out of alcohol consumption?

ANSWER ME HENRY WAXWORM!!!

Because:

1) It would accomplish nothing.

2) Booze lobbyists would never let it happen.

Nope.

And I'm not even going to detail why because it will turn into a rant
and I'm just not up to it today - tonight - this morning - whatever.

If cigarettes are any indication, more taxes would not work. NY taxes the
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Check your numbers again, it's working...

Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:36:10 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

And when Obamessiah lifts the Cuban embargo, what the hell are they
going to sell to the US then? Sugar?

Ethanol?

Casady


Cheap labor, right offshore. Tourism. I'm ready for a visit.

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On Jan 6, 7:53 am, hk wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:53:51 -0500, hk wrote:
Why should I have to walk down the street for "atmospheric relief"
because some inconsiderate fool is smoking like a chimney, stinking up
the environment and exposing me to second-hand smoke? I've gotten off
elevators because someone who had been smoking recently got on and made
the elevator stink.
You're really sounding prissy here.
How do you operate around union guys?
Hope you don't get all huffy about them lighting up.
--Vic
None, not one of the union guys I know, smoke. Some did, but they gave
it up a long time ago. There's no smoking at the union offices I visit
downtown, because smoking is prohibited in DC offices. At one of the
white collar union offices I visit, there's no smoking outside on the
sidewalk, either, because the union president has made it known that
anyone who smokes is on the schitt list.

So you really are anti-choice!


When it comes to smoking, you bet.

On Jan 6, 9:43*am, Jim wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
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None, not one of the union guys I know, smoke. Some did, but they
gave it up a long time ago. There's no smoking at the union offices I
visit downtown, because smoking is prohibited in DC offices. At one
of the white collar union offices I visit, there's no smoking outside
on the sidewalk, either, because the union president has made it
known that anyone who smokes is on the schitt list.

That figures.

What about the guys that smoke on the way to to meeting? You can't
convince me that none do. *You have indicated that your nose is so
superior that you can detect the aroma of a departed smoker in an
elevator. *Are you now saying you can't smell it on the clothing of a
person sitting next to you?

Better never arrange to meet Obama.

Eisboch

Actually, the smoker in the elevator is one of the soon to be departed.
No, I cannot smell them after they have left the elevator...just while
they are in it.

Some years ago, I was at a breakfast meeting in Chicago *with some of
the officers of an international union. The exec veep lit up, and I
said, "Jesus, Tommy, would you put out the f*cking cigarette or I'll
puke in your eggs, and stop smoking before it kills you."

Everyone burst out laughing. "Tommy" was the union's persuader. He put
out the cigarette. That evening, at a reception-dinner, his wife planted
a big kiss on my cheek and told me that I was the only one who had the
balls to tell her husband to stop smoking.

Sadly, Tommy had a stroke the next year and died. He was only 60.

If I met Obama, I'd ask him if he had stopped smoking. It is a fair
question and he is smart enough to know that people who care about him
want him to stay healthy. I want him to serve two full terms in good
health.

You are so brave.
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Voter re-education..

"hk" wrote in message
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Some years ago, I was at a breakfast meeting in Chicago with some of the
officers of an international union. The exec veep lit up, and I said,
"Jesus, Tommy, would you put out the f*cking cigarette or I'll puke in
your eggs, and stop smoking before it kills you."




That must have been quite a few years ago. Smoking at meetings, dinners, in
public places went out by the 1990's either by law or by social pressure.

I used to smoke like a chimney, but have cut back significantly in an
attempt to stay healthy as long as I can. Hopefully this is the year I give
it up entirely.

I still smoke occasionally, but only in designated places even at my own
house. If I have an itch for a butt on the boat, I go out in the cockpit
area. If people are visiting that I know don't smoke, I don't smoke. We
don't allow smoking in our house, but we don't forbid anyone from smoking
anywhere outside.

I think it should be a personal choice, not legislated. Long term smoking
is a tough habit to kick and I admire people who have successfully done so
completely. Success is gained by encouragement, not by condemnation or
punishment.

Eisboch

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On Jan 6, 8:36 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
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On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 00:26:37 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:djf5m4llipgme39r2ubg1n7gdfvggr42oi@4 ax.com...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html

Here's what I want to know:

5% of all deaths from diseases of the circulatory system are
attributed to alcohol.

15% of all deaths from diseases of the respiratory system are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all deaths from accidents caused by fire and flames are
attributed to alcohol.

30% of all accidental drownings are attributed to alcohol.

30% of all suicides are attributed to alcohol.

40% of all deaths due to accidental falls are attributed to alcohol.

45% of all deaths in automobile accidents are attributed to alcohol.

60% of all homicides are attributed to alcohol.

Why aren't we taxing the crap out of alcohol consumption?

ANSWER ME HENRY WAXWORM!!!

Because:

1) It would accomplish nothing.

2) Booze lobbyists would never let it happen.

Nope.

And I'm not even going to detail why because it will turn into a rant
and I'm just not up to it today - tonight - this morning - whatever.

If cigarettes are any indication, more taxes would not work. NY taxes the
bejeezus out of them and it doesn't seem to slow sales any.- Hide quoted
text -

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Check your numbers again, it's working...
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Because of the tax, or other reasons?