Tim wrote:
On Jan 29, 2:09 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
I'm not sure what the raving lunatic means by "having never held a
real
job..." Being a lawyer is not a real job?
When did he actually practice law?
Being a teacher of
constitutional law is not a real job?
Maybe, but that's left to interpretation.
Being a community organizer is not a real job?
Nothing great about that, but then again Lennin was a community
organizer so I might give him some points there.
Being a U.S. Senator is not a real job?
The way he was in my state, being on the campaign trail for POTUS at
least 3 of his 4 years as senator?
NO!
Is being in the military a real job?
YES!
Oh...right. Sure. snerk- Hide quoted text -

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Absolutely SURE!

Oh...right...sure. snerk

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:25:10 -0600, thunder wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:44:12 -0500, Keith nuttle wrote:


You need to study the great depression and the effects of the New Deal.
The New Deal did nothing to stimulate the economy only prolong the
misery until WWII.

I have studied, and so have countless others, and that's the point. FDR
was flying blind during the Great Depression. We, on the other hand,
have 70 years of study to base our decisions on.


Even the liberal PBS reporters think the stimulus plan will do nothing
to create permanent jobs to get the economy out the recession. This
recession was caused by the clinton "loans for everyone" program. Until
those loans are purged from the system the economy will not truly
recover.
It is interesting to watch the liberals try to spin the issue to a
republican failure. I saw one article yesterday where 10 paragraphs of
facts of what was working to improve the economy and one sentence that
said the "proponents: of the stimulus package "thought" it would improve
the economy. The headlines stated the stimulus package would get the
economy out of the recession, absolutely not what the bulk of the
article said.

Horse ****, you haven't heard me blame the Republicans for this economic
mess, and, unlike you, I don't blame Clinton. You may want to do a
little studying yourself. There's a big difference between loans pushed
by the Community Reinvestment Act, and sub-prime loans. CRA related
lending isn't the problem.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/boardd...craloansurvey/

Sub-prime loans are, or more to the point, derivatives of sub-prime
loans. The heart of this economic collapse was greedy, incompetent
businessmen. When Lehman Brothers leveraged themselves over 33 to 1,
thinks get a little dicey when things go south. Compound that with a
herd mentality, and you get where we are. The government didn't do this,
but, hopefully, the government can get us out of this.

Thunder, you need to pay just a little attention:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL36n...eature=related

The regulators weren't allowed to do their job.
--
John H

For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm

* Definition of a teenager?
God's punishment...for enjoying sex. *

On Jan 29, 1:36*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:04:49 -0800 (PST),





wrote:
On Jan 29, 12:58*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:45:30 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:22:11 -0600, thunder wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:31:38 -0800, Frogwatch wrote:

Not content to
thumb their noses at their parents sacrifices, the boomers chose to
embrace immediate gratification via massive debt to fuel their every
whim. Now that the bill has come due, in true boomer fashion they are
now trying to pass the bill onto their great grandchildren via Obama’s
“Stimulus Plan” that will be paid by successive generations.

Up until Reagan, according to Dick Cheney, "proved deficits don't
matter", there were only two reasons for deficit spending, fighting a
war, and fighting a recession. *There were 55,000 announced job cuts on
Monday alone. *Frankly, I'm praying Obama's "Stimulus Plan" is enough. *
This is already going to be a severe recession, without Obama's plan, it
could very well be a depression. *Oh, and if something like the Great
Depression were to hit today, it would cost this country upwards of $20
trillion.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...8?language=pri...

Obama's stimulus plan could go a long way, if he wasn't using it as a power
play. What percent of his plan is actually going to infrastructure, which
was the big selling point around here?

It was loaded with infrastructure and other known economy stimulants.
In an effort to include Republicans in the process, he watered down
the package extensively with things requested by Republicans. Then the
Republicans chose not to support the bill that hwas now loaded with
THEIR bad ideas.

For every dollar you spend in tax cuts for corporations, you get back
about $1.03 in results

For every dollar you spend on infrastructure projects you get back
about $2 in results- Hide quoted text -

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Is that what Gerry Brooks told you? The Republican leadership said
there was not one of their initiatives included.. If you disagree,
Cite please..

I will await your insults, dismissals, etc... pfffttt... Talk is
cheap. Obama's has proved about as credible as yours and Harrys...

Obama shut down American news services during the campaign, and gave
his first official TV interview to Al Aribia (sp?). He is releasing
the Gitmo detainees and attacking Rush... He is talking
bipartisanship, and enforcing none of it. He is banning Lobbyists, and
filling his administration with them....

Barakolypse is upon us...

You really need to switch to the coffee in the green can. This post by
you is off the wall and incoherant.

For openers, who is "Gerry Brooks"? I have no idea who that is.

As far as cites, this is a major CURRENT news story, so you can easily
find the facts if they don't disturb you too much and cause some sort
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Yeah, nice goosstep...

On Jan 29, 2:20*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jan 29, 2:09 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
*I'm not sure what the raving lunatic means by "having never held a
real
*job..." Being a lawyer is not a real job?
When did he actually practice law?
Being a teacher of
constitutional law is not a real job?
Maybe, but that's left to interpretation.
Being a community organizer is not *a real job?
Nothing great about that, but then again Lennin was a community
organizer so I might give him some points there.
Being a U.S. Senator is not a real job?
The way he was in my state, being on the campaign trail for POTUS at
least 3 of his 4 years as senator?
NO!
*Is being in the military a real job?
YES!
Oh...right. Sure. *snerk- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Absolutely SURE!

Oh...right...sure. *snerk- Hide quoted text -

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OK "Harry, you may discount me when I say the being in the military is
a "job" , and I know you laugh art JohnH and BAR for their service in
the militaryas not having a "job" but if you'd like other opinions,
you might ask Vic, Richard, or Tom for their opinions.



And concerning O having or at least "performing" a "job" as a senator?
Ask Chris Matthews. don't take my word for it.

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:02:40 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"thunder" wrote in message
et...


Sub-prime loans are, or more to the point, derivatives of sub-prime
loans. The heart of this economic collapse was greedy, incompetent
businessmen. When Lehman Brothers leveraged themselves over 33 to 1,
thinks get a little dicey when things go south. Compound that with a
herd mentality, and you get where we are. The government didn't do this,
but, hopefully, the government can get us out of this.


Not going to be easy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090129...20090129173404


Eisboch

Did I miss something? I've read that the percent of the bill going to
infrastructure is in the 5% range, yet the article above says this:

"The bulk of the bill's spending is aimed at bringing aging infrastructure
into the 21st century to preserve and improve the country's long-term
competitiveness in the global economy, creating millions of jobs in the
process."
--
John H

For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm

* Definition of a teenager?
God's punishment...for enjoying sex. *

Tim wrote:
On Jan 29, 2:20 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jan 29, 2:09 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
I'm not sure what the raving lunatic means by "having never held a
real
job..." Being a lawyer is not a real job?
When did he actually practice law?
Being a teacher of
constitutional law is not a real job?
Maybe, but that's left to interpretation.
Being a community organizer is not a real job?
Nothing great about that, but then again Lennin was a community
organizer so I might give him some points there.
Being a U.S. Senator is not a real job?
The way he was in my state, being on the campaign trail for POTUS at
least 3 of his 4 years as senator?
NO!
Is being in the military a real job?
YES!
Oh...right. Sure. snerk- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Absolutely SURE!
Oh...right...sure. snerk- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

OK "Harry, you may discount me when I say the being in the military is
a "job" , and I know you laugh art JohnH and BAR for their service in
the militaryas not having a "job" but if you'd like other opinions,
you might ask Vic, Richard, or Tom for their opinions.

For some people, being in the military is a job. For others, it is a
boondoggle.

On Jan 29, 1:36*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:04:49 -0800 (PST),





wrote:
On Jan 29, 12:58*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:45:30 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:22:11 -0600, thunder wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:31:38 -0800, Frogwatch wrote:

Not content to
thumb their noses at their parents sacrifices, the boomers chose to
embrace immediate gratification via massive debt to fuel their every
whim. Now that the bill has come due, in true boomer fashion they are
now trying to pass the bill onto their great grandchildren via Obama’s
“Stimulus Plan” that will be paid by successive generations.

Up until Reagan, according to Dick Cheney, "proved deficits don't
matter", there were only two reasons for deficit spending, fighting a
war, and fighting a recession. *There were 55,000 announced job cuts on
Monday alone. *Frankly, I'm praying Obama's "Stimulus Plan" is enough. *
This is already going to be a severe recession, without Obama's plan, it
could very well be a depression. *Oh, and if something like the Great
Depression were to hit today, it would cost this country upwards of $20
trillion.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...8?language=pri...

Obama's stimulus plan could go a long way, if he wasn't using it as a power
play. What percent of his plan is actually going to infrastructure, which
was the big selling point around here?

It was loaded with infrastructure and other known economy stimulants.
In an effort to include Republicans in the process, he watered down
the package extensively with things requested by Republicans. Then the
Republicans chose not to support the bill that hwas now loaded with
THEIR bad ideas.

For every dollar you spend in tax cuts for corporations, you get back
about $1.03 in results

For every dollar you spend on infrastructure projects you get back
about $2 in results- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Is that what Gerry Brooks told you? The Republican leadership said
there was not one of their initiatives included.. If you disagree,
Cite please..

I will await your insults, dismissals, etc... pfffttt... Talk is
cheap. Obama's has proved about as credible as yours and Harrys...

Obama shut down American news services during the campaign, and gave
his first official TV interview to Al Aribia (sp?). He is releasing
the Gitmo detainees and attacking Rush... He is talking
bipartisanship, and enforcing none of it. He is banning Lobbyists, and
filling his administration with them....

Barakolypse is upon us...

You really need to switch to the coffee in the green can. This post by
you is off the wall and incoherant.

For openers, who is "Gerry Brooks"? I have no idea who that is.

Sure you do. You proved a couple of weeks back during the bomb theat
that you get your information spoon fed from the local news hawkers on
TV. That's why you can't cite any expamples, you only know what was
fed to you in 15 seconds or less... You and Harry are a lot alike in
that respect, you try to come off informed by can never back up
anything you repeat, just no substance there..


As far as cites, this is a major CURRENT news story, so you can easily
find the facts if they don't disturb you too much and cause some sort
of seizure.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Jan 29, 1:46*pm, Keith nuttle wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:45:30 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:22:11 -0600, thunder wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:31:38 -0800, Frogwatch wrote:

Not content to
thumb their noses at their parents sacrifices, the boomers chose to
embrace immediate gratification via massive debt to fuel their every
whim. Now that the bill has come due, in true boomer fashion they are
now trying to pass the bill onto their great grandchildren via Obama’s
“Stimulus Plan” that will be paid by successive generations.
Up until Reagan, according to Dick Cheney, "proved deficits don't
matter", there were only two reasons for deficit spending, fighting a
war, and fighting a recession. *There were 55,000 announced job cuts on
Monday alone. *Frankly, I'm praying Obama's "Stimulus Plan" is enough. *
This is already going to be a severe recession, without Obama's plan, it
could very well be a depression. *Oh, and if something like the Great
Depression were to hit today, it would cost this country upwards of $20
trillion.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...8?language=pri...
Obama's stimulus plan could go a long way, if he wasn't using it as a power
play. What percent of his plan is actually going to infrastructure, which
was the big selling point around here?

It was loaded with infrastructure and other known economy stimulants.
In an effort to include Republicans in the process, he watered down
the package extensively with things requested by Republicans. Then the
Republicans chose not to support the bill that hwas now loaded with
THEIR bad ideas.

For every dollar you spend in tax cuts for corporations, you get back
about $1.03 in results

For every dollar you spend on infrastructure projects you get back
about $2 in results

Please provide a source to support your statements!

I have never seen this data quoted in any source. *In fact what I have
seen is just the opposite.- Hide quoted text -

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He can't, so he will insult you and send you on a wild goose chase...

On Jan 29, 3:32*pm, John H wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:02:40 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"thunder" wrote in message
et...

Sub-prime loans are, or more to the point, derivatives of sub-prime
loans. *The heart of this economic collapse was greedy, incompetent
businessmen. *When Lehman Brothers leveraged themselves over 33 to 1,
thinks get a little dicey when things go south. *Compound that with a
herd mentality, and you get where we are. *The government didn't do this,
but, hopefully, the government can get us out of this.

Not going to be easy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090129...radedispute_20...

Eisboch

Did I miss something? I've read that the percent of the bill going to
infrastructure is in the 5% range, yet the article above says this:

"The bulk of the bill's spending is aimed at bringing aging infrastructure
into the 21st century to preserve and improve the country's long-term
competitiveness in the global economy, creating millions of jobs in the
process."
--
John H

For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm

* *Definition of a teenager?
* * *God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * *- Hide quoted text -

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5%, that's it... No one has shown anything to dispute this.. They
have said it, but Lobsta' boats don't count...

On Jan 29, 3:29*pm, Tim wrote:
On Jan 29, 2:20*pm, HK wrote:





Tim wrote:
On Jan 29, 2:09 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
*I'm not sure what the raving lunatic means by "having never held a
real
*job..." Being a lawyer is not a real job?
When did he actually practice law?
Being a teacher of
constitutional law is not a real job?
Maybe, but that's left to interpretation.
Being a community organizer is not *a real job?
Nothing great about that, but then again Lennin was a community
organizer so I might give him some points there.
Being a U.S. Senator is not a real job?
The way he was in my state, being on the campaign trail for POTUS at
least 3 of his 4 years as senator?
NO!
*Is being in the military a real job?
YES!
Oh...right. Sure. *snerk- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Absolutely SURE!

Oh...right...sure. *snerk- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

OK "Harry, you may discount me when I say the being in the military is
a "job" , and I know you laugh art JohnH and BAR for their service in
the militaryas not having a "job" but if you'd like other opinions,
you might ask Vic, Richard, or Tom for their opinions.

And concerning O having or at least "performing" a "job" as a senator?
Ask Chris Matthews. don't take my word for it.- Hide quoted text -

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You must be talking about this great interview snerk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZTo0iGc_Dw

Now that's a job I would love to have....