On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:57:48 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote in
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 05:39:40 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote in
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:26:48 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

Cliff wrote in
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Send some of those Cuba-trained doctors to the US.


Last I heard they were being treated like slaves in Venezuela and
they were begging for asylum in the US.

Cites?

My conversations with Cuban doctors in Argentina, Bolivia, Paraguay,
Venezuela and Peru said no such thing. All were well educated, kind
and anxious to help society.


http://news.google.com/archivesearch...GLG,GGLG:2006-
16,GGLG:en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn&q=cuban+doctors+venezuela+asylum

Pick a source you trust.

It was all over the news a while back.

Yeah, in the year 2000...

And it was two doctors.

Nor did the _single_ doctor in the 2007 article mention slavery. Where
do you get your prejudice, World Nut Daily?

Where is the slavery?

My statement stands as first-hand knowledge. The Cuban doctors I've
spoken to were proud of their profession and country while helping
others. It's amazing just how many and numerous they are. In many small
villages and towns there seems to be a Cuban doctor. You can't help but
run across them. I've seen them from the Northern jungles of Paraguay on
the Brazilian border to the remote Bolivian and Peruvian Andes.

Many, actually most I've encountered, are women.

From your google search string:


Cuban health professionals who defected apply for fast-track entry
to... Free with registration - Knight Ridder Washington Bureau -
AccessMyLibrary.com - Mar 9, 2007
Cuba has an estimated 40000 doctors, dentists, nurses and other medical
personnel working in 69 countries, including some 15000 in Venezuela.
...

Most go on to say that almost 100 medical personal, not doctors, have
applied for asylum in the U.S. under a program set up to lure
professionals from Cuba.

Whoop-de-****ing-do, 0.25% *medical* *personal,* not "doctors,"accepted
bribes amounting to hundreds of thousands of dollars. So, again, where
did you "hear[d] they were being treated like slaves in Venezuela and
begging for asylum"?


I suppose if you think Cuban's are free and allowed to raom around
Venezuela unmonitored then what you just wrote makes sense.

What makes you think otherwise? Any first hand knowledge or just
unsubstantiated opinion?

The truth is that they are not. They can only apply for asylum if they
can escape across the border to Columbia.

Cite?

Cuban health professionals are being traded for oil and some that have
escaped report to being forced to campaign and promote Chavez.

Cite? Your own reports shows that only 0.25% accepted U.S. bribes to
relocate.

They aren't allowed to talk to the press.

Where do you get this stuff?

How many are in Venezuela against their will? How many is too many? 5%?
50%?

How many claims are you going to fabricate?

Or doesn't their will matter just as long as they are treating poor
people for "free"?

Let's see, Cubans working among the poor and indigenous without charge
are bad, much worse, than U.S. doctors denying health care to the poor
and elderly. What planet do you live on?

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Regards, Curly
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Arrest Bush
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:58:16 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

Cliff wrote in
:

On 13 Feb 2009 05:39:40 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote in
news:4994f3e2$0$31588 :

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:26:48 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

Cliff wrote in
news:hnv7p4d6k1srg5gl5v3r4n446cms9kfci7@ 4ax.com:


Send some of those Cuba-trained doctors to the US.


Last I heard they were being treated like slaves in Venezuela and
they were begging for asylum in the US.

Cites?

My conversations with Cuban doctors in Argentina, Bolivia, Paraguay,
Venezuela and Peru said no such thing. All were well educated, kind
and anxious to help society.


http://news.google.com/archivesearch...GLG,GGLG:2006-
16,GGLG:en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn&q=cuban+doctors+venezuela+asylum

Pick a source you trust.

And you found that BS.

It was all over the news a while back.

Right.

More brilliant insight.

Then provide a cite to your disproven claims.

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Regards, Curly
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Arrest Bush
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Curly Surmudgeon wrote in
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:57:48 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote in
:

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 05:39:40 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote in
news:4994f3e2$0$31588 :

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:26:48 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

Cliff wrote in
news:hnv7p4d6k1srg5gl5v3r4n446cms9kfci7@ 4ax.com:


Send some of those Cuba-trained doctors to the US.


Last I heard they were being treated like slaves in Venezuela and
they were begging for asylum in the US.

Cites?

My conversations with Cuban doctors in Argentina, Bolivia,
Paraguay, Venezuela and Peru said no such thing. All were well
educated, kind and anxious to help society.


http://news.google.com/archivesearch...GLG,GGLG:2006-
16,GGLG:en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn&q=cuban+doctors+venezuela+asylum

Pick a source you trust.

It was all over the news a while back.

Yeah, in the year 2000...

There have been hundreds of defections.


And it was two doctors.

Nor did the _single_ doctor in the 2007 article mention slavery.
Where do you get your prejudice, World Nut Daily?

Where is the slavery?

I never claimed slavery. I made an analogy relating their poor working
conditions to slavery.


My statement stands as first-hand knowledge. The Cuban doctors I've
spoken to were proud of their profession and country while helping
others. It's amazing just how many and numerous they are. In many
small villages and towns there seems to be a Cuban doctor. You can't
help but run across them. I've seen them from the Northern jungles of
Paraguay on the Brazilian border to the remote Bolivian and Peruvian
Andes.

Many, actually most I've encountered, are women.

OK. All I said is that some want to defect. Many have been murdered, beaten
and robbed. They are poorly compensated and Venezuelan doctors claim that
they are poorly trained. Service can be compulsory:

Cuba - section 220 of the Labour Code: a sentence of imprisonment of from
six months to two years may be imposed on a person who, by breach of the
duties placed on him by his office, employment, occupation or profession in
a state economic unit (particularly of his duties relating to the
observance of the standards or standard-setting instructions and other
rules and instructions concerning technological discipline) causes harm or
substantial prejudice to the production output or to the rendering of
services by the unit or to its equipment, machines, machinery, tools or
other technical devices. The Committee has noted the information provided
by the Government in its report (including the documents annexed to the
report), to the effect that any sentences of correctional labour imposed
for violations of this provision are subject to the person sentenced being
willing to perform such labour.


http://www.ilo.org/public/english/st...6/pdf/rep-iii-
1b.pdf


From your google search string:


Cuban health professionals who defected apply for fast-track entry
to... Free with registration - Knight Ridder Washington Bureau -
AccessMyLibrary.com - Mar 9, 2007
Cuba has an estimated 40000 doctors, dentists, nurses and other
medical personnel working in 69 countries, including some 15000 in
Venezuela. ...

Most go on to say that almost 100 medical personal, not doctors,
have applied for asylum in the U.S. under a program set up to lure
professionals from Cuba.

Whoop-de-****ing-do, 0.25% *medical* *personal,* not
"doctors,"accepted bribes amounting to hundreds of thousands of
dollars. So, again, where did you "hear[d] they were being treated
like slaves in Venezuela and begging for asylum"?


I suppose if you think Cuban's are free and allowed to raom around
Venezuela unmonitored then what you just wrote makes sense.

What makes you think otherwise? Any first hand knowledge or just
unsubstantiated opinion?

I've read first hand accounts from defectors.


The truth is that they are not. They can only apply for asylum if
they can escape across the border to Columbia.

Cite?

Cuban health professionals are being traded for oil and some that
have escaped report to being forced to campaign and promote Chavez.

Cite? Your own reports shows that only 0.25% accepted U.S. bribes to
relocate.

They aren't allowed to talk to the press.

Where do you get this stuff?

Just open your eyes.

http://www.cubastudygroup.org/index.cfm?
FuseAction=PressReleases.Detail&PressRelease_id=38 87&Month=8&Year=2008


How many are in Venezuela against their will? How many is too many?
5%? 50%?

How many claims are you going to fabricate?

Where is the fabrication? I asked a question.


Or doesn't their will matter just as long as they are treating poor
people for "free"?

Let's see, Cubans working among the poor and indigenous without charge
are bad, much worse, than U.S. doctors denying health care to the poor
and elderly. What planet do you live on?


Projection.

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Dan

CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 01:00:21 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote in
:

On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:57:48 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote in
:

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 05:39:40 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote in
news:4994f3e2$0$31588 :

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:26:48 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

Cliff wrote in
news:hnv7p4d6k1srg5gl5v3r4n446cms9kfci7@ 4ax.com:


Send some of those Cuba-trained doctors to the US.


Last I heard they were being treated like slaves in Venezuela and
they were begging for asylum in the US.

Cites?

My conversations with Cuban doctors in Argentina, Bolivia,
Paraguay, Venezuela and Peru said no such thing. All were well
educated, kind and anxious to help society.


http://news.google.com/archivesearch...GLG,GGLG:2006-
16,GGLG:en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn&q=cuban+doctors+venezuela+asylum

Pick a source you trust.

It was all over the news a while back.

Yeah, in the year 2000...

There have been hundreds of defections.

Another claim you've failed to substantiate. Bribery is a better word in
this context, Cubans are bribed to defect with lives of luxury supported
by the U.S. Government for propaganda. Above your own link google links
claim on the average 100 defections. That's out out of 40,000 medical
personal or 0.25% who took the bribes offered. One quarter of one
percent.

And it was two doctors.

Nor did the _single_ doctor in the 2007 article mention slavery. Where
do you get your prejudice, World Nut Daily?

Where is the slavery?

I never claimed slavery. I made an analogy relating their poor working
conditions to slavery.

No, you said, "Last I heard they were being treated like slaves in
Venezuela..."

Where's the slavery?

My statement stands as first-hand knowledge. The Cuban doctors I've
spoken to were proud of their profession and country while helping
others. It's amazing just how many and numerous they are. In many
small villages and towns there seems to be a Cuban doctor. You can't
help but run across them. I've seen them from the Northern jungles of
Paraguay on the Brazilian border to the remote Bolivian and Peruvian
Andes.

Many, actually most I've encountered, are women.

OK. All I said is that some want to defect.

Cite?

Many have been murdered, beaten and robbed.

A new charge, any cites?

They are poorly compensated and Venezuelan doctors claim that they are
poorly trained.

Any cites to substantiate that claim?

Service can be compulsory:

Any cites to substantiate that claim?

Cuba - section 220 of the Labour Code: a sentence of imprisonment of
from six months to two years may be imposed on a person who, by breach
of the duties placed on him by his office, employment, occupation or
profession in a state economic unit (particularly of his duties relating
to the observance of the standards or standard-setting instructions and
other rules and instructions concerning technological discipline) causes
harm or substantial prejudice to the production output or to the
rendering of services by the unit or to its equipment, machines,
machinery, tools or other technical devices. The Committee has noted the
information provided by the Government in its report (including the
documents annexed to the report), to the effect that any sentences of
correctional labour imposed for violations of this provision are subject
to the person sentenced being willing to perform such labour.


http://www.ilo.org/public/english/st...6/pdf/rep-iii-
1b.pdf

What does that have to do with the 40,000 doctors Cuba sends all over the
world?

From your google search string:


Cuban health professionals who defected apply for fast-track entry
to... Free with registration - Knight Ridder Washington Bureau -
AccessMyLibrary.com - Mar 9, 2007
Cuba has an estimated 40000 doctors, dentists, nurses and other
medical personnel working in 69 countries, including some 15000 in
Venezuela. ...

Most go on to say that almost 100 medical personal, not doctors, have
applied for asylum in the U.S. under a program set up to lure
professionals from Cuba.

Whoop-de-****ing-do, 0.25% *medical* *personal,* not
"doctors,"accepted bribes amounting to hundreds of thousands of
dollars. So, again, where did you "hear[d] they were being treated
like slaves in Venezuela and begging for asylum"?


I suppose if you think Cuban's are free and allowed to raom around
Venezuela unmonitored then what you just wrote makes sense.

What makes you think otherwise? Any first hand knowledge or just
unsubstantiated opinion?

I've read first hand accounts from defectors.

In other words you really don't have a clue.

The truth is that they are not. They can only apply for asylum if they
can escape across the border to Columbia.

Cite?

Cuban health professionals are being traded for oil and some that have
escaped report to being forced to campaign and promote Chavez.

Cite? Your own reports shows that only 0.25% accepted U.S. bribes to
relocate.

Still no cites. Don't expect to bull**** your way through this.

They aren't allowed to talk to the press.

Where do you get this stuff?

Just open your eyes.

Better than opening my eyes, I've met the very people you're speaking
of. I've traveled with, dined with, socialized with Cuban doctors and
you're wrong. Don't believe the propaganda we've been fed for 50 years
and research the topic objectively. Better yet get off your couch and do
your own research.

http://www.cubastudygroup.org/index.cfm?
FuseAction=PressReleases.Detail&PressRelease_id=38 87&Month=8&Year=2008


How many are in Venezuela against their will? How many is too many?
5%? 50%?

How many claims are you going to fabricate?

Where is the fabrication? I asked a question.

Your question was an implication just as mine was.

Or doesn't their will matter just as long as they are treating poor
people for "free"?

Let's see, Cubans working among the poor and indigenous without charge
are bad, much worse, than U.S. doctors denying health care to the poor
and elderly. What planet do you live on?


Projection.

To recap, you read a few websites and ran them through your prejudicial
filters then make assertions that don't exist in the real world.

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Regards, Curly
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Arrest Bush
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On 15 Feb 2009 01:00:21 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

Cuba - section 220 of the Labour Code: a sentence of imprisonment of from
six months to two years may be imposed on a person who, by breach of the
duties placed on him by his office, employment, occupation or profession in
a state economic unit (particularly of his duties relating to the
observance of the standards or standard-setting instructions and other
rules and instructions concerning technological discipline) causes harm or
substantial prejudice to the production output or to the rendering of
services by the unit or to its equipment, machines, machinery, tools or
other technical devices. The Committee has noted the information provided
by the Government in its report (including the documents annexed to the
report), to the effect that any sentences of correctional labour imposed
for violations of this provision are subject to the person sentenced being
willing to perform such labour.

Bankers & brokers in jail for massive fraud instead of
getting about 9 trillion in "bailouts" plus huge bonuses
from bushco buddies?
How would that work out?
How about considering them as terrorists?

IIRC The UK has brought charges against some already ..
--
Cliff

On 15 Feb 2009 01:00:21 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

What makes you think otherwise? Any first hand knowledge or just
unsubstantiated opinion?

I've read first hand accounts from defectors.

IOW his unsubstantiated opinion.
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Cliff

On 14 Feb 2009 16:58:16 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

Cliff wrote in
:

On 13 Feb 2009 05:39:40 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote in
news:4994f3e2$0$31588 :

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:26:48 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

Cliff wrote in
news:hnv7p4d6k1srg5gl5v3r4n446cms9kfci7@ 4ax.com:


Send some of those Cuba-trained doctors to the US.


Last I heard they were being treated like slaves in Venezuela and
they were begging for asylum in the US.

Cites?

My conversations with Cuban doctors in Argentina, Bolivia, Paraguay,
Venezuela and Peru said no such thing. All were well educated, kind
and anxious to help society.


http://news.google.com/archivesearch...GLG,GGLG:2006-
16,GGLG:en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn&q=cuban+doctors+venezuela+asylum

Pick a source you trust.

And you found that BS.

It was all over the news a while back.

Right.

More brilliant insight.

And Curly nailed you.
With wingers where's the sport?
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Cliff

Cliff wrote in
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On 14 Feb 2009 16:58:16 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

Cliff wrote in
m:

On 13 Feb 2009 05:39:40 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote in
news:4994f3e2$0$31588 :

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:26:48 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

Cliff wrote in
news:hnv7p4d6k1srg5gl5v3r4n446cms9kfci7@ 4ax.com:


Send some of those Cuba-trained doctors to the US.


Last I heard they were being treated like slaves in Venezuela and
they were begging for asylum in the US.

Cites?

My conversations with Cuban doctors in Argentina, Bolivia,
Paraguay,
Venezuela and Peru said no such thing. All were well educated,
kind
and anxious to help society.


http://news.google.com/archivesearch...GLG,GGLG:2006-
16,GGLG:en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn&q=cuban+doctors+venezuela+asylum

Pick a source you trust.

And you found that BS.

It was all over the news a while back.

Right.

More brilliant insight.

And Curly nailed you.

Says you. At least he has a brain unlike yourself. Because of that I
might have learned a little more about the subject.

With wingers where's the sport?

Your contribution is name calling. Big surprise.

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Dan

CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d

On 16 Feb 2009 05:36:09 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

And Curly nailed you.

Says you. At least he has a brain unlike yourself. Because of that I
might have learned a little more about the subject.

And your claims & assumptions were wrong in the first place, right?
You buy winger propaganda in wholesale batches.
--
Cliff

On 16 Feb 2009 05:31:20 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

I've also read where they are monitored and their documents are
confiscated when they arrive.

Never been outside the US, eh?
Let's see your green card.
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Cliff