On 16 Feb 2009 05:31:20 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

They also seek asylum in Venezuela, Canada, etc.

Thought Canada was now refusing it to some from the US.
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Cliff

On 16 Feb 2009 05:31:20 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

They also seek asylum in Venezuela, Canada, etc.

Thought you said they were fleeing Venezuela in
droves ... now they want back in?
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Cliff

On 16 Feb 2009 05:31:20 GMT, D Murphy wrote:


No, you said, "Last I heard they were being treated like slaves in
Venezuela..."

Where's the slavery?

"Like" meaning "analgous to". Refering to working very long hours in very
poor and dangerous neighborhoods at below poverty line wages.

Did I miss the AMA trying to recruit from Cuba?
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Cliff

On 16 Feb 2009 05:31:20 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

However, since August of 2006 U.S. policy towards doctors and other
medical specialists has changed, resulting in as many as 500 medical
professionals and their dependents applying for entry to the U.S. from
the countries where they serve -- outside of Cuba. Other medical
professionals serving in Venezuela have crossed the border into Colombia
to seek asylum in that country as well as in foreign embassies located
there.]

So doctors & nurses like money?
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Cliff

Cliff wrote in news:unojp4pd04kdckmuletgjrjr15rtgorm94@
4ax.com:

On 16 Feb 2009 05:31:20 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

I've also read where they are monitored and their documents are
confiscated when they arrive.

Never been outside the US, eh?
Let's see your green card.

I've filled more than one passport and took six years of Spanish, but it's
been a while, and while I'm sure I'd struggle I could probably get by.

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Cliff wrote in news:ssojp411u2mon0rs9p8q259d4qt42r673p@
4ax.com:

On 16 Feb 2009 05:31:20 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

They also seek asylum in Venezuela, Canada, etc.

Thought you said they were fleeing Venezuela in
droves ... now they want back in?

Not what I said.

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Cliff wrote in news:rkojp4la63r4e5h2jrbtmbdp9tn0fmatu0@
4ax.com:

On 16 Feb 2009 05:36:09 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

And Curly nailed you.

Says you. At least he has a brain unlike yourself. Because of that I
might have learned a little more about the subject.

And your claims & assumptions were wrong in the first place, right?
You buy winger propaganda in wholesale batches.

Nope.

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Curly Surmudgeon wrote in news:499931b3$0$31617
:

Many have been murdered, beaten and robbed.

A new charge, any cites?

A new charge, any cites?

They are poorly compensated and Venezuelan doctors claim that they are
poorly trained.

Any cites to substantiate that claim?

Start by reading the speech Chavez gave where he condemmed the murder of
a Cuban doctor.

It's your claim, you provide the cite.

Here is one I turned up in a quick search -

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/...-diplomacy.htm

I did read a report about Chavez mentioning a particular murder of a Cuban
doctor in a speech. It was newsworthy in that he rarely admits to any sort
of problems publicly.

Seriously, they aren't all serving in remote rural areas. Some are posted
in very dangerous urban neighborhoods, the likes of which don't exist in
Cuba, where violent crime is prevelent. And I'll wager that these Cuban
docs are far from street wise.

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On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:28:32 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote in
news:499931b3$0$31617 :

Many have been murdered, beaten and robbed.

A new charge, any cites?

A new charge, any cites?

They are poorly compensated and Venezuelan doctors claim that they
are poorly trained.

Any cites to substantiate that claim?

Start by reading the speech Chavez gave where he condemmed the murder
of a Cuban doctor.

It's your claim, you provide the cite.

Here is one I turned up in a quick search -

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/...-diplomacy.htm

Ok, that's one in 72,000 or 0.001389%. All numbers taken from your
article.

I did read a report about Chavez mentioning a particular murder of a
Cuban doctor in a speech. It was newsworthy in that he rarely admits to
any sort of problems publicly.

Seriously, they aren't all serving in remote rural areas. Some are
posted in very dangerous urban neighborhoods, the likes of which don't
exist in Cuba, where violent crime is prevelent.

No doubt, there are, indeed, some very dangerous barrios in every large
town. Caracas has two really nasty ones that I was repeatedly advised to
stay clear of. Nor is it a surprise they exist.

150 years of foreign enslavement by the U.S. Government and corporations
have kept Venezuela in turmoil with repeated riots, military takeover,
dictators, and socialists. Read "Shock Doctrine" which focuses on
Chile. The policies were carried out in "Gran Columbia" a century before.

Are you aware that Venezuela, like Panama, was part of Gran Columbia
before the US shattered the nation to obtain a legal pretext for
ownership to build the canal?

Stop blaming the Latins for events caused, directly, by the United States.

And I'll wager that these Cuban docs are far from street wise.

I'm not a bookie.


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Curly Surmudgeon wrote in
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:28:32 +0000, D Murphy wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote in
news:499931b3$0$31617 :

Many have been murdered, beaten and robbed.

A new charge, any cites?

A new charge, any cites?

They are poorly compensated and Venezuelan doctors claim that
they are poorly trained.

Any cites to substantiate that claim?

Start by reading the speech Chavez gave where he condemmed the
murder of a Cuban doctor.

It's your claim, you provide the cite.

Here is one I turned up in a quick search -

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/...-diplomacy.htm

Ok, that's one in 72,000 or 0.001389%. All numbers taken from your
article.

Believe it or not I'm pretty good at math.

BTW, "one" being the cite, more cases were mentioned in the article which
is just one doctor's first hand account. And of course her experience
could be the worst of anyone elses, typical, or better. There's no way of
knowing.


I did read a report about Chavez mentioning a particular murder of a
Cuban doctor in a speech. It was newsworthy in that he rarely admits
to any sort of problems publicly.

Seriously, they aren't all serving in remote rural areas. Some are
posted in very dangerous urban neighborhoods, the likes of which
don't exist in Cuba, where violent crime is prevelent.

No doubt, there are, indeed, some very dangerous barrios in every
large town. Caracas has two really nasty ones that I was repeatedly
advised to stay clear of. Nor is it a surprise they exist.

150 years of foreign enslavement by the U.S. Government and
corporations have kept Venezuela in turmoil with repeated riots,
military takeover, dictators, and socialists. Read "Shock Doctrine"
which focuses on Chile. The policies were carried out in "Gran
Columbia" a century before.

Are you aware that Venezuela, like Panama, was part of Gran Columbia
before the US shattered the nation to obtain a legal pretext for
ownership to build the canal?

I doubt that has much to do with bad neighborhoods. They exist almost
everywhere.

The US also paid Columbia restitution and one could argue that the
construction effort eliminated a lot of disease in the area and improved
living conditions for many.

As far as Venezuela goes, they pulled out of Gran Columbia in 1830, long
before the building of the Panama Canal, which BTW, was originally
started by the French. But yeah, Roosevelt muscled his way in there and
sponsored revolution.

To say the United States "enslaved" the Venezuelan government in mid 19th
century has no basis in the reality of the situation there at that time
though.


Stop blaming the Latins for events caused, directly, by the United
States.

I never blamed anyone for anything. You are reading way too much into
this. But as long as we are looking for villians in Latin American
history, maybe we should start with Cortez? In the end we can no more
change that history as the rest, so maybe it's best to look forward.

It's always easy to look at the past with 20/20 hindsight and see the
mistakes. It's also easy to live in the past and blame it for every
percieved wrong in ones life. Blame is the life blood of populist
socialist governments. It deflects the critisism away from any of their
failings and points it toward some big imagined evil empire.


And I'll wager that these Cuban docs are far from street wise.

I'm not a bookie.


Just a figure of speech.

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