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![]() "Blazer" wrote in message ... On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:48:26 -0400, HK wrote: Blazer wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:19:30 -0400, HK wrote: wrote: On Mar 10, 4:02 pm, John H wrote: ... believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge. (Another belief coming tomorrow) -- John H "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson Go back to Rainbow City, turd. You probably don't how how funny Herring's little turd droppings are. Herring has lived off the taxpayers for almost his entire adult life, first as a soldier, then as a public school substitute teacher, and now as a retiree. To Herring, government checks are bad, *unless* they are going into his pocket. Oh, and when he plays golf, he likes to play on courses paid for and maintained by the taxpayers. Wow, you've really got it in for 'Herring'. Are you saying that being a soldier is a bad thing? And teaching? Do you think it's wrong for someone to play golf on a public golf course? I've never heard of a 'free' public golf course, though. Do they have them where you live? D'oh. You aren't a Loogy doppelganger, are you? You come across here just as stupid as he is. I think you are about ready for the filter dumpster. No, dummy, I am not claiming being a soldier or a teacher is bad. I have great respect for teachers. I have no respect, though, for turds like Herring who spend their entire life sucking on the taxpayers' teat and then whine about their misconceptions regarding socialism. Too subtle for you, right? It's strange that 'Herring' never responds to you. Is he afraid of you? So you do consider military service 'sucking on the government teat', as though Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, and Sailors don't really earn their money? I can't agree with you there. Harry's just doing what he does best, and that's spinning a debate. He's trying to make you believe that working for, and being paid by, the government is somehow socialist. So when John attacks the rampant socialism of some, he turns the attack on John for being "supported" by the government all his life. I think it's the opposite actually... John's service in the military supported the government (and us)! Thanks John! The quicker you put Harry in the trash bin, the better off you'll be. --Mike |
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On Mar 11, 6:53*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote: On Mar 11, 5:32 pm, Blazer wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:33:28 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message news:iImdnXRKV67nmiXUnZ2dnUVZ_srinZ2d@earthlink .com... Oh, and when he plays golf, he likes to play on courses paid for and maintained by the taxpayers. Blazer wrote: Wow, you've really got it in for 'Herring'. Are you saying that being a soldier is a bad thing? And teaching? Do you think it's wrong for someone to play golf on a public golf course? I've never heard of a 'free' public golf course, though. Do they have them where you live? D'oh. You aren't a Loogy doppelganger, are you? You come across here just as stupid as he is. I think you are about ready for the filter dumpster.. No, dummy, I am not claiming being a soldier or a teacher is bad. I have great respect for teachers. I have no respect, though, for turds like Herring who spend their entire life sucking on the taxpayers' teat and then whine about their misconceptions regarding socialism. Too subtle for you, right? Blazer, You apparently are relatively new here. * Allow me to clarify Harry's statements a bit. JohnH was drafted into the Army but continued his education leading to a commission. *He served honorably as a career Army officer including at least one tour (maybe more) in Vietnam. As you are probably aware the pay scale in the military isn't the highest in the world. *Certainly nowhere near the pay rates for even semi-skilled union workers in the auto industry. *However, JohnH chose to make the military a career. *Someone has to do it. When you retire from the military after a minimum of 20 years, you receive a small pension plus certain lifetime benefits for health care and use of military facilities, including recreational activities such as military owned golf courses, etc. * Not too different from benefits earned by retired union workers. However, in Harry's mind people like JohnH who earned these benefits while earning much less than his civilian counterparts, "spend their entire *life sucking on the taxpayers' teat. Harry never served in the military. Hopefully this helps you understand Harry a little more. Eisboch That clarifies a lot. Thank you. BTW. John doesn't toot his own horn, But *sort of will. He retired honorably *fromt he US Army with the rank of 0-5 which is Lieutenant Colonel (Lt.C). *And even with years of service,"O" *ranks are earned, not merely given away. No big whoop. Really. Neither is paying 35 and 25 years worth of union dues. |
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![]() "HK" wrote in message m... Tim wrote: And even with years of service,"O" ranks are earned, not merely given away. No big whoop. Really. But paying dues to belong to a union for 35 years is. Let me thing about that for a minute. Eisboch |
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On Mar 11, 6:53 pm, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Mar 11, 5:32 pm, Blazer wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:33:28 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message m... Oh, and when he plays golf, he likes to play on courses paid for and maintained by the taxpayers. Blazer wrote: Wow, you've really got it in for 'Herring'. Are you saying that being a soldier is a bad thing? And teaching? Do you think it's wrong for someone to play golf on a public golf course? I've never heard of a 'free' public golf course, though. Do they have them where you live? D'oh. You aren't a Loogy doppelganger, are you? You come across here just as stupid as he is. I think you are about ready for the filter dumpster. No, dummy, I am not claiming being a soldier or a teacher is bad. I have great respect for teachers. I have no respect, though, for turds like Herring who spend their entire life sucking on the taxpayers' teat and then whine about their misconceptions regarding socialism. Too subtle for you, right? Blazer, You apparently are relatively new here. Allow me to clarify Harry's statements a bit. JohnH was drafted into the Army but continued his education leading to a commission. He served honorably as a career Army officer including at least one tour (maybe more) in Vietnam. As you are probably aware the pay scale in the military isn't the highest in the world. Certainly nowhere near the pay rates for even semi-skilled union workers in the auto industry. However, JohnH chose to make the military a career. Someone has to do it. When you retire from the military after a minimum of 20 years, you receive a small pension plus certain lifetime benefits for health care and use of military facilities, including recreational activities such as military owned golf courses, etc. Not too different from benefits earned by retired union workers. However, in Harry's mind people like JohnH who earned these benefits while earning much less than his civilian counterparts, "spend their entire life sucking on the taxpayers' teat. Harry never served in the military. Hopefully this helps you understand Harry a little more. Eisboch That clarifies a lot. Thank you. BTW. John doesn't toot his own horn, But sort of will. He retired honorably fromt he US Army with the rank of 0-5 which is Lieutenant Colonel (Lt.C). And even with years of service,"O" ranks are earned, not merely given away. No big whoop. Really. Neither is paying 35 and 25 years worth of union dues. I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of others here. I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled tradesman union than it was to get into the army. |
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![]() "HK" wrote in message m... I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of others here. I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled tradesman union than it was to get into the army. Both are easy to "get in" but that's about where the similarity ends. It doesn't take much to stay in a union. Just open your wallet, pay your dues and don't rock the boat. To remain in the military you have to demonstrate value, competence and worth. This is particularly true as a commissioned officer, although it also applies to enlisted personnel. The military does not promote and retain slackers. What is wrong with you anyway Harry? I congratulated you for your union membership achievement and I meant it because it means something to you. Others have honorable achievements as well that have just as much meaning (or more) and benefit many more people, yet you stick your nose up in the air and insult them. Eisboch |
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"HK" wrote in message m... A has nothing to do with B or C. Herring whines about socialism and "freeloaders" sucking on the taxpayers' teat, and for about his entire working life, he has done the same. And now that he is retired, he still is sucking on the government teat. It's not the government pay or pension Herring got or gets I find offensive. It's the right-wing hypocrisy. It's just more right-wingnut hypocrisy. You make no sense. On one hand you say you don't find his government pay or pension offensive, yet you claim that "for about his entire working life, he has sucked on the government teat". He did a job that is authorized and funded by Congress on behalf of the taxpayer. So do many other federal employees, military and non-military. The only people I think JohnH complains about are those who are getting benefits at taxpayer's expense who are either not legally eligible for them, haven't earned them or otherwise don't qualify for them. I agree with him. Eisboch I agree with this post. Democrats paying illegals and losers is a far cry from paying those who have served our country admirably. WAFA will draw from his union pension. That money is funded by working Americans. John's pension is also funded by working Americans - WAFA chooses the word "government" but it's...money from working Americans. |
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![]() "HK" wrote in message m... Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message m... I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of others here. I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled tradesman union than it was to get into the army. Both are easy to "get in" but that's about where the similarity ends. It doesn't take much to stay in a union. Just open your wallet, pay your dues and don't rock the boat. I had to take and pass a multi-day knowledge and practical exam to get from apprentice to journeyman. And? An enlisted person in the military attends 9-10 *weeks* of basic military indoctrination. That's before attending the school for his/her particular job code. That school can last anywhere from 3 months to well over a year. Only *then* are they considered qualified to begin performing the equivilent of apprentice level work in their job rating. Advancement in rate is dependent on completing required courses in both military and specific job code curriculums, plus sign-off of practical demonstration sof competence by higher ranking commissioned or non-commissioned officers. Usually takes a couple of years to accomplish. To remain in the military you have to demonstrate value, competence and worth. This is particularly true as a commissioned officer, although it also applies to enlisted personnel. The military does not promote and retain slackers. Now *that* is funny. Why is that so funny to you? You obviously have no knowledge of or experience in the subject. Really Harry, to those of us that know what the military is all about, you are making a fool of yourself. Eisboch |
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![]() "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message m... Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message m... I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of others here. I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled tradesman union than it was to get into the army. Both are easy to "get in" but that's about where the similarity ends. It doesn't take much to stay in a union. Just open your wallet, pay your dues and don't rock the boat. I had to take and pass a multi-day knowledge and practical exam to get from apprentice to journeyman. And? An enlisted person in the military attends 9-10 *weeks* of basic military indoctrination. That's before attending the school for his/her particular job code. That school can last anywhere from 3 months to well over a year. Only *then* are they considered qualified to begin performing the equivilent of apprentice level work in their job rating. Advancement in rate is dependent on completing required courses in both military and specific job code curriculums, plus sign-off of practical demonstration sof competence by higher ranking commissioned or non-commissioned officers. Usually takes a couple of years to accomplish. To remain in the military you have to demonstrate value, competence and worth. This is particularly true as a commissioned officer, although it also applies to enlisted personnel. The military does not promote and retain slackers. Now *that* is funny. Why is that so funny to you? You obviously have no knowledge of or experience in the subject. Really Harry, to those of us that know what the military is all about, you are making a fool of yourself. Eisboch He seems to make a fool of himself no matter what he's talking about. Trying to equate the military to a union!!?? Man he's off the deep end. --Mike |
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On Mar 11, 7:05*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote: On Mar 11, 6:53 pm, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Mar 11, 5:32 pm, Blazer wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:33:28 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message news:iImdnXRKV67nmiXUnZ2dnUVZ_srinZ2d@earthli nk.com... Oh, and when he plays golf, he likes to play on courses paid for and maintained by the taxpayers. Blazer wrote: Wow, you've really got it in for 'Herring'. Are you saying that being a soldier is a bad thing? And teaching? Do you think it's wrong for someone to play golf on a public golf course? I've never heard of a 'free' public golf course, though. Do they have them where you live? D'oh. You aren't a Loogy doppelganger, are you? You come across here just as stupid as he is. I think you are about ready for the filter dumpster. No, dummy, I am not claiming being a soldier or a teacher is bad. I have great respect for teachers. I have no respect, though, for turds like Herring who spend their entire life sucking on the taxpayers' teat and then whine about their misconceptions regarding socialism. Too subtle for you, right? Blazer, You apparently are relatively new here. * Allow me to clarify Harry's statements a bit. JohnH was drafted into the Army but continued his education leading to a commission. *He served honorably as a career Army officer including at least one tour (maybe more) in Vietnam. As you are probably aware the pay scale in the military isn't the highest in the world. *Certainly nowhere near the pay rates for even semi-skilled union workers in the auto industry. *However, JohnH chose to make the military a career. *Someone has to do it. When you retire from the military after a minimum of 20 years, you receive a small pension plus certain lifetime benefits for health care and use of military facilities, including recreational activities such as military owned golf courses, etc. * Not too different from benefits earned by retired union workers. However, in Harry's mind people like JohnH who earned these benefits while earning much less than his civilian counterparts, "spend their entire *life sucking on the taxpayers' teat. Harry never served in the military. Hopefully this helps you understand Harry a little more. Eisboch That clarifies a lot. Thank you. BTW. John doesn't toot his own horn, But *sort of will. He retired honorably *fromt he US Army with the rank of 0-5 which is Lieutenant Colonel (Lt.C). *And even with years of service,"O" *ranks are earned, not merely given away. No big whoop. Really. Neither is paying 35 and 25 years worth of union dues. I prefaced my remark by saying it had meaning for me and a couple of others here. I am sure, though, that it was tougher to get into my skilled tradesman union than it was to get into the army. I have a young cousin that is in the skilled carpenters union. he builds scaffolds in power plants and makes 28-30.00 USD per hr. and in many cases also gets a per diam. he had tt take a pee test, but no hard physical... didn't have to go through basic training, run miles, hike, go though any inspections. march anything like that. He bought his card.... |
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