On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:23:57 -0400, John H
wrote:

I get the 'access denied' when I try to click on the 'outboards'
section of the manuals and books page. No problem getting as far as
that though.

Yep. I suspect it's the same for everybody.
Except the dealers.
BTW, ebay might be a good place for shop manuals.
I have a set for all my cars. Paid anywhere from 20 to 50 bucks on
ebay for the 2-volume sets.
These are the same "factory" manuals the dealers use for servicing.
Big difference from the aftermarket books if you want to get into it.
Probably harder to get outboard manuals than Chevy manuals though.

--Vic

SteveB wrote:

Will get back to investigating this. It's just that I've seen OEM manuals
from $71 to $86! Maybe I can get a used one on ebay.
Advice? Clues?

It's interesting that the benchmark of what is a 'fair' price is what
the aftermarket manuals sell for. Once you see the real OEM one, you'll
have paid double what they're asking given what you get in value in return.

--
Regards,
Dave Brown
Brown's Marina Ltd
http://brownsmarina.com/

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SteveB wrote:

Will get back to investigating this. It's just that I've seen OEM
manuals from $71 to $86! Maybe I can get a used one on ebay.
Advice? Clues?

It's interesting that the benchmark of what is a 'fair' price is what the
aftermarket manuals sell for. Once you see the real OEM one, you'll have
paid double what they're asking given what you get in value in return.

--
Regards,
Dave Brown
Brown's Marina Ltd
http://brownsmarina.com/

My dad had Chilton's. A bunch of them. He was a master machinist, a hell
of a good mechanic, and he was a flight engineer in the USAC during WW2. I
used to just look through those like encyclopedias. I think that would be
the difference between a quality book and a el cheapo manual.

Steve

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SteveB wrote:

Will get back to investigating this. It's just that I've seen OEM
manuals from $71 to $86! Maybe I can get a used one on ebay.
Advice? Clues?

It's interesting that the benchmark of what is a 'fair' price is what the
aftermarket manuals sell for. Once you see the real OEM one, you'll have
paid double what they're asking given what you get in value in return.


Absolutely. There's the OEM manuals, and then there's everything else. A
comparison of the two isn't even possible.

On Mar 16, 9:01*am, "SteveB" wrote:
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SteveB wrote:

Will get back to investigating this. *It's just that I've seen OEM
manuals from $71 to $86! *Maybe I can get a used one on ebay.
Advice? *Clues?

It's interesting that the benchmark of what is a 'fair' price is what the
aftermarket manuals sell for. Once you see the real OEM one, you'll have
paid double what they're asking given what you get in value in return.

--
Regards,
* * *Dave Brown
* * *Brown's Marina Ltd
* * *http://brownsmarina.com/

My dad had Chilton's. *A bunch of them. *He was a master machinist, a hell
of a good mechanic, and he was a flight engineer in the USAC during WW2. *I
used to just look through those like encyclopedias. *I think that would be
the difference between a quality book and a el cheapo manual.

Steve

Same here, my uncle was an aviation machinist and mechanic in the Navy
during WW2. I have a lot of his old manuals for aircraft engines,
airframes, etc. I read them all of the time!

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:29:48 -0500, Dave Brown
wrote:

SteveB wrote:

Will get back to investigating this. It's just that I've seen OEM manuals
from $71 to $86! Maybe I can get a used one on ebay.
Advice? Clues?

It's interesting that the benchmark of what is a 'fair' price is what
the aftermarket manuals sell for. Once you see the real OEM one, you'll
have paid double what they're asking given what you get in value in return.

That's a true statement. My Yamaha manual cost in the neighborhood of
$85. I believe it was worth every penny.

Now, the price Yamaha gets for cotter pins is another story.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:03:11 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:33:43 -0400, John H
wrote:

That's a true statement. My Yamaha manual cost in the neighborhood of
$85. I believe it was worth every penny.

Now, the price Yamaha gets for cotter pins is another story.
--

For common hardware like that, think Ace Hardware. They have a lot of
stainless stuff.
One thing I found out is Yamaha/Mercury actually drills and taps the
holes deeper than the OEM screws so you have one more chance when one
strips out. Just go down to Ace and get the next longer bolt.
It saved me on my thermostat housing bolts.
The DEALER didn't use antisieze on one of my few visits. (one reason
that is a seldom thing)

Yes. Live and learn.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:03:11 -0500, wrote:

The DEALER didn't use antisieze on one of my few visits. (one reason
that is a seldom thing)

Make the ****er helicoil the holes. A Hasselblad comes with a helicoil
already in the tripod socket. It is much stronger than the plain hole.
Many racing engines have the helicoils in every hole.

Casady