Frogwatch wrote:
On Mar 18, 11:53 am, HK wrote:
mmc wrote:
HK must not have understood the book. It is really about "If I am
able to get mine, you will be able to get yours too", however, "It is
not my concern if you do not get yours if you are incompetent".
I saw an interview where this book was held up as a justification for the
pure greed displayed by the "business leaders" of the US that take huge
friggin bonuses for a job poorly done.
That, old friend, is something displayed prominently in corrupt communist
societies. Couple this with the loss of free thought and speech as well as
major corporations being so powerful that they cannot be challenged by the
government and we see the destruction of the American ideal.
If this greedy scum want to punish us by stepping down (as in the fictional
novel you're reading) from the jobs they have failed at, I say they'd be
doing America a great service.
http://www.oculture.com/2009/03/step..._rand_thinking....

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I realize that for a man who thinks Caroline Kennedy is intelligent,
some of the ideas in the book may be elusive. Perhaps is you wait
it'll come out in comic book form.



Please. I was laughing my way through Rand's book about 50 years ago.
The Fountainhead, by the way, was a bit better.

You might also be interested in some of the works of Theodore Dreiser,
especially his Trilogy of Desire. I read those in the seventh grade.
Much, much, much better writer than Rand, though still a bit turgid, and
his protagonist is a pre-Rand Rand-like character.

My mother, the Republican local committeewoman, got me to read Dreiser.
Fortunately, by the time I got to high school, I realized that the GOP
was heading down the path of absolute overly conservative bull****.



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Krausie wrote: "My mother, the Republican local committeewoman...."

And your father, wasn't he the largest boat dealer east of the Rockies?

GC Boater wrote:
Krausie wrote: "My mother, the Republican local committeewoman...."

And your father, wasn't he the largest boat dealer east of the Rockies?

And these successful, intelligent, pillars of the community sent their
offspring to Hillhouse High School? There's something about this story
that doesn't make sense.

On Mar 18, 10:11 pm, Jim wrote:
GC Boater wrote:
Krausie wrote: "My mother, the Republican local committeewoman...."

And your father, wasn't he the largest boat dealer east of the Rockies?

And these successful, intelligent, pillars of the community sent their
offspring to Hillhouse High School? There's something about this story
that doesn't make sense.

Using books as doorstops doesnt count as "reading"

On Mar 18, 9:11*pm, Jim wrote:
GC Boater wrote:
Krausie wrote: *"My mother, the Republican local committeewoman...."

And your father, wasn't he the largest boat dealer east of the Rockies?

And these successful, intelligent, pillars of the community sent their
offspring to Hillhouse High School? There's something about this story
that doesn't make sense.

But Jim, the parents made up for it by sending the child to Yale.

On Mar 17, 3:55*pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Mar 17, 3:56 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Mar 17, 3:19 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Mar 17, 12:50 pm, Dymphna
wrote:
I would like to read that book. My daughter just finished it and told me
there were scenes in it I would not approve of (I am very prudish).. But
it finally got her interested in politics, which is what the book is
about. It is about how Socialism takes over and she could see it. She
read it because of a scholarship that is being offered with an essay on
the book. But in the end I think it did her some good. (Do you know how
frustrating it is to be heavy into politics and have children who don't
care? ggggrrrrr!)
She did tell me the same thing you did about the first few hundred
pages - it was hard for her to get through that part and she reads like
the wind.
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Am about 250 pages into it, yes, there is sex but nothing explicit,
yet. *Some people might consider the main character and her lover to
be "amoral" yet they are true to their own moral code. *At first, the
idea that doing "good works" with no thought of personal gain is not
necessarily good seems odd but Rand seems intent on hammering the
theme that self interested works that happen to benefit others are
best.
The book will make you question "works of charity", for example, Rand
would probably not approve of giving aid to Africa with nothing in
return. *Experience shows she may be right.
Rand is the perfect metaphorical writer for today's GOP *"I've got mine,
I'm going to get yours, too, so **** you."
Read Ms. Rand in the seventh grade or so, both the fountainhead and
atlas shrugged. More turgid prose from a professional novelist i have
never encountered. * :)
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HK must not have understood the book. *It is really about "If I am
able to get mine, you will be able to get yours too", however, "It is
not my concern if you do not get yours if you are incompetent".
I understood the books. I also understand why you Republicans love them
so much...they back up your total lack of social conscience and
responsibility.

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Clearly HK did not understand the books because his ideas are totally
at odds with what Rand says in the book. *In fact, she specifically
says that a "purposeless life is sinful" and has contempt for a
character who is rich but does not do anything with his wealth but be
an idle playboy. *By contrast, she has admiration for the characters
who build things that enable others to prosper.
How would HK define "responsibility"? *Rand would define it to do
something that benefits onesself without being detrimental to others.
In general, she thinks that this enables others to benefit too.

Hehehe. Go build another abomination and leave the lit reviews to those
who understand what they read.

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Herr Krause. Is that the best response you can make when you have
nothing else worthy to contribute?

Or was that a debate tactic for your team at Drexel?

"HK" wrote in message
m...
mmc wrote:
HK must not have understood the book. It is really about "If I am
able to get mine, you will be able to get yours too", however, "It is
not my concern if you do not get yours if you are incompetent".

I saw an interview where this book was held up as a justification for the
pure greed displayed by the "business leaders" of the US that take huge
friggin bonuses for a job poorly done.
That, old friend, is something displayed prominently in corrupt communist
societies. Couple this with the loss of free thought and speech as well
as major corporations being so powerful that they cannot be challenged by
the government and we see the destruction of the American ideal.
If this greedy scum want to punish us by stepping down (as in the
fictional novel you're reading) from the jobs they have failed at, I say
they'd be doing America a great service.



http://www.oculture.com/2009/03/step..._thinking.html

Too funny. If I ever get to over 250k/year I'll bitch about the tax change
too. I'm pretty far from it and so, I'd bet, is the majority of this group
so I'll save the crocodile tears for something a little more worthy than the
top 5%.

mmc wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
mmc wrote:
HK must not have understood the book. It is really about "If I am
able to get mine, you will be able to get yours too", however, "It is
not my concern if you do not get yours if you are incompetent".
I saw an interview where this book was held up as a justification for the
pure greed displayed by the "business leaders" of the US that take huge
friggin bonuses for a job poorly done.
That, old friend, is something displayed prominently in corrupt communist
societies. Couple this with the loss of free thought and speech as well
as major corporations being so powerful that they cannot be challenged by
the government and we see the destruction of the American ideal.
If this greedy scum want to punish us by stepping down (as in the
fictional novel you're reading) from the jobs they have failed at, I say
they'd be doing America a great service.


http://www.oculture.com/2009/03/step..._thinking.html

Too funny. If I ever get to over 250k/year I'll bitch about the tax change
too. I'm pretty far from it and so, I'd bet, is the majority of this group
so I'll save the crocodile tears for something a little more worthy than the
top 5%.



No CEO is worth more than a reasonable multiple of the average salaried
worker at any company. A reasonable multiple is not 100 or 500 times.

I love it that the House has passed a confiscatory tax on the damned
retention and other bonuses the wall street/insurance/banking crooks are
paying themselves for failure. Out of our tax money. **** 'em.



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The morality police - the bloviating gas bags of the religious right -
have fallen lower than the stock market. It has truly been an amazing
(and amusing) thing to watch these so-called "spokesmen of Christ"
defending their morally indefensible positions these days. Finally -
they're going away. It seems an answer to a prayer. Thank you, Lord.

"HK" wrote in message
m...


I love it that the House has passed a confiscatory tax on the damned
retention and other bonuses the wall street/insurance/banking crooks are
paying themselves for failure. Out of our tax money. **** 'em.



I don't agree with the payment of the bonuses, but I am afraid the House
action could easily be overturned in a Court. What they are trying to do is
illegal in the eyes of many legal experts.

What went wrong was the conditions of the bailout deal to begin with.
Congress is as much to blame, if not more so, for stupidly rushing this deal
without thinking it though.
Worse, maybe they did.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...


I love it that the House has passed a confiscatory tax on the damned
retention and other bonuses the wall street/insurance/banking crooks
are paying themselves for failure. Out of our tax money. **** 'em.



I don't agree with the payment of the bonuses, but I am afraid the House
action could easily be overturned in a Court. What they are trying to
do is illegal in the eyes of many legal experts.

What went wrong was the conditions of the bailout deal to begin with.
Congress is as much to blame, if not more so, for stupidly rushing this
deal without thinking it though.
Worse, maybe they did.

Eisboch


Also turns out that some of the companies that received bailout funds
lied about their fed income taxes being paid. Now that, if true, will be
an offense worth slammer time. Hope they get it.


--
The morality police - the bloviating gas bags of the religious right -
have fallen lower than the stock market. It has truly been an amazing
(and amusing) thing to watch these so-called "spokesmen of Christ"
defending their morally indefensible positions these days. Finally -
they're going away. It seems an answer to a prayer. Thank you, Lord.