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Eisboch wrote:

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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.

-----------------------------------

I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of
the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over
end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.

Eisboch

Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.

************************************************** ***************************

mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in that
old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health & welfare of
others?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just like Harry! You'd better get yourself into your hermetically
sealed room so no danger can come about......
What an idiot!
You DO realize that a tire can catastrophically blow because of any
NUMBER of reasons besides a plug or patch, don't you? SO, YOU are
putting your family at risk every time you drive, even if it's a brand
new tire. I've seen it all. Bead rip off of a tire. Hit something like
a the piece of sheet steel I was talking about earlier. Tread
seperation (the LEADING cause of catastrophic tire failure), and on
and on. Therefore, if you drive a vehicle with mass produced tires,
the exact same questions could be asked of YOU.
-------------------------------------------------------------

The potential tire problems you list are correct, but does it make sense to
exacerbate the problem with a plug or patch in the side wall?

D.Duck wrote:
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On Mar 26, 9:03 am, "Don White" wrote:
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On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, HK wrote:





Eisboch wrote:
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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.
-----------------------------------
I'd say you were lucky.
Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.
The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of
the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over
end.
Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.
Eisboch
Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.
I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.

************************************************** ***************************

mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in that
old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health & welfare of
others?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just like Harry! You'd better get yourself into your hermetically
sealed room so no danger can come about......
What an idiot!
You DO realize that a tire can catastrophically blow because of any
NUMBER of reasons besides a plug or patch, don't you? SO, YOU are
putting your family at risk every time you drive, even if it's a brand
new tire. I've seen it all. Bead rip off of a tire. Hit something like
a the piece of sheet steel I was talking about earlier. Tread
seperation (the LEADING cause of catastrophic tire failure), and on
and on. Therefore, if you drive a vehicle with mass produced tires,
the exact same questions could be asked of YOU.
-------------------------------------------------------------

The potential tire problems you list are correct, but does it make sense to
exacerbate the problem with a plug or patch in the side wall?



It does to Loogy...he figures if his sidewall blows out and the
resulting accident ends up killing someone on the sidewalk or in another
car, well, they should have stayed at home, rather than take the risks
of being on the same road as he as.

Loogy is telling the world he is an irresponsible asshole, something, I
am sure, the world around him already knows.

On Mar 26, 10:45*am, "D.Duck" wrote:
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On Mar 26, 9:03 am, "Don White" wrote:





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On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:

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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.

-----------------------------------

I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of
the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over
end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.

Eisboch

Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.

************************************************** ****************************

mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in that
old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health & welfare of
others?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just like Harry! You'd better get yourself into your hermetically
sealed room so no danger can come about......
What an idiot!
You DO realize that a tire can catastrophically blow because of any
NUMBER of reasons besides a plug or patch, don't you? SO, YOU are
putting your family at risk every time you drive, even if it's a brand
new tire. I've seen it all. Bead rip off of a tire. Hit something like
a the piece of sheet steel I was talking about earlier. Tread
seperation (the LEADING cause of catastrophic tire failure), and on
and on. Therefore, if you drive a vehicle with mass produced tires,
the exact same questions could be asked of YOU.
-------------------------------------------------------------

The potential tire problems you list are correct, but does it make sense to
exacerbate the problem with a plug or patch in the side wall?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No more than you'd want to exacerbate the problem of the #1 reason for
catastrophic failure, tread seperation, by overloading, overheating,
under/over inflation, etc. If you subscribe to what you are saying
above, then you'd sure buy a lot of tires. Every time you see a
blemish, a piece of tread torn a little from a pebble, and on and
on......

On Mar 26, 11:00*am, HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
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On Mar 26, 9:03 am, "Don White" wrote:
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On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.
-----------------------------------
I'd say you were lucky.
Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.
The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of
the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over
end.
Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.
Eisboch
Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.
I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.

************************************************** ****************************

mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in that
old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health & welfare of
others?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just like Harry! You'd better get yourself into your hermetically
sealed room so no danger can come about......
What an idiot!
You DO realize that a tire can catastrophically blow because of any
NUMBER of reasons besides a plug or patch, don't you? SO, YOU are
putting your family at risk every time you drive, even if it's a brand
new tire. I've seen it all. Bead rip off of a tire. Hit something like
a the piece of sheet steel I was talking about earlier. Tread
seperation (the LEADING cause of catastrophic tire failure), and on
and on. Therefore, if you drive a vehicle with mass produced tires,
the exact same questions could be asked of YOU.
-------------------------------------------------------------

The potential tire problems you list are correct, but does it make sense to
exacerbate the problem with a plug or patch in the side wall?

It does to Loogy...he figures if his sidewall blows out and the
resulting accident ends up killing someone on the sidewalk or in another
car, well, they should have stayed at home, rather than take the risks
of being on the same road as he as.

Where did I say that, idiot? Using your idiot blather, one would have
to put a new set of tires on their vehicle every time they left the
driveway. And to think you've tried to tell people here you've got a
mechanical engineering degree!!!! Impossible. You're too scared to
make any mechanical decision.

Loogy is telling the world he is an irresponsible asshole, something, I
am sure, the world around him already knows.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, I'm telling the world that I understand tire makeup. Do you have
any data about catastrophic tire failure? Number one reason,
delamination (seperation). You'd better not drive, because you can't
usually tell that's going to happen until it does.

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On Mar 26, 10:45 am, "D.Duck" wrote:
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On Mar 26, 9:03 am, "Don White" wrote:





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On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I
can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using
them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.

-----------------------------------

I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal
because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with
the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire
itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of
the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over
end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.

Eisboch

Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells
readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.

************************************************** ****************************

mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in that
old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health & welfare
of
others?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just like Harry! You'd better get yourself into your hermetically
sealed room so no danger can come about......
What an idiot!
You DO realize that a tire can catastrophically blow because of any
NUMBER of reasons besides a plug or patch, don't you? SO, YOU are
putting your family at risk every time you drive, even if it's a brand
new tire. I've seen it all. Bead rip off of a tire. Hit something like
a the piece of sheet steel I was talking about earlier. Tread
seperation (the LEADING cause of catastrophic tire failure), and on
and on. Therefore, if you drive a vehicle with mass produced tires,
the exact same questions could be asked of YOU.
-------------------------------------------------------------

The potential tire problems you list are correct, but does it make sense
to
exacerbate the problem with a plug or patch in the side wall?- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

No more than you'd want to exacerbate the problem of the #1 reason for
catastrophic failure, tread seperation, by overloading, overheating,
under/over inflation, etc. If you subscribe to what you are saying
above, then you'd sure buy a lot of tires. Every time you see a
blemish, a piece of tread torn a little from a pebble, and on and
on......

==================================

I don't overload and I watch the tire inflation. The rest of your
*reasoning* doesn't make sense.
I do not intentionally do something to the tires that can cause a problem.

D.Duck wrote:
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On Mar 26, 10:45 am, "D.Duck" wrote:
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On Mar 26, 9:03 am, "Don White" wrote:





wrote in message
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On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...
I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I
can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using
them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.
-----------------------------------
I'd say you were lucky.
Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal
because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.
The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with
the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire
itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of
the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over
end.
Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.
Eisboch
Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells
readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.
I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.
************************************************** ****************************
mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in that
old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health & welfare
of
others?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Just like Harry! You'd better get yourself into your hermetically
sealed room so no danger can come about......
What an idiot!
You DO realize that a tire can catastrophically blow because of any
NUMBER of reasons besides a plug or patch, don't you? SO, YOU are
putting your family at risk every time you drive, even if it's a brand
new tire. I've seen it all. Bead rip off of a tire. Hit something like
a the piece of sheet steel I was talking about earlier. Tread
seperation (the LEADING cause of catastrophic tire failure), and on
and on. Therefore, if you drive a vehicle with mass produced tires,
the exact same questions could be asked of YOU.
-------------------------------------------------------------

The potential tire problems you list are correct, but does it make sense
to
exacerbate the problem with a plug or patch in the side wall?- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

No more than you'd want to exacerbate the problem of the #1 reason for
catastrophic failure, tread seperation, by overloading, overheating,
under/over inflation, etc. If you subscribe to what you are saying
above, then you'd sure buy a lot of tires. Every time you see a
blemish, a piece of tread torn a little from a pebble, and on and
on......

==================================

I don't overload and I watch the tire inflation. The rest of your
*reasoning* doesn't make sense.
I do not intentionally do something to the tires that can cause a problem.





You will soon tire of this *badinage* with Loogy, Ducky. But he won't. :)

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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I don't overload and I watch the tire inflation. The rest of your
*reasoning* doesn't make sense.
I do not intentionally do something to the tires that can cause a problem.




To me, tires are the most important part of a car. Anyone who has
experienced a blow out at highway speeds understands why. Tires are now
date coded and it is recommended that they be replaced no more than 6 years
from the date of manufacture, regardless of how much tread wear is left.

Tooling down the road at highway speeds knowing that you have a fault or
damage (plugged or not) to a side wall is like taking off for a cruise 30
miles offshore in your boat knowing that you have a serious leak somewhere
in the hull or have an engine that has been acting up. Just doesn't make
sense to me.

Eisboch

D.Duck wrote:
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On Mar 26, 1:08 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
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On Mar 26, 10:45 am, "D.Duck" wrote:





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On Mar 26, 9:03 am, "Don White" wrote:
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On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I
can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using
them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire
tread
wore out.
-----------------------------------
I'd say you were lucky.
Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal
because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.
The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with
the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire
itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength
of
the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end
over
end.
Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.
Eisboch
Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells
readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.
I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on
his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.
************************************************** *****************************
mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in
that
old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health &
welfare
of
others?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Just like Harry! You'd better get yourself into your hermetically
sealed room so no danger can come about......
What an idiot!
You DO realize that a tire can catastrophically blow because of any
NUMBER of reasons besides a plug or patch, don't you? SO, YOU are
putting your family at risk every time you drive, even if it's a brand
new tire. I've seen it all. Bead rip off of a tire. Hit something like
a the piece of sheet steel I was talking about earlier. Tread
seperation (the LEADING cause of catastrophic tire failure), and on
and on. Therefore, if you drive a vehicle with mass produced tires,
the exact same questions could be asked of YOU.
-------------------------------------------------------------
The potential tire problems you list are correct, but does it make sense
to
exacerbate the problem with a plug or patch in the side wall?- Hide
quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -
No more than you'd want to exacerbate the problem of the #1 reason for
catastrophic failure, tread seperation, by overloading, overheating,
under/over inflation, etc. If you subscribe to what you are saying
above, then you'd sure buy a lot of tires. Every time you see a
blemish, a piece of tread torn a little from a pebble, and on and
on......

==================================

I don't overload and I watch the tire inflation. The rest of your
*reasoning* doesn't make sense.
I do not intentionally do something to the tires that can cause a
problem.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And what do you do about tire seperation? That is the single most
reason for catastrophic tire failure.
Do you make sure that you don't drive on a surface that may have a
pothole, a failed bridge expansion joint, etc.? These are culprits,
too!

==================================

You win.....




snerk

On Mar 26, 8:29*am, wrote:
On Mar 26, 10:07*am, Tim wrote:

On Mar 24, 6:48*pm, Tim wrote:

huge front rolling in. It may rain for a couple days... *ugh* just
when it was starting to feel nice, too. Looks like "April showers" are
coming a bit soon.

Oh well.....

That's strange. The weather radars said there was going to be heavy
rain for the next two days, but it had quit about midnight, and
yesterday was sunny, then coudy and windy, then cleared off in the
evening. Today it's absolutly beautiful outside. No clouds, and no
heavy, lingering *jet vapor trails.

odd.

It's raining hard here, going to today, tomorrow and Saturday. Oh, and
Harry will like this, because of recent rains, and the lake being
down, the addition of good aerated water to Lanier has made the water
quality better than it's been in 15 years!!

Good! I'd say that with combinations ofvarious factors it's making an
improvement. Like when it was way low, it's possible that a lot of
oxygen sucking algae was killed off. So, I can see that would be an
improvement.

When ithe water was really low in several places it looked to me like
you could walk way out into the lake. Did anybody clean out any of the
old refrigerators, and boat motors off the bottom?

Tim wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:29 am, wrote:
On Mar 26, 10:07 am, Tim wrote:

On Mar 24, 6:48 pm, Tim wrote:
huge front rolling in. It may rain for a couple days... *ugh* just
when it was starting to feel nice, too. Looks like "April showers" are
coming a bit soon.
Oh well.....
That's strange. The weather radars said there was going to be heavy
rain for the next two days, but it had quit about midnight, and
yesterday was sunny, then coudy and windy, then cleared off in the
evening. Today it's absolutly beautiful outside. No clouds, and no
heavy, lingering jet vapor trails.
odd.
It's raining hard here, going to today, tomorrow and Saturday. Oh, and
Harry will like this, because of recent rains, and the lake being
down, the addition of good aerated water to Lanier has made the water
quality better than it's been in 15 years!!

Good! I'd say that with combinations ofvarious factors it's making an
improvement. Like when it was way low, it's possible that a lot of
oxygen sucking algae was killed off. So, I can see that would be an
improvement.

When ithe water was really low in several places it looked to me like
you could walk way out into the lake. Did anybody clean out any of the
old refrigerators, and boat motors off the bottom?


And the bodies.