"thunder" wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 20:55:28 -0400, Eisboch wrote:



The primary objective right now is to save the civilian hostage if at
all possible.
Once accomplished, it will be time to minimize future occurrences.

Something that seems to be overlooked here, historically, the Somali
pirates have taken great pains to avoid killing their hostages. They
seem to take a "businesslike" approach to piracy. It's about the
ransom. On the other hand, in the Straits of Malacca, piracy is about
the cargo or ship. Crews regularly go "missing" overboard.


It is a business and dead hostages aren't worth anything.

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:26:00 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Canuck57" wrote in message
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We need to get tougher to deal with this. Should have just been a nuke,
one each for Iraq and Afganistan. Over in 30 minutes.


Does Canada have nukes?

Serious question. I don't know the answer.

Eisboch

There are some folks in Canada with some sense. As Canada has no need
for nukes, it most likely leaves them up to us to provide if and when.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Apr 11, 5:41 pm, "Canuck57" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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We need to get tougher to deal with this. Should have just been a nuke,
one each for Iraq and Afganistan. Over in 30 minutes.

Does Canada have nukes?

Serious question. I don't know the answer.

Not officially. But officially we have uranium, mines and partial
refinement capabilities to make them

If we have them, they would be US made and supplied. Some rumours fly
around here and there. My guess is they could be moved from the Dakota's
to
Cold Lake in no time.... if they already are not there.

The question is what is a desireable outcome here.

If you say freeing the hostages.......WRONG. A desireable outcome is
to minimize future occurences. This may be entirely different from
saving the hostages and not recognizing this fact will result in many
more deaths. Obama is not capable of understanding this. Paying
ransom is morally wrong because it results in more hostages being
taken. Thus, the actiuons of the rest of the world to this point have
been both morally and logically wrong and have brought us to this
point.
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Take a page from Isreal, nice to get hostages back but making damn sure they
can't do it again, and again is paramount to success.

Kill them dead while in the act.

Now we are going to start the Obama $1M at a time multi-billion doolar fund
for Somalia bailout plan? What a joke. I hope the president wasn't really
serious of reducing the demands to $1M dollars? Was this for real? If so,
USA has a real problem, and it is at home. OMG, I can't believe that.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
news

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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The question is what is a desireable outcome here.

If you say freeing the hostages.......WRONG. A desireable outcome is
to minimize future occurences. This may be entirely different from
saving the hostages and not recognizing this fact will result in many
more deaths. Obama is not capable of understanding this. Paying
ransom is morally wrong because it results in more hostages being
taken. Thus, the actiuons of the rest of the world to this point have
been both morally and logically wrong and have brought us to this
point.

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I would say that certainly a desirable outcome is to minimize future
occurrences, however......

Agreed, and dead pirate/terrorists never repeat their offences.

Our culture values life. The purpose of law enforcement and the military
is to protect and secure civilian life. There have been many examples of
police, firefighters and military sacrificing more than one casualty or
fatality in the effort to save one civilian life.

These are not civilians. They are terrorist/pirates, they have killed, they
will kill and they hold people/civilians ransom including property. You
even can watch them do it.

That is like I can call the police, I am going to rob a bank and rape a
teller, and they stand by and watch while I do it. Then let me go witha
million dollars.

Give me a break. Our leadership is pathetic.

The primary objective right now is to save the civilian hostage if at all
possible.
Once accomplished, it will be time to minimize future occurrences.

But letting them go or getting them money is not an option.

"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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The question is what is a desireable outcome here.

If you say freeing the hostages.......WRONG. A desireable outcome is
to minimize future occurences. This may be entirely different from
saving the hostages and not recognizing this fact will result in many
more deaths. Obama is not capable of understanding this. Paying
ransom is morally wrong because it results in more hostages being
taken. Thus, the actiuons of the rest of the world to this point have
been both morally and logically wrong and have brought us to this
point.

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I would say that certainly a desirable outcome is to minimize future
occurrences, however......

Our culture values life. The purpose of law enforcement and the military
is to protect and secure civilian life. There have been many examples of
police, firefighters and military sacrificing more than one casualty or
fatality in the effort to save one civilian life.

The primary objective right now is to save the civilian hostage if at all
possible.
Once accomplished, it will be time to minimize future occurrences.

Eisboch


Only a complete asshole would think it ok to sacrifice the ship's captain,
especially after he exchanged himself to further the safety of this crew.

Try yes, most certainly they should try to save the captain. No question
there.

But letting them go is absolutely stupid.

I wonder how long it takes for a decent navy seal pair to pop out of the
water and empty a 9mm into some 4 or 5 pirates weak from no fresh water or
food? Can't be that tough.

"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:29:14 -0700, Frogwatch wrote:


Saving the hostage should be secondary to minimizing future incidents.
I do not see any way out of that and I dont think you can either.

In another forum, I just read *the* solution. Instead of tracking down
and killing these pirates, we should track down and kill anyone who has
paid ransom to these pirates. Case closed, no profit, no piracy.

Actually, a good idea. Make it illegal to pay ransom.

"HK" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:29:14 -0700, Frogwatch wrote:


Saving the hostage should be secondary to minimizing future incidents. I
do not see any way out of that and I dont think you can either.

In another forum, I just read *the* solution. Instead of tracking down
and killing these pirates, we should track down and kill anyone who has
paid ransom to these pirates. Case closed, no profit, no piracy.

What? Kill corporate execs? That would be so...unAmerican. :)

Who knows, maybe the corporate execs get a cut?

Canuck57 wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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The question is what is a desireable outcome here.

If you say freeing the hostages.......WRONG. A desireable outcome is
to minimize future occurences. This may be entirely different from
saving the hostages and not recognizing this fact will result in many
more deaths. Obama is not capable of understanding this. Paying
ransom is morally wrong because it results in more hostages being
taken. Thus, the actiuons of the rest of the world to this point have
been both morally and logically wrong and have brought us to this
point.

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I would say that certainly a desirable outcome is to minimize future
occurrences, however......

Our culture values life. The purpose of law enforcement and the military
is to protect and secure civilian life. There have been many examples of
police, firefighters and military sacrificing more than one casualty or
fatality in the effort to save one civilian life.

The primary objective right now is to save the civilian hostage if at all
possible.
Once accomplished, it will be time to minimize future occurrences.

Eisboch

Only a complete asshole would think it ok to sacrifice the ship's captain,
especially after he exchanged himself to further the safety of this crew.

Try yes, most certainly they should try to save the captain. No question
there.

But letting them go is absolutely stupid.

I wonder how long it takes for a decent navy seal pair to pop out of the
water and empty a 9mm into some 4 or 5 pirates weak from no fresh water or
food? Can't be that tough.



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"Canuck57" wrote


Give me a break. Our leadership is pathetic.


pot ........... kettle

"HK" wrote


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