On Apr 11, 9:20*pm, Richard Casady

Actually, even handguns are a no no most places. A fifty is not a
small arm.

Casady

in fact, a ma-duce (M-2) isn't classified as a "machine gun" By the
BATF, it is classified as a "destructive device"

And justifiably so...

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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:23:34 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Now they have attacked a US owned tug that was towing a barge or
something.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/..._af/piracy_152

Eisboch
I cannot understand why these ships don't have .50 cals on the bow and
stern. The damn things will reach out and touch someone a mile away.

I have to concur. If a 28 foot boat is coming at a freighter, I can't
see why they can't just blow them right out of the water and just make a
log entry. If I was the captian, I wouldn't even stop even if I saw them
swiming. Helping good people on the high seas is one thing, rescuing a
pirate is best left to the sharks.

Maybe even put the US satelites to good use, and forward them that boats
are leaving dock and intercept them with prejudice. Why take the time,
risk and effort on these pirates? After it is know that they will be
routinely shot up, they will cease.


Merchant ships are not usually armed. Apparently you and your
crap-for-brains buddy, Herring, aren't aware of that.

Patrolling the seas is a job for the navies and coast guards of the world,
not the merchant ships.

The world is a bit too complex for simpletons like you and Herring.



For years merchant ships were armed. Cannons. Problems with Pirates and
Privateers. Seems as if we need to regress to arming them again.

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On Apr 11, 9:20 pm, Richard Casady

Actually, even handguns are a no no most places. A fifty is not a
small arm.

Casady

in fact, a ma-duce (M-2) isn't classified as a "machine gun" By the
BATF, it is classified as a "destructive device"

And justifiably so...


All machine gun are a "Destructive Device" according to the ATF rules.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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For years merchant ships were armed. Cannons. Problems with Pirates and
Privateers. Seems as if we need to regress to arming them again.


They weren't carrying millions of gallons of flammable cargo.
Somewhere I was reading that even the coal carriers had to be very careful
with firearms due to the coal dust.

Wooden warships had to be careful also. It was interesting taking the tour
of the USS Constitution in Boston. When they went to battle stations, one
of the crew's jobs was to man the manually operated bilge pumps and pump
water up to cover the two gun decks to prevent them from catching fire due
to spilled powder around the cannons.

Eisboch

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:20:00 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:33:24 -0400, John H
wrote:

I heard that also. Here. I've never heard that small arms used for
protection were not allowed aboard ships in port. A .50 cal can be put
in a locked wall locker when in port. What horse****.

Actually, even handguns are a no no most places. A fifty is not a
small arm.

Casady

Sounds like a good place to have a .50 Cal rental business. Anchor
offshore, rent out the baby cannons, have another boat on the southern
end waiting to pick 'em up.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:42:23 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 11, 9:20*pm, Richard Casady

Actually, even handguns are a no no most places. A fifty is not a
small arm.

Casady

in fact, a ma-duce (M-2) isn't classified as a "machine gun" By the
BATF, it is classified as a "destructive device"

And justifiably so...

Yeah, but they're sure fun to shoot, and you know it!
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:33:24 -0400, John H
wrote:

I heard that also. Here. I've never heard that small arms used for
protection were not allowed aboard ships in port. A .50 cal can be put
in a locked wall locker when in port. What horse****.

Actually, even handguns are a no no most places. A fifty is not a
small arm.

Casady

How about a cross bow and tear gas? Drop in into the boat, and there are
arrow tips that will do at least as much damage as a magnum 45.

But I guess I couldn't be a Captian, I would fight. Makes me wonder if some
of this isn't staged for insurance money.

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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:15:09 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

in fact, a ma-duce (M-2) isn't classified as a "machine gun" By the
BATF, it is classified as a "destructive device"

You are going to have to cite that.
"Destructive devices" start at over .5" bore and M2s are listed in the
machine gun registry.
I know someone here in Ft Myers who has one and there was one for sale
on subguns.com last year. (actually a nice piece, the "Pearl Harbor"
movie water cooled model)

I understand you have to get a Federal Destructive Weapons Permit for any
fully auto gun. They are considered Title II weapons, along with silencers,
Short Barrel shotguns.

On Apr 12, 11:29*am, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:15:09 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:
in fact, a ma-duce (M-2) isn't classified as a "machine gun" By the
BATF, it is classified as a "destructive device"

You are going to have to cite that.
"Destructive devices" start at over .5" bore and M2s are listed in the
machine gun registry.
I know someone here in Ft Myers who has one and there was one for sale
on subguns.com last year. (actually a nice piece, the "Pearl Harbor"
movie water cooled model)

Here's what I was agreeing with:

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/top...l_Firearms_Act

5. Destructive Devices (DDs) - there are two broad classes of
destructive devices. The first contains devices such as grenades,
bombs, poison gas weapons, etc. The second contains any non-sporting
firearm with a bore over 0.50" (many firearms with bores over 0.50",
such as 12-gauge shotguns, are exempted from the law because they have
been determined to have a legitimate sporting use).

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:22:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 12, 11:29*am, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:15:09 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:
in fact, a ma-duce (M-2) isn't classified as a "machine gun" By the
BATF, it is classified as a "destructive device"

You are going to have to cite that.
"Destructive devices" start at over .5" bore and M2s are listed in the
machine gun registry.
I know someone here in Ft Myers who has one and there was one for sale
on subguns.com last year. (actually a nice piece, the "Pearl Harbor"
movie water cooled model)

Here's what I was agreeing with:

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/top...l_Firearms_Act

5. Destructive Devices (DDs) - there are two broad classes of
destructive devices. The first contains devices such as grenades,
bombs, poison gas weapons, etc. The second contains any non-sporting
firearm with a bore over 0.50" (many firearms with bores over 0.50",
such as 12-gauge shotguns, are exempted from the law because they have
been determined to have a legitimate sporting use).

Wouldn't the 'over 0,50" ' exclude the .50 calibre?
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson