On Apr 14, 12:44*am, jps wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:59:44 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Apr 13, 11:24*pm, jps wrote:

I does take a different set of skills to thrive in the city but it
doesn't mean that you cannot also be skilled at crafts.

Crafts? And which did you find the easiest to work with under
stressful times?

http://www.true-town.com/category/jenna/crafts/

If you prefer to call them trades, by all means do. *I build all kinds
of things, do plumbing, electrical, flooring. *I don't install
sheetrock, tape or mud since it's a lot of work and a skill that's
best done by a pro.

We gutted our'60s kitchen and rebuilt with new cabinets, granite and
oak flooring, demo'd and refinished 800 sq. ft of basement, ripped off
ugly 50s siding to expose the original 1923 clapboard, sanded,
replaced bad sections, *recaulked and painted. *Rebuilt a 150 sq ft
second story deck from scratch. *

I do my own gardening including summer vegatables. *This summer I'm
rebuilding our garage.

Do you knit, sew or crochet?

Why yes. Yes I do, I do a lot of this:

http://www.impgroup.com/en/home/indu...facturing.aspx

jps wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:05:07 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:24:12 -0400, John H
wrote:

Why the big difference? Some great pictures. Be sure to scroll down
the page. Oh, and some good questions also.

http://tinyurl.com/boebj5
There is another perspective to this. The difference between city
people and country people. The black folks who lived out in the bayou
didn't riot, panic or complain about FEMA either.
I really believe a hurricane hitting ANY big city will be a disaster
of apocalyptic proportions. New York City leaps to mind.
Country people do tend to be a lot more self reliant, no matter how
much melanin they have in their skin..

But not exclusive to the country. There are a percentage of those who
live in the city who can take care of their own, and not because they
grew up in the country.

I does take a different set of skills to thrive in the city but it
doesn't mean that you cannot also be skilled at crafts.


*Interesting* that you use the word crafts, since it is also the word
many top-end construction trades use to describe their skill sets. The
etymology for that comes out of the craft guilds of the Middle Ages, as
does the word journeyman, which in those days was a young man who
completed an apprenticeship and set off, literally, on a journey through
his parts of Europe to pick up even more skills from craftworkers in
other cities.


--
"John H" wrote in message
...

Please note that Interstate 90 will be closed this weekend across
South Dakota. This closure will allow the Federal Government free
access to haul a 200 ton piece of coal to Mt. Rushmore so that
President Obama can be added to the Presidents on the monument.
--
John H

--

John Herring, rec.boat's resident racist.

On Apr 13, 7:44*pm, jps wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:31:57 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch





wrote:
On Apr 13, 6:47*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message

...

"Don White" wrote in message
.. .

"John H" wrote in message
. ..
Why the big difference? Some great pictures. Be sure to scroll down
the page. Oh, and some good questions also.

http://tinyurl.com/boebj5

--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

We get it Johnny.
You feel that black people demand and get special treatment.
You'd better find a hobby or distraction... you're being consumed by this
hate.

You racist pig. *There was nothing said about black people. *The comment
was about self reliance. *Lots of white people in NOLA area with their
hand out also.

Stick to your drinking and bad grammer Kalif Swill.
Everyone with half a brain knows exactly what Johnny is up to.

As far as *can see it is HK who is racist assuming that blacks cannot
be self reliant *This is in accord with lefties always treating black
people as less than human.
I would like to know how the two situations differ in "everything that
mattered".
HK has shown his true racism.

I'm sorry, I must have missed the post where Harry said that blacks
were incapable of self-reliance.

I suspect you're putting words in his mouth.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Harry equated blacks with the NOLA disaster. The Katrina/NOLA disaster
was in fact handled without much self reliance.

On Apr 14, 6:28*am, HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:05:07 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:24:12 -0400, John H
wrote:

Why the big difference? Some great pictures. Be sure to scroll down
the page. Oh, and some good questions also.

http://tinyurl.com/boebj5
There is another perspective to this. The difference between city
people and country people. The black folks who lived out in the bayou
didn't riot, panic or complain about *FEMA either.
I really believe a hurricane hitting ANY big city will be a disaster
of apocalyptic proportions. New York City leaps to mind.
Country people do tend to be a lot more self reliant, no matter how
much melanin they have in their skin..

But not exclusive to the country. *There are a percentage of those who
live in the city who can take care of their own, and not because they
grew up in the country.

I does take a different set of skills to thrive in the city but it
doesn't mean that you cannot also be skilled at crafts.

*Interesting* that you use the word crafts, since it is also the word
many top-end construction trades use to describe their skill sets. The
etymology for that comes out of the craft guilds of the Middle Ages, as
does the word journeyman, which in those days was a young man who
completed an apprenticeship and set off, literally, on a journey through
his parts of Europe to pick up even more skills from craftworkers in
other cities.

Bull****. I've been in the construction industry all of my life. I'm
not sure if I ever heard anyone use the word "craft". They MAY once in
a great while, use the word "craftsman" when describing someone who's
done an excellent job.
This lie rates rate up there with the whopper you told about an outfit
site building a spiral staircase, including bending the rails! Nothing
short of a lie. Anything that can be fabricated in shop is done so to
save money. We even try to design things to do most of the welding in
shop.

jps wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:31:57 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Apr 13, 6:47 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message

...





"Don White" wrote in message
...
"John H" wrote in message
...
Why the big difference? Some great pictures. Be sure to scroll down
the page. Oh, and some good questions also.
http://tinyurl.com/boebj5
--
John H
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson
We get it Johnny.
You feel that black people demand and get special treatment.
You'd better find a hobby or distraction... you're being consumed by this
hate.
You racist pig. There was nothing said about black people. The comment
was about self reliance. Lots of white people in NOLA area with their
hand out also.
Stick to your drinking and bad grammer Kalif Swill.
Everyone with half a brain knows exactly what Johnny is up to.
As far as can see it is HK who is racist assuming that blacks cannot
be self reliant This is in accord with lefties always treating black
people as less than human.
I would like to know how the two situations differ in "everything that
mattered".
HK has shown his true racism.

I'm sorry, I must have missed the post where Harry said that blacks
were incapable of self-reliance.

I suspect you're putting words in his mouth.



He's trying, that's for sure. I neither said nor implied that blacks
were incapable of self-reliance. What I did say/imply is that Herring
used a typically right-wing racist site to try to imply that the whites
up north were "more capable" than the blacks down south in handling a
flood. It was typical simple-minded, right-wing, "we're better than they
are" bull****.





--
"John H" wrote in message
...

Please note that Interstate 90 will be closed this weekend across
South Dakota. This closure will allow the Federal Government free
access to haul a 200 ton piece of coal to Mt. Rushmore so that
President Obama can be added to the Presidents on the monument.
--
John H

--

John Herring, rec.boat's resident racist.

(Tip of the hat to Don, who reposted this gem so I could see it.)

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:26:51 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:34:24 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:48:17 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:24:32 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:05:07 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:24:12 -0400, John H
wrote:

Why the big difference? Some great pictures. Be sure to scroll down
the page. Oh, and some good questions also.

http://tinyurl.com/boebj5

There is another perspective to this. The difference between city
people and country people. The black folks who lived out in the bayou
didn't riot, panic or complain about FEMA either.
I really believe a hurricane hitting ANY big city will be a disaster
of apocalyptic proportions. New York City leaps to mind.
Country people do tend to be a lot more self reliant, no matter how
much melanin they have in their skin..

But not exclusive to the country. There are a percentage of those who
live in the city who can take care of their own, and not because they
grew up in the country.

I does take a different set of skills to thrive in the city but it
doesn't mean that you cannot also be skilled at crafts.

People in cities will still have the problem of not having the tools
and resources. They are more dependent on municipal services and the
population density makes a local problem far more serious. If nothing
else you have a lot of people trying to stand on the same point of
high ground.
Just one small case that is on point, few city folks own a boat, at
least one they can easily get to. In my neighborhood of about 90
doors, we had 81 boats (ranging from Jet skis and jon boats to 30+
foot offshore boats) the last time I did a count.

Seattle's per capita boat ownership is very high -- part of the local
culture, heritage and given the regional surroundings but fuel prices
and the economy have certainly taken a toll.

Lots of folks here, while urbanites, take pride in looking after their
own property. Probably less so within city limits than the
surrounding areas. Over the years I've invested in a serious table
saw, band saw, portable planer, a couple of routers and table, several
circular saws, grinders, reciprocal saw, a siding sander, jig saw,
polisher for fiberglass, several drills and drivers, a compressor, air
tools and nailers and a top and bottom roll away and large pegboard
full of mechanical and woodworking hand tools. I see people at the
local hardware stores making similar investments although the tools at
the big box Lowes and Home Depot are always looking to be built
cheaper. I buy old, well built stuff off of craigslist more than new.
I turned wrenches for a while as a kid in Los Angeles so I got to know
the inside of the Snap On truck pretty well. They got a good
percentage of my paycheck.

Always did my own maintenance and upgrades on the boat. That's part
of the bliss of boat ownership from my perspective. Cruising is just
working on your boat in exotic places.

I suspect you are talking about the suburbs of Seattle, not the folks
in multifamily dwellings downtown.

I'm 5 minutes from downtown and there are no multifamily dwellings
downtown. Downtown dwellings are mostly for the wealthy and singles.

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:28:18 -0400, HK wrote:

jps wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:05:07 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:24:12 -0400, John H
wrote:

Why the big difference? Some great pictures. Be sure to scroll down
the page. Oh, and some good questions also.

http://tinyurl.com/boebj5
There is another perspective to this. The difference between city
people and country people. The black folks who lived out in the bayou
didn't riot, panic or complain about FEMA either.
I really believe a hurricane hitting ANY big city will be a disaster
of apocalyptic proportions. New York City leaps to mind.
Country people do tend to be a lot more self reliant, no matter how
much melanin they have in their skin..

But not exclusive to the country. There are a percentage of those who
live in the city who can take care of their own, and not because they
grew up in the country.

I does take a different set of skills to thrive in the city but it
doesn't mean that you cannot also be skilled at crafts.


*Interesting* that you use the word crafts, since it is also the word
many top-end construction trades use to describe their skill sets. The
etymology for that comes out of the craft guilds of the Middle Ages, as
does the word journeyman, which in those days was a young man who
completed an apprenticeship and set off, literally, on a journey through
his parts of Europe to pick up even more skills from craftworkers in
other cities.

Mr. Netweaver understands what "craft" is, he just doesn't like my
politics and wanted to affix a "light on the feet" attribution to me.

Crafts are what's disappearing in America and it's a sad state of
affairs. Even when I turned wrenches as a kid, there were those who
truly understood a mechanism and those who replaced parts. The ratio
is going the wrong direction.

I'm truly in bliss when fashioning something out of scrap materials to
solve a problem.

jps wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:28:18 -0400, HK wrote:


*Interesting* that you use the word crafts, since it is also the word
many top-end construction trades use to describe their skill sets. The
etymology for that comes out of the craft guilds of the Middle Ages, as
does the word journeyman, which in those days was a young man who
completed an apprenticeship and set off, literally, on a journey through
his parts of Europe to pick up even more skills from craftworkers in
other cities.

Mr. Netweaver understands what "craft" is, he just doesn't like my
politics and wanted to affix a "light on the feet" attribution to me.

Crafts are what's disappearing in America and it's a sad state of
affairs. Even when I turned wrenches as a kid, there were those who
truly understood a mechanism and those who replaced parts. The ratio
is going the wrong direction.

I'm truly in bliss when fashioning something out of scrap materials to
solve a problem.


Several of the high-skill construction unions sponsor annual craft
awards programs each year at the local and international level, and one
such union actually changed its name some years ago to incorporate the
term "craftworkers" I've been to a couple of "craftworker" expositions
and fairs, either held as separate events or incorporated into other
expositions. Recognition of the "craft" is important to workers with
finely honed skillsets.



Looking for a right-wing racist? Here's one:
--
"John H" wrote in message
...

Please note that Interstate 90 will be closed this weekend across
South Dakota. This closure will allow the Federal Government free
access to haul a 200 ton piece of coal to Mt. Rushmore so that
President Obama can be added to the Presidents on the monument.
--
John H

--

John Herring, rec.boat's resident racist.

On Apr 14, 1:48*pm, HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:28:18 -0400, HK wrote:

*Interesting* that you use the word crafts, since it is also the word
many top-end construction trades use to describe their skill sets. The
etymology for that comes out of the craft guilds of the Middle Ages, as
does the word journeyman, which in those days was a young man who
completed an apprenticeship and set off, literally, on a journey through
his parts of Europe to pick up even more skills from craftworkers in
other cities.

Mr. Netweaver understands what "craft" is, he just doesn't like my
politics and wanted to affix a "light on the feet" attribution to me.

Crafts are what's disappearing in America and it's a sad state of
affairs. *Even when I turned wrenches as a kid, there were those who
truly understood a mechanism and those who replaced parts. *The ratio
is going the wrong direction.

I'm truly in bliss when fashioning something out of scrap materials to
solve a problem.

Several of the high-skill construction unions sponsor annual craft
awards programs each year at the local and international level, and one
such union actually changed its name some years ago to incorporate the
term "craftworkers" I've been to a couple of "craftworker" expositions
and fairs, either held as separate events or incorporated into other
expositions. Recognition of the "craft" is important to workers with
finely honed skillsets.


Bull****. Show us, liar. Any skilled tradesman I know would kick your
ass for calling him a "craftworker".