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Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:42:17 -0700, jps wrote:

They concentrated on SUVs and Trucks until it went bust wihle others
who saw the 1000 point writing on the wall designed more efficient
vehicles.

The Ford F-150 pickup truck has been the best selling vehicle in the
country for about thirty years. Ford didn't make people buy them.

We buy them because we like them. When you get in a crash in them you
survive, unlike a Mini-Cooper, Honda Fit, Chevy Volt or other tiny econo
box.

Overheard at the wake...
...he got great mileage up until the day that semi ran him over.

As if your F150 would survive a head-on with an 18 wheeler.

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On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:50:59 -0400, "Eisboch"
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On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:16:42 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:57:34 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:42:17 -0700, jps wrote:

They concentrated on SUVs and Trucks until it went bust wihle others
who saw the 1000 point writing on the wall designed more efficient
vehicles.

The Ford F-150 pickup truck has been the best selling vehicle in the
country for about thirty years. Ford didn't make people buy them.

Casady

If they'd have stuck with the F150, Ford would be in fine shape. But
they're not in trouble for building F150's are they?

And you knew that.

The F150 and E150 are still their bread and butter. They dress up that
chassis to make the luxury SUVs and fancy vans but they are still
F150s when you look under the skin.
This old truck is still doing fine for me (1985)
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Brownie.jpg

It's amazing how many of the F-150s of that era are still on the road and
run well.
Cars of that vintage didn't, due to all the emission control stuff, but
trucks were exempt and as a result run well and long.

Eisboch

F150s are half ton, you had to be over a ton to get the exemption.
This has the air pump and the cat converter.
Emission control really became a non-issue in the 80s when they
started using electronic fuel and spark management systems. The bad
reputation came from the 70s vehicles that were just adding emission
control devices to old technology engines.

Your right. I am a decade off.
I used to have a '87 Ford F-150 with the 300ci six. It was a great truck
and very reliable.

Eisboch

That is what this one has. 180 k miles.
The only problem we had with it was it was a northern truck that moved
south and it overheated when I was pulling my boat. From my experience
with an E150 I knew the fix was a 3 core radiator instead of the
standard 2 core. I found a guy who paid me $50 for the old 2 core so
it wasn't that big a deal.
This is our spare vehicle, only used for hauling stuff and moving the
boat. Like my old E150, everyone I know has borrowed it for something.

I have a 1967 Chevy C-20 with a 327 and a dump bed. Three speed
column shift had a seizure 10 years ago so I cut a hole in the floor
and installed a hurst shift kit. Three on the floor. Truck looks
like crap but runs like a champ and does whatever I need.

I keep the old shift lever on the dash board just in case I need to
disarm a rabid gun owner.

On Apr 30, 10:53*pm, jps wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:13:52 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:50:59 -0400, "Eisboch"
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On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:14:31 -0400, "Eisboch"
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On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:16:42 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:57:34 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:42:17 -0700, jps wrote:

They concentrated on SUVs and Trucks until it went bust wihle others
who saw the 1000 point writing on the wall designed more efficient
vehicles.

The Ford F-150 pickup truck has been the best selling vehicle in the
country for about thirty years. Ford didn't make people buy them.

Casady

If they'd have stuck with the F150, Ford would be in fine shape. *But
they're not in trouble for building F150's are they?

And you knew that.

The F150 and E150 are still their bread and butter. They dress up that
chassis to make the luxury SUVs and fancy vans but they are still
F150s when you look under the skin.
This old truck is still doing fine for me (1985)
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Brownie.jpg

It's amazing how many of the F-150s of that era are still on the road and
run well.
Cars of that vintage didn't, due to all the emission control stuff, but
trucks were exempt and as a result run well and long.

Eisboch

F150s are half ton, you had to be over a ton to get the exemption.
This has the air pump and the cat converter.
Emission control really became a non-issue in the 80s when they
started using electronic fuel and spark management systems. The bad
reputation came from the 70s vehicles that were just adding emission
control devices to old technology engines.

Your right. *I am a decade off.
I used to have a '87 Ford F-150 with the 300ci six. * *It was a great truck
and very reliable.

Eisboch

That is what this one has. 180 k miles.
The only problem we had with it was it was a northern truck that moved
south and it overheated when I was pulling my boat. From my experience
with an E150 I knew the fix was a 3 core radiator instead of the
standard 2 core. I found a guy who paid me $50 for the old 2 core so
it wasn't that big a deal.
This is our spare vehicle, only used for hauling stuff and moving the
boat. Like my old E150, everyone I know has borrowed it for something.

I have a 1967 Chevy C-20 with a 327 and a dump bed. *Three speed
column shift had a seizure 10 years ago so I cut a hole in the floor
and installed a hurst shift kit. *Three on the floor. *Truck looks
like crap but runs like a champ and does whatever I need.

I keep the old shift lever on the dash board just in case I need to
disarm a rabid gun owner.

I didn't know there was such a thing as a "rabid" gun.

Don't you mean "Rabbit gun?"
You know, like the one this hunter is toting?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKPOh...eature=related

On May 1, 12:01*am, Tim wrote:
On Apr 30, 10:53*pm, jps wrote:



On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:13:52 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:50:59 -0400, "Eisboch"
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On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:14:31 -0400, "Eisboch"
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On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:16:42 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:57:34 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:42:17 -0700, jps wrote:

They concentrated on SUVs and Trucks until it went bust wihle others
who saw the 1000 point writing on the wall designed more efficient
vehicles.

The Ford F-150 pickup truck has been the best selling vehicle in the
country for about thirty years. Ford didn't make people buy them..

Casady

If they'd have stuck with the F150, Ford would be in fine shape. *But
they're not in trouble for building F150's are they?

And you knew that.

The F150 and E150 are still their bread and butter. They dress up that
chassis to make the luxury SUVs and fancy vans but they are still
F150s when you look under the skin.
This old truck is still doing fine for me (1985)
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Brownie.jpg

It's amazing how many of the F-150s of that era are still on the road and
run well.
Cars of that vintage didn't, due to all the emission control stuff, but
trucks were exempt and as a result run well and long.

Eisboch

F150s are half ton, you had to be over a ton to get the exemption.
This has the air pump and the cat converter.
Emission control really became a non-issue in the 80s when they
started using electronic fuel and spark management systems. The bad
reputation came from the 70s vehicles that were just adding emission
control devices to old technology engines.

Your right. *I am a decade off.
I used to have a '87 Ford F-150 with the 300ci six. * *It was a great truck
and very reliable.

Eisboch

That is what this one has. 180 k miles.
The only problem we had with it was it was a northern truck that moved
south and it overheated when I was pulling my boat. From my experience
with an E150 I knew the fix was a 3 core radiator instead of the
standard 2 core. I found a guy who paid me $50 for the old 2 core so
it wasn't that big a deal.
This is our spare vehicle, only used for hauling stuff and moving the
boat. Like my old E150, everyone I know has borrowed it for something.

I have a 1967 Chevy C-20 with a 327 and a dump bed. *Three speed
column shift had a seizure 10 years ago so I cut a hole in the floor
and installed a hurst shift kit. *Three on the floor. *Truck looks
like crap but runs like a champ and does whatever I need.

I keep the old shift lever on the dash board just in case I need to
disarm a rabid gun owner.

I didn't know there was such a thing as a "rabid" gun.

Don't you mean *"Rabbit gun?"
You know, like the one this hunter is toting?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKPOh...eature=related

I dont need to disarm em. They take one look at what I drive and its
like "Holy ****, you drive that thang" and from then on were best buds.

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:14:37 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On May 1, 12:01*am, Tim wrote:
On Apr 30, 10:53*pm, jps wrote:



On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:13:52 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:50:59 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

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On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:14:31 -0400, "Eisboch"
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On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:16:42 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:57:34 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:42:17 -0700, jps wrote:

They concentrated on SUVs and Trucks until it went bust wihle others
who saw the 1000 point writing on the wall designed more efficient
vehicles.

The Ford F-150 pickup truck has been the best selling vehicle in the
country for about thirty years. Ford didn't make people buy them.

Casady

If they'd have stuck with the F150, Ford would be in fine shape. *But
they're not in trouble for building F150's are they?

And you knew that.

The F150 and E150 are still their bread and butter. They dress up that
chassis to make the luxury SUVs and fancy vans but they are still
F150s when you look under the skin.
This old truck is still doing fine for me (1985)
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Brownie.jpg

It's amazing how many of the F-150s of that era are still on the road and
run well.
Cars of that vintage didn't, due to all the emission control stuff, but
trucks were exempt and as a result run well and long.

Eisboch

F150s are half ton, you had to be over a ton to get the exemption.
This has the air pump and the cat converter.
Emission control really became a non-issue in the 80s when they
started using electronic fuel and spark management systems. The bad
reputation came from the 70s vehicles that were just adding emission
control devices to old technology engines.

Your right. *I am a decade off.
I used to have a '87 Ford F-150 with the 300ci six. * *It was a great truck
and very reliable.

Eisboch

That is what this one has. 180 k miles.
The only problem we had with it was it was a northern truck that moved
south and it overheated when I was pulling my boat. From my experience
with an E150 I knew the fix was a 3 core radiator instead of the
standard 2 core. I found a guy who paid me $50 for the old 2 core so
it wasn't that big a deal.
This is our spare vehicle, only used for hauling stuff and moving the
boat. Like my old E150, everyone I know has borrowed it for something.

I have a 1967 Chevy C-20 with a 327 and a dump bed. *Three speed
column shift had a seizure 10 years ago so I cut a hole in the floor
and installed a hurst shift kit. *Three on the floor. *Truck looks
like crap but runs like a champ and does whatever I need.

I keep the old shift lever on the dash board just in case I need to
disarm a rabid gun owner.

I didn't know there was such a thing as a "rabid" gun.

Don't you mean *"Rabbit gun?"
You know, like the one this hunter is toting?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKPOh...eature=related

I dont need to disarm em. They take one look at what I drive and its
like "Holy ****, you drive that thang" and from then on were best buds.

A heap for a truck definitely makes folks think twice about gettin'
too close. Before I had the exhaust redone it had a nasty hole
pre-muffler that was good for attracting attention and scaring the
crap out of nearby drivers and pedestrians.

jps wrote:
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:13:52 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:50:59 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

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On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:14:31 -0400, "Eisboch"
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On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:16:42 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:57:34 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:42:17 -0700, jps wrote:

They concentrated on SUVs and Trucks until it went bust wihle others
who saw the 1000 point writing on the wall designed more efficient
vehicles.
The Ford F-150 pickup truck has been the best selling vehicle in the
country for about thirty years. Ford didn't make people buy them.

Casady
If they'd have stuck with the F150, Ford would be in fine shape. But
they're not in trouble for building F150's are they?

And you knew that.
The F150 and E150 are still their bread and butter. They dress up that
chassis to make the luxury SUVs and fancy vans but they are still
F150s when you look under the skin.
This old truck is still doing fine for me (1985)
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Brownie.jpg
It's amazing how many of the F-150s of that era are still on the road and
run well.
Cars of that vintage didn't, due to all the emission control stuff, but
trucks were exempt and as a result run well and long.

Eisboch
F150s are half ton, you had to be over a ton to get the exemption.
This has the air pump and the cat converter.
Emission control really became a non-issue in the 80s when they
started using electronic fuel and spark management systems. The bad
reputation came from the 70s vehicles that were just adding emission
control devices to old technology engines.
Your right. I am a decade off.
I used to have a '87 Ford F-150 with the 300ci six. It was a great truck
and very reliable.

Eisboch
That is what this one has. 180 k miles.
The only problem we had with it was it was a northern truck that moved
south and it overheated when I was pulling my boat. From my experience
with an E150 I knew the fix was a 3 core radiator instead of the
standard 2 core. I found a guy who paid me $50 for the old 2 core so
it wasn't that big a deal.
This is our spare vehicle, only used for hauling stuff and moving the
boat. Like my old E150, everyone I know has borrowed it for something.

I have a 1967 Chevy C-20 with a 327 and a dump bed. Three speed
column shift had a seizure 10 years ago so I cut a hole in the floor
and installed a hurst shift kit. Three on the floor. Truck looks
like crap but runs like a champ and does whatever I need.

I keep the old shift lever on the dash board just in case I need to
disarm a rabid gun owner.

If you had a gasoline electric a 30 year old truck would be in the junk
by now because of the cost of replacing the battery. From what I have
heard they have to be replaced every 6 to 8 years depending on use.
With that rate of depreciation they become disposable. Every one know
the cost of replacing batteries in your old laptop.

On Apr 30, 5:50*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
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On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:14:31 -0400, "Eisboch"
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On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:16:42 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:57:34 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:42:17 -0700, jps wrote:

They concentrated on SUVs and Trucks until it went bust wihle others
who saw the 1000 point writing on the wall designed more efficient
vehicles.

The Ford F-150 pickup truck has been the best selling vehicle in the
country for about thirty years. Ford didn't make people buy them.

Casady

If they'd have stuck with the F150, Ford would be in fine shape. *But
they're not in trouble for building F150's are they?

And you knew that.

The F150 and E150 are still their bread and butter. They dress up that
chassis to make the luxury SUVs and fancy vans but they are still
F150s when you look under the skin.
This old truck is still doing fine for me (1985)
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Brownie.jpg

It's amazing how many of the F-150s of that era are still on the road and
run well.
Cars of that vintage didn't, due to all the emission control stuff, but
trucks were exempt and as a result run well and long.

Eisboch

F150s are half ton, you had to be over a ton to get the exemption.
This has the air pump and the cat converter.
Emission control really became a non-issue in the 80s when they
started using electronic fuel and spark management systems. The bad
reputation came from the 70s vehicles that were just adding emission
control devices to old technology engines.

Your right. *I am a decade off.
I used to have a '87 Ford F-150 with the 300ci six. * *It was a great truck
and very reliable.

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300 was a great engine, so was the 250. Had a '69 Fairlane that had a
250 in it to start. It was a fine engine, but the persons before me
abused it, ran it low on oiil etc. until I got my hands on a 302 V8 to
put in it!

On Apr 30, 4:54*pm, HK wrote:
Jim wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers, IIII, Esq. wrote:
EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson told NPR’s Michelle Norris yesterday:
“The President has said, and I couldn’t agree more, that what this
country needs is a one single national road map that tells automakers
who are trying to become solvent again what kind of car it is they
need to be designing and building for the American people.” Norris
then asked: “Is that the role of Government though? That doesn’t sound
like free enterprise.” Jackson responded: “Well it is free enterprise
in a way.”

Interesting that a Google search for that quote only shows hits from the
right wing sites, like the Heritage Foundation. *NPR didn't show a hit.

BAR wrote:
wrote:
Bull****. Obama is taking away property form their lawful owners and
giving it to who he believes should posses that property.

I see some lawsuits in the near future. The 4th Amendment comes to mind.

I'm no expert here, but, isn't this what bankruptcy courts do every day?

On Fri, 01 May 2009 08:26:44 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote:


If you had a gasoline electric a 30 year old truck would be in the junk
by now because of the cost of replacing the battery. From what I have
heard they have to be replaced every 6 to 8 years depending on use. With
that rate of depreciation they become disposable. Every one know the
cost of replacing batteries in your old laptop.

Geez, if everyone was as negative about new technologies as you are, we
would still be driving horse and buggies, and forget computers. Still,
they are now getting 100,000 miles out of present battery technology, and
with standardization, and future innovations, battery life will improve
and cost will come down. Remember the cost of those older laptops?