Don't know if you guys saw this, but it might affect you.
Citizen action from boaters appears necessary to ensure your interests
are protected.

http://capwiz.com/nmma/issues/alert/...SS=Take+Action


--Vic

On Apr 30, 10:45*pm, Vic Smith
wrote:
Don't know if you guys saw this, but it might affect you.
Citizen action from boaters appears necessary to ensure your interests
are protected.

http://capwiz.com/nmma/issues/alert/...ROCESS=Take+Ac....

--Vic

Modern 2-cycle oils help to prevent engine damage in older outboards,
but with the push of Ethanol, it can really be bad unless they can
come up with a really good emulsifier blend.

I will say that's one advantage to running Mercruisers with Chevy
engines, they can even run on e-85 (but not well)


Maybe Tom's got a real point with Etec's.

Sorry to sideline, vic. But yes, the fuel and ag companies are pushing
the corn squeezin's really hard, and the stuff isn't really that
economically, efficiently, and environmentally great.

Tim wrote:
On Apr 30, 10:45 pm, Vic Smith
wrote:
Don't know if you guys saw this, but it might affect you.
Citizen action from boaters appears necessary to ensure your interests
are protected.

http://capwiz.com/nmma/issues/alert/...ROCESS=Take+Ac...

--Vic

Modern 2-cycle oils help to prevent engine damage in older outboards,
but with the push of Ethanol, it can really be bad unless they can
come up with a really good emulsifier blend.

I will say that's one advantage to running Mercruisers with Chevy
engines, they can even run on e-85 (but not well)


Maybe Tom's got a real point with Etec's.

Sorry to sideline, vic. But yes, the fuel and ag companies are pushing
the corn squeezin's really hard, and the stuff isn't really that
economically, efficiently, and environmentally great.

Corn has so many negatives as a fuel that it becomes difficult to count
them. Two are the high water content, and the fact the the energy supply
would be at the mercy of nature, high winds, to much rain, not enough
rain, etc. any of which would destroy a crop, or a years worth of energy.

One of the big negatives is the large amount of Carbon Dioxide. Gallon
per gallon ethanol creates twice as much carbon dioxide as produced by
gasoline. When gasoline or ethanol is burned in a vehicle the carbon
dioxide is distributed over many miles as the vehicle moves about the
terrain. But with Ethanol half of the carbon dioxide is produce at the
point the alcohol is fermented. The following are the chemical equations
for the fermentation process.

Reference any beginning chemistry book specifically

http://www.yobrew.co.uk/fermentation.php

Extracted from the above article. CO2 is produced regardless of the
sugar used ie sorbitol, dextrose they are all in corn. It would be the
same from what ever source the sugar is obtained corn, kudzu, trees, etc.

C6H12O6 ==== 2(CH3CH2OH) + 2(CO2)
Sugar ==== Alcohol + Carbon dioxide gas
(Glucose) (Ethyl alcohol)

For those that do not know chemistry, the equation says that one
molecule of sugar produces 2 molecules of alcohol and 2 molecules of
carbon dioxide. Base on the molecular weight, this means that for every
46 pounds ethanol, 44 pounds of Carbon Dioxide will be produced.

Its chemistry and can not be changed by the desires of the US government.

On May 1, 7:21*am, Keith Nuttle wrote:

Its chemistry and can not be changed by the desires of the US government.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Nor, the Chicago Bord of Trades, nor the US Corn Growers Association.

On Apr 30, 11:45*pm, Vic Smith
wrote:
Don't know if you guys saw this, but it might affect you.
Citizen action from boaters appears necessary to ensure your interests
are protected.

http://capwiz.com/nmma/issues/alert/...ROCESS=Take+Ac....

--Vic

A poster in another forum has a 90 Runabout, and believes the Ethanol
Fuel ate a hole in his boats plastic gas tank. Tank wasn't loose, no
contact points, but had a hole. Glad mines galvanized.

On Fri, 1 May 2009 12:52:16 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

A poster in another forum has a 90 Runabout, and believes the Ethanol
Fuel ate a hole in his boats plastic gas tank. Tank wasn't loose, no
contact points, but had a hole. Glad mines galvanized.

You should be ****ed at the builder for not using the long standard
material, Terne plate, lead on steel.

Casady

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 1 May 2009 12:52:16 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

A poster in another forum has a 90 Runabout, and believes the Ethanol
Fuel ate a hole in his boats plastic gas tank. Tank wasn't loose, no
contact points, but had a hole. Glad mines galvanized.

You should be ****ed at the builder for not using the long standard
material, Terne plate, lead on steel.

Casady


I've heard of ethanol attacking the resin in fiberglass fuel tanks but not
plastic.
If it attacks plastic, there is going to be a lot of spare fuel containers
developing leaks.

Eisboch

On Sat, 2 May 2009 07:54:21 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I've heard of ethanol attacking the resin in fiberglass fuel tanks but not
plastic.
If it attacks plastic, there is going to be a lot of spare fuel containers
developing leaks.

Methanol does not attack the polyethylene fuel jugs all the racers
use. I have it on good authority that uncut 170 proof moon does not
attack it either. They sell 95% ethanol in plastic bottles at liquor
stores. Actually, plastic is a property not a material. Steel is
plastic, cast iron and glass are not. It means able to be perminently
deformed without breaking. Opposite of brittle. Fiberglass reinforced
plastic, so called, is as brittle as the two brittle materials it is
made of. As for plastic fuel containers, it they resist gasoline, they
will resist alcohol. Alcohol attacks aluminum, for example.

Casady

Casady