jps wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 14:43:00 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Talk about lowering expectations!

We just got done hearing Obama take credit for saving 150,000 jobs —
which his administration never documented. Now we’re hearing that the
stimulus package demanded by Obama and passed over near-unanimous
Republican objections won’t actually make any difference at all. The
cure, Obama and his team now admit, is private-sector growth.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/11/bu...nomy.html?_r=2

Instead of constitutional law, Obama should have taken a few more
courses in Economics - assuming that he took any in the first place.

We need new economic advisors. Romer and her crew aren’t worth $800
in small bills, let alone the fortune we’ve frittered away on Obama’s
policies and her recommendations.

Bush took a number of courses in running businesses into the ground,
they were real life courses.

You think the president should have to know everything about
everything? That's what advisors are for.

Bush asked for six more month to reassess his folly in Iraq what, 7 or
8 times? How much money did he waste of bullets?

Were you complaining while our troops were dying for a stupid cause?

Shessh.

What about Darfur? What about that genocide. Bill Clinton didn't lift a
finger to help Africa.

On Mon, 11 May 2009 19:31:44 -0400, BAR wrote:

jps wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 14:43:00 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Talk about lowering expectations!

We just got done hearing Obama take credit for saving 150,000 jobs —
which his administration never documented. Now we’re hearing that the
stimulus package demanded by Obama and passed over near-unanimous
Republican objections won’t actually make any difference at all. The
cure, Obama and his team now admit, is private-sector growth.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/11/bu...nomy.html?_r=2

Instead of constitutional law, Obama should have taken a few more
courses in Economics - assuming that he took any in the first place.

We need new economic advisors. Romer and her crew aren’t worth $800
in small bills, let alone the fortune we’ve frittered away on Obama’s
policies and her recommendations.

Bush took a number of courses in running businesses into the ground,
they were real life courses.

You think the president should have to know everything about
everything? That's what advisors are for.

Bush asked for six more month to reassess his folly in Iraq what, 7 or
8 times? How much money did he waste of bullets?

Were you complaining while our troops were dying for a stupid cause?

Shessh.

What about Darfur? What about that genocide. Bill Clinton didn't lift a
finger to help Africa.

Ah, Darfur flamed up in 2006. Are you talking about Bosnia?

On May 11, 5:42*pm, jps wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 17:29:34 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 11:51:24 -0700, jps wrote:

Were you complaining while our troops were dying for a stupid cause?

Yes ... and they still are.

I was asking Tom, who is they?

The soldiers, stupid. They are still dying under Obama.

If you're not going to expend even a little brainpower, then we're
done.

On Mon, 11 May 2009 16:48:25 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On May 11, 5:42*pm, jps wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 17:29:34 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 11:51:24 -0700, jps wrote:

Were you complaining while our troops were dying for a stupid cause?

Yes ... and they still are.

I was asking Tom, who is they?

The soldiers, stupid. They are still dying under Obama.

If you're not going to expend even a little brainpower, then we're
done.

If it involves brainpower, you were done years ago.

On May 11, 7:59*pm, jps wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 16:48:25 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On May 11, 5:42*pm, jps wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 17:29:34 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 11:51:24 -0700, jps wrote:

Were you complaining while our troops were dying for a stupid cause?

Yes ... and they still are.

I was asking Tom, who is they?

The soldiers, stupid. *They are still dying under Obama.

If you're not going to expend even a little brainpower, then we're
done.

If it involves brainpower, you were done years ago.

I got it, you didn't. Game over, just plain stupid.

jps wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 14:43:00 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Talk about lowering expectations!

We just got done hearing Obama take credit for saving 150,000 jobs —
which his administration never documented. Now we’re hearing that the
stimulus package demanded by Obama and passed over near-unanimous
Republican objections won’t actually make any difference at all. The
cure, Obama and his team now admit, is private-sector growth.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/11/bu...nomy.html?_r=2

Instead of constitutional law, Obama should have taken a few more
courses in Economics - assuming that he took any in the first place.

We need new economic advisors. Romer and her crew aren’t worth $800
in small bills, let alone the fortune we’ve frittered away on Obama’s
policies and her recommendations.

Bush took a number of courses in running businesses into the ground,
they were real life courses.

You think the president should have to know everything about
everything? That's what advisors are for.

Bush asked for six more month to reassess his folly in Iraq what, 7 or
8 times? How much money did he waste of bullets?

Were you complaining while our troops were dying for a stupid cause?

Shessh.
You better go back and recheck you facts. President Bush's deficit was
only one fifth of the 1.8 trillion in obama budget

On Mon, 11 May 2009 20:48:35 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 14:43:00 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Talk about lowering expectations!

We just got done hearing Obama take credit for saving 150,000 jobs —
which his administration never documented. Now we’re hearing that the
stimulus package demanded by Obama and passed over near-unanimous
Republican objections won’t actually make any difference at all. The
cure, Obama and his team now admit, is private-sector growth.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/11/bu...nomy.html?_r=2

Instead of constitutional law, Obama should have taken a few more
courses in Economics - assuming that he took any in the first place.

We need new economic advisors. Romer and her crew aren’t worth $800
in small bills, let alone the fortune we’ve frittered away on Obama’s
policies and her recommendations.

Bush took a number of courses in running businesses into the ground,
they were real life courses.

You think the president should have to know everything about
everything? That's what advisors are for.

Bush asked for six more month to reassess his folly in Iraq what, 7 or
8 times? How much money did he waste of bullets?

Were you complaining while our troops were dying for a stupid cause?

Shessh.
You better go back and recheck you facts. President Bush's deficit was
only one fifth of the 1.8 trillion in obama budget

Including the wars that were kept off the books?

Would Bush have just stood by while the economy tanked further?

Evidence is that Bush's deficit would have soared.

Please recall the Republican party was who argued that deficits didn't
matter.

On May 11, 8:56*pm, jps wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 20:48:35 -0400, Keith Nuttle





wrote:
jps wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 14:43:00 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

Talk about lowering expectations! *

We just got done hearing Obama take credit for saving 150,000 jobs —
which his administration never documented. *Now we’re hearing that the
stimulus package demanded by Obama and passed over near-unanimous
Republican objections won’t actually make any difference at all. *The
cure, Obama and his team now admit, is private-sector growth.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/11/bu...nomy.html?_r=2

Instead of constitutional law, Obama should have taken a few more
courses in Economics - assuming that he took any in the first place.

We need new economic advisors. *Romer and her crew aren’t worth $800
in small bills, let alone the fortune we’ve frittered away on Obama’s
policies and her recommendations.

Bush took a number of courses in running businesses into the ground,
they were real life courses.

You think the president should have to know everything about
everything? *That's what advisors are for.

Bush asked for six more month to reassess his folly in Iraq what, 7 or
8 times? *How much money did he waste of bullets?

Were you complaining while our troops were dying for a stupid cause?

Shessh.
You better go back and recheck you facts. *President Bush's deficit was
only one fifth of the 1.8 trillion in obama budget

Including the wars that were kept off the books?

Would Bush have just stood by while the economy tanked further?

Evidence is that Bush's deficit would have soared.

Not in evidence. Assumption. Only the real deficit is in evidence.
Obammy's deficit.


Please recall the Republican party was who argued that deficits didn't
matter.

Please recall Bush and McCain who tried to warn of the Freddie/Fannie
fiasco, and the damn Dems that were on the take, including Obama, that
protected their cash cow.

On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:22:16 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 11 May 2009 14:42:53 -0700, jps wrote:


Were you complaining while our troops were dying for a stupid cause?


Yes ... and they still are.

I was asking Tom, who is they?


Our troops.
I have an open bet for anyone who wants a taste that we will still be
in Iraq in 2012 ... and 2016.
... and we still won't find Bin Laden

Yes, true enough.

I hope you're wrong about Iraq.

I expect you're right about bin Laden. The Pakistanis are saying that
he's dead but we've heard the before.

On Tue, 12 May 2009 00:16:57 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 11 May 2009 21:00:59 -0700, jps wrote:

I have an open bet for anyone who wants a taste that we will still be
in Iraq in 2012 ... and 2016.
... and we still won't find Bin Laden

Yes, true enough.

I hope you're wrong about Iraq.

I expect you're right about bin Laden. The Pakistanis are saying that
he's dead but we've heard the before.

I am not sure anyone really wants Bin Laden dead.
The Taliban needs him as a rallying point and we need him to justify
our ill advised Afghanistan crusade. Were we asleep when the Russians
left with their tail between their legs?

I don't think it's important other than to have control over the
border with Pakistan. That's the scariest part of the globe at this
point. Nuclear weapons were never a good idea. In the hands of folks
who'd like to see a global Caliphate, even worse.

As for Iraq
I wish the Obama I liked had won. You know, the one that was going to
end the war and bring the troops home as soon as he was elected.
He seemed to disappear sometime around February 2008.
This is an 18 year Iraq war right now and I wanted them to come home
when Powell said "mission accomplished" in 1991.
Two Bushes and a Clinton later we are still there with a couple more
"mission accomplished" claimed but not acted on.

I'm with you. Sooner the better but I do expect he's been briefed on
the various risks and taken the best available approach.

I recall him saying "as soon as I'm elected" but was modified to "I'll
start the process." I think other Dems were slagging him about being
too optimistic and inexperienced so he had to modify his rap.