On Wed, 13 May 2009 12:50:31 -0400, HK wrote:


Kind of funny that Tommy wants to spread around "punishment" for
decisions entirely within the purview of the Bush mis-Administration.

If laws were broken, I'm an equal opportunity kind of guy. Hang 'em all.

thunder wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2009 12:50:31 -0400, HK wrote:


Kind of funny that Tommy wants to spread around "punishment" for
decisions entirely within the purview of the Bush mis-Administration.

If laws were broken, I'm an equal opportunity kind of guy. Hang 'em all.


What laws were broken by Democrats in torture? The policies and
implementation of same were promulgated by the Bush Administration.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...y-on-trial.jpg

On Wed, 13 May 2009 13:00:15 -0400, HK wrote:


If laws were broken, I'm an equal opportunity kind of guy. Hang 'em
all.


What laws were broken by Democrats in torture? The policies and
implementation of same were promulgated by the Bush Administration.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ous/cheney-on-
trial.jpg

*If* laws were broken...

On Wed, 13 May 2009 12:13:28 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

"And I’d like to interject a note of balance here. There are times
when we all get in high dudgeon. We ought to be reasonable about this.
I think there are probably very few people in this room or in America
who would say that torture should never, ever be used, particularly if
thousands of lives are at stake.

Take the hypothetical: If we knew that there was a nuclear bomb hidden
in an American city and we believed that some kind of torture, fairly
severe maybe, would give us a chance of finding that bomb before it
went off, my guess is most Americans and most senators, maybe all,
would say, Do what you have to do.

So it’s easy to sit back in the armchair and say that torture can
never be used. But when you’re in the foxhole, it’s a very different
deal."

Senator Chuck Schumer, June 8, 2004

Schumer is welcome to his ignorance. He's among the more compromised
senators in the business so it doesn't surprise me. There are a
variety of opinions out there. Picking one is not a representation of
the whole.

Unless you're talking Republicans, who can vote in lockstep against
any legislation whether practical or not, for political effect.

Let's talk to Eric Cantor about that, okay?

On May 13, 12:29*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On May 13, 12:18 pm, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2009 12:13:28 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
So it’s easy to sit back in the armchair and say that torture can
never
be used. But when you’re in the foxhole, it’s a very different deal."
Senator Chuck Schumer, June 8, 2004
What would Schumer know about being in a foxhole?

It's just a tactic, kind of like Lobsta' Boats and German/American
screwdrivers... Soundbites for elections. Remember Hillary's personal
firefight? I think the congress should be spending it's time finding
out why 1-2/3 of soldiers votes were not counted in the last election,
or why gas is up to $2.50 again. Remember, Pelosi said that was going
to be job 1 when she took the lead.. It has been a disaster ever
since, companies can't even plan ahead because of the volatility...
That's what's important, not who you can "Scooter Libby/Trent Lott,
Newt Gingrich" out of an office...

Why are you concerned about the economy? You sure as hell are not part
of it.

"1-2/3" of soldiers votes were not counted..."

Is that less than two soldiers?

You didn't actually get through a Connecticut high school, did you? With
a diploma?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Every single person who lives in the United States of America is part
of the economy. Are you stuck on stupid today?
Where's that Yale diploma?

jps wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2009 12:13:28 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

"And I’d like to interject a note of balance here. There are times
when we all get in high dudgeon. We ought to be reasonable about this.
I think there are probably very few people in this room or in America
who would say that torture should never, ever be used, particularly if
thousands of lives are at stake.

Take the hypothetical: If we knew that there was a nuclear bomb hidden
in an American city and we believed that some kind of torture, fairly
severe maybe, would give us a chance of finding that bomb before it
went off, my guess is most Americans and most senators, maybe all,
would say, Do what you have to do.

So it’s easy to sit back in the armchair and say that torture can
never be used. But when you’re in the foxhole, it’s a very different
deal."

Senator Chuck Schumer, June 8, 2004

Schumer is welcome to his ignorance. He's among the more compromised
senators in the business so it doesn't surprise me. There are a
variety of opinions out there. Picking one is not a representation of
the whole.

Unless you're talking Republicans, who can vote in lockstep against
any legislation whether practical or not, for political effect.

Let's talk to Eric Cantor about that, okay?



Don't GOP legislators have to call Rush before they vote or speak? :)


Rush, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Eric Cantor, and Newt Gingrich,
your GOP leadership for 2010.

On Wed, 13 May 2009 13:25:14 -0400, HK wrote:

jps wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2009 12:13:28 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

"And I’d like to interject a note of balance here. There are times
when we all get in high dudgeon. We ought to be reasonable about this.
I think there are probably very few people in this room or in America
who would say that torture should never, ever be used, particularly if
thousands of lives are at stake.

Take the hypothetical: If we knew that there was a nuclear bomb hidden
in an American city and we believed that some kind of torture, fairly
severe maybe, would give us a chance of finding that bomb before it
went off, my guess is most Americans and most senators, maybe all,
would say, Do what you have to do.

So it’s easy to sit back in the armchair and say that torture can
never be used. But when you’re in the foxhole, it’s a very different
deal."

Senator Chuck Schumer, June 8, 2004

Schumer is welcome to his ignorance. He's among the more compromised
senators in the business so it doesn't surprise me. There are a
variety of opinions out there. Picking one is not a representation of
the whole.

Unless you're talking Republicans, who can vote in lockstep against
any legislation whether practical or not, for political effect.

Let's talk to Eric Cantor about that, okay?


Don't GOP legislators have to call Rush before they vote or speak? :)


Rush, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Eric Cantor, and Newt Gingrich,
your GOP leadership for 2010.

They don't need to call, they just channel him. Psychic goosestep.

On Wed, 13 May 2009 11:48:50 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 13 May 2009 12:30:21 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


If accountability is to be imposed, let it be imposed across the board -
let's not single out the Bush Administration if it's found to be a
criminal action.

Works for me, but, frankly, I'd settle for just Cheney. The SOB just
can't seem to keep his mouth shut.

You can't just single him out, assuming that this is found to be
criminal. Anybody who knew is complicite in their silence - that is a
simple truth proven by the Nuremburg trials - the fact that you knew
and didn't object is not a defense. I believe that there is also US
case law that supports that view.

Expect this to die a quick and quiet death because if it doesn't,
we're going to be without a large number of Congress critters in the
future.

Oh, and I'm still waiting for Hannity's waterboarding for charity.
That would be pay for view at it's finest. ;-)

I don't know anything about that, but if he made the offer, he's an
idiot. It's not a pleasant experience.

On Wed, 13 May 2009 11:29:30 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 13 May 2009 09:25:36 -0700, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:


why gas is up to $2.50 again.

That would be because you live in Connecticut. ;-)

That's the freakin' truth.

HK wrote:
wrote:
On May 13, 12:18 pm, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2009 12:13:28 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
So it’s easy to sit back in the armchair and say that torture can
never
be used. But when you’re in the foxhole, it’s a very different deal."
Senator Chuck Schumer, June 8, 2004
What would Schumer know about being in a foxhole?

It's just a tactic, kind of like Lobsta' Boats and German/American
screwdrivers... Soundbites for elections. Remember Hillary's personal
firefight? I think the congress should be spending it's time finding
out why 1-2/3 of soldiers votes were not counted in the last election,
or why gas is up to $2.50 again. Remember, Pelosi said that was going
to be job 1 when she took the lead.. It has been a disaster ever
since, companies can't even plan ahead because of the volatility...
That's what's important, not who you can "Scooter Libby/Trent Lott,
Newt Gingrich" out of an office...


Why are you concerned about the economy? You sure as hell are not part
of it.

"1-2/3" of soldiers votes were not counted..."

Is that less than two soldiers?

You didn't actually get through a Connecticut high school, did you? With
a diploma?

Krause's Connecticut High school is ranked exactly where?
Look it up for yourself. James Hillhouse HS New London Ct.