On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:19:23 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jun 4, 5:29*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 4, 5:08*pm, jps wrote:



On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:37:13 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
Sales of expensive x-ray instruments is not going well in this economy
so I am starting a new business, Mobile Marine Plating, Inc. *will
specialize in re-plating small marine parts with anti-corrosive and
decorative metal plating while the parts are in place via "brush
plating". *This means we will go to a boat and coat corroded parts
with electroplated nickel or bronze or even gold. *Larger numbers of
parts can be brought back to the lab for polishing en masse and re-
coating.
My specialty is nickel plating but one of the most interesting ones is
an electroless nickel coating that has hexagonal boron nitride *in *it
to give ti lubricating properties along with the anti-corrosion
properties. *Think about steel or Aluminum parts that are subject to
wear and corrosion where a coating about .00020" thick would be
helpful.
I am getting tired of hanging out with scientists anyway and want to
hang out in marinas. *Will probably start off coating local parts but
will branch out into offshore oil stuff.

That's cool. *Best of luck to you in your new venture.

That coating on the Shimano reels looks like Titanium nitride Harry.
I can get that done by electron beam evaporation.

Am amazed I didn't think of doing this several years ago. No more
employees, YES. No more workers comp, no more company pension to to
spend MY money contributing to. No more product reps in F*&k*&g India
calling me at weird times. No more incompetents in Abu Dhabi asking
me to go fix their spectrometer (like F*&k*&ing Hell). No more
supporting sales people. No more IRS hassling me about why this guy
is an independent contractor or employee. FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST,
Thank God ALMIGHTY, I'll be Free At last" without employees.

That sounds really great. You'll still have plenty of compliance but
not as much. I sometimes pine for a job. Sole ownership sounds pretty
good too.

Too much invested in what I'm doing and it's going the right
direction. Sure hope it pays for the kids college and retirement.

Maybe that 44' Tolly I dream about...

On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:25:50 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jun 4, 6:19*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 4, 5:29*pm, Frogwatch wrote:



On Jun 4, 5:08*pm, jps wrote:

On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:37:13 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
Sales of expensive x-ray instruments is not going well in this economy
so I am starting a new business, Mobile Marine Plating, Inc. *will
specialize in re-plating small marine parts with anti-corrosive and
decorative metal plating while the parts are in place via "brush
plating". *This means we will go to a boat and coat corroded parts
with electroplated nickel or bronze or even gold. *Larger numbers of
parts can be brought back to the lab for polishing en masse and re-
coating.
My specialty is nickel plating but one of the most interesting ones is
an electroless nickel coating that has hexagonal boron nitride *in *it
to give ti lubricating properties along with the anti-corrosion
properties. *Think about steel or Aluminum parts that are subject to
wear and corrosion where a coating about .00020" thick would be
helpful.
I am getting tired of hanging out with scientists anyway and want to
hang out in marinas. *Will probably start off coating local parts but
will branch out into offshore oil stuff.

That's cool. *Best of luck to you in your new venture.

That coating on the Shimano reels looks like Titanium nitride Harry.
I can get that done by electron beam evaporation.

Am amazed I didn't think of doing this several years ago. *No more
employees, YES. *No more workers comp, no more company pension to to
spend MY money contributing to. *No more product reps in F*&k*&g India
calling me at weird times. *No more incompetents in Abu Dhabi asking
me to go fix their spectrometer (like F*&k*&ing Hell). *No more
supporting sales people. *No more IRS hassling me about why this guy
is an independent contractor or employee. *FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST,
Thank God ALMIGHTY, I'll be Free At last" without employees.

My major worries are that:

!. I am terrible dealing with people and this will involve some of
that nastiness.
2. I have no idea how to set price.
3 Will I get bored?

Replating is a pain in the butt if you have to R&R and deliver it.
And, it's expensive.

I think your idea is good and people will be glad to have your
expertise. Doing it in place is a hell of an advantage.

On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:37:13 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Sales of expensive x-ray instruments is not going well in this economy
so I am starting a new business, Mobile Marine Plating, Inc. will
specialize in re-plating small marine parts with anti-corrosive and
decorative metal plating while the parts are in place via "brush
plating". This means we will go to a boat and coat corroded parts
with electroplated nickel or bronze or even gold. Larger numbers of
parts can be brought back to the lab for polishing en masse and re-
coating.
My specialty is nickel plating but one of the most interesting ones is
an electroless nickel coating that has hexagonal boron nitride in it
to give ti lubricating properties along with the anti-corrosion
properties. Think about steel or Aluminum parts that are subject to
wear and corrosion where a coating about .00020" thick would be
helpful.
I am getting tired of hanging out with scientists anyway and want to
hang out in marinas. Will probably start off coating local parts but
will branch out into offshore oil stuff.

Very cool. Good luck and God speed.

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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Sales of expensive x-ray instruments is not going well in this economy
so I am starting a new business, Mobile Marine Plating, Inc. will
specialize in re-plating small marine parts with anti-corrosive and
decorative metal plating while the parts are in place via "brush
plating". This means we will go to a boat and coat corroded parts
with electroplated nickel or bronze or even gold. Larger numbers of
parts can be brought back to the lab for polishing en masse and re-
coating.
My specialty is nickel plating but one of the most interesting ones is
an electroless nickel coating that has hexagonal boron nitride in it
to give ti lubricating properties along with the anti-corrosion
properties. Think about steel or Aluminum parts that are subject to
wear and corrosion where a coating about .00020" thick would be
helpful.
I am getting tired of hanging out with scientists anyway and want to
hang out in marinas. Will probably start off coating local parts but
will branch out into offshore oil stuff.


Gold plated props?

What will they think of next?

Eisboch

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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That coating on the Shimano reels looks like Titanium nitride Harry.
I can get that done by electron beam evaporation.

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Sputtering would be better. Nickel base for a "glue" layer, then reactive
sputter the TiO2.
Sputtering will give you much better adhesion and uniform 3 dimensional
coverage, within reason. EB will be pretty much line of sight, plus it would
be slow due to the much lower operating pressure required by the source for
reactive coating.

I know of a small used system ideally set up for something like this, if you
are interested.

Eisboch

On Jun 4, 7:40*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:22:04 -0400, HK wrote:

Setting the price? Call others who do it, and find out what they charge.
My Shimano "gold reels" are small - the 200 series - and only one needs
to be refinished at the moment. I don't recall what I paid for it when
new, maybe $150? It works fine, has a small dent in the case, but isn't
as "purty" as it used to be. I'd pay at least $25 plus shipping if the
coating were durable.

Always thought battle scars give gear some character.
As long as operation isn't affected.

--Vic

If that's the case my motorcycle has wicked character Hey, I didn't
fall today...

Eisboch wrote:

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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That coating on the Shimano reels looks like Titanium nitride Harry.
I can get that done by electron beam evaporation.

--------------------------------

Sputtering would be better. Nickel base for a "glue" layer, then
reactive sputter the TiO2.
Sputtering will give you much better adhesion and uniform 3 dimensional
coverage, within reason. EB will be pretty much line of sight, plus it
would be slow due to the much lower operating pressure required by the
source for reactive coating.

I know of a small used system ideally set up for something like this, if
you are interested.

Eisboch


Whooosh...that's the sound of what you just explained zooming over my head.

wrote:
On Jun 4, 7:40 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:22:04 -0400, HK wrote:

Setting the price? Call others who do it, and find out what they charge.
My Shimano "gold reels" are small - the 200 series - and only one needs
to be refinished at the moment. I don't recall what I paid for it when
new, maybe $150? It works fine, has a small dent in the case, but isn't
as "purty" as it used to be. I'd pay at least $25 plus shipping if the
coating were durable.
Always thought battle scars give gear some character.
As long as operation isn't affected.

--Vic

If that's the case my motorcycle has wicked character Hey, I didn't
fall today...

Sober, eh?

On Jun 4, 10:21*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 4, 7:40 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:22:04 -0400, HK wrote:

Setting the price? Call others who do it, and find out what they charge.
My Shimano "gold reels" are small - the 200 series - and only one needs
to be refinished at the moment. I don't recall what I paid for it when
new, maybe $150? It works fine, has a small dent in the case, but isn't
as "purty" as it used to be. I'd pay at least $25 plus shipping if the
coating were durable.
Always thought battle scars give gear some character.
As long as operation isn't affected.

--Vic

If that's the case my motorcycle has wicked character *Hey, I didn't
fall today...

Sober, eh?

Eisboch:
Yes, I am interested in a small sputter system. Right now, to do e-
beam evap costs me at least $100 just to open the chamber cuz I dont
own it.
I have all the parts for a large sputter system except the vac pumps
and targets. I have thickness monitors, gas flow controls, chamber,
RF supplies but putting it together is sorta involved and would
involve employees. A smaller assembled system would be nice.
Right now I could actually coat it with real gold for cheaper than
TiN. I have two old electron microscope sputter systems I have
modified to do weird things but they are of too low power to do
anything except precioius metals with high sputter yield.

Business plan is basically to start very small while living offa
current patent royalties. Get more experience doing this in weird
environments before looking into offshore oil market.
One possibility might be to use electroless nickel to recondition
diesel injector pumps to bring their bore back to spec. Electroless
Ni is nice cuz it plates uniformly down into small spaces whereas
electrolytic Ni has trouble getting into deep bores.
My employees new business of making pistol grips is suddenly doing
very well. Not only are they doing grips for the 1911 models but for
the Sig Hauer (spelling) guns that is much more complicated. THEN,
they just picked up a contract to make some sorta scope mount for some
type of guns. So, they will do well. This utilizes the CNC mill and
the rest of the shop and makes em all business owners (the poor
*******s).

On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:43:04 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

My employees new business of making pistol grips is suddenly doing
very well. Not only are they doing grips for the 1911 models but for
the Sig Hauer (spelling) guns that is much more complicated.

You gotta name for that company? My 1911 needs new grips - might as
well give the business to somebody I sort-of have a liking for. :)