Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:14:56 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I even whoosh myself sometimes.

Welcome to my world.

Hey, just read an interesting article in the Globe about used cars -
it appears that dealers are scouring want ads for good quality used
cars.

Thought that was interesting with respect to you selling your Mustang.

I've seen the same thing. Dealers have been sending me stuff relating to
buying back late model vehicles of all kinds. Quite a few RV Mfrs. have
been going into chapter 11 or 7 or just suspending manufacturing, or
shutting down completely. There's a large number of unemployed folks in
that industry. Probably as many as in the UAW. It seems like Obie is
cherry picking the businesses he offers bailouts too. There doesn't seem
to be any good logic involved in his decision making.

On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:53:22 -0400, jim7 wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:33:12 -0400, jim7 wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"jim78" wrote in message
...

HK wrote:

Whooosh...that's the sound of what you just explained zooming over my
head.
Not surprised at that.
Eisboch has the ability to whoosh people much more intelligent than you.

I even whoosh myself sometimes.

Eisboch
If you can't dazzle em with brilliance, baffle em with bull****.

Hell ya...

By the way, what are you going to do when you get down to just J? :)

I'm sure I'll think of something.

Random number generator.

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:53:22 -0400, jim7 wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:33:12 -0400, jim7 wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"jim78" wrote in message
...

HK wrote:
Whooosh...that's the sound of what you just explained zooming over my
head.
Not surprised at that.
Eisboch has the ability to whoosh people much more intelligent than you.
I even whoosh myself sometimes.

Eisboch
If you can't dazzle em with brilliance, baffle em with bull****.
Hell ya...

By the way, what are you going to do when you get down to just J? :)
I'm sure I'll think of something.

Random number generator.

I don't need anything that sophisticated to baffle the 2 or 3 tools here.

On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:47:00 -0400, HK wrote:

BTW, there are lots of quality gold-toned fishing reels from Shimano and
others where the plating has worn off.

You can find it very difficult to measure the hardness of very thin
coatings, but titanium nitride is estimated at Rockwell C 85. It is
coated on to drill bits, steel knife cutting edges, and the titanium
handles on my Buck folding knife. It is yellow in color, and is used
for decoration as well as wear resistance. You can color anodize
aluminum that color, but I don't believe the coating is as abrasion
resistant as the nitride, notwithstanding the fact the all aluminum
has a coating of sapphire, transparent aluminum oxide.

Casady

Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:47:00 -0400, HK wrote:

BTW, there are lots of quality gold-toned fishing reels from Shimano and
others where the plating has worn off.

You can find it very difficult to measure the hardness of very thin
coatings, but titanium nitride is estimated at Rockwell C 85. It is
coated on to drill bits, steel knife cutting edges, and the titanium
handles on my Buck folding knife. It is yellow in color, and is used
for decoration as well as wear resistance. You can color anodize
aluminum that color, but I don't believe the coating is as abrasion
resistant as the nitride, notwithstanding the fact the all aluminum
has a coating of sapphire, transparent aluminum oxide.

Casady


Interestingly, the gold-tone coating on the spools of my Penn spinning
reels does not seem to wear off nearly as easily as the coating on the
Shimanos. It's strictly ornamental, though. Both brands of reels work
well for me...

On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:29:43 -0400, jim7 wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:53:22 -0400, jim7 wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:33:12 -0400, jim7 wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"jim78" wrote in message
...

HK wrote:
Whooosh...that's the sound of what you just explained zooming over my
head.
Not surprised at that.
Eisboch has the ability to whoosh people much more intelligent than you.
I even whoosh myself sometimes.

Eisboch
If you can't dazzle em with brilliance, baffle em with bull****.
Hell ya...

By the way, what are you going to do when you get down to just J? :)
I'm sure I'll think of something.

Random number generator.

I don't need anything that sophisticated to baffle the 2 or 3 tools here.

Think of it as a intellectual exercise.

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:29:43 -0400, jim7 wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:53:22 -0400, jim7 wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:33:12 -0400, jim7 wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"jim78" wrote in message
...

HK wrote:
Whooosh...that's the sound of what you just explained zooming over my
head.
Not surprised at that.
Eisboch has the ability to whoosh people much more intelligent than you.
I even whoosh myself sometimes.

Eisboch
If you can't dazzle em with brilliance, baffle em with bull****.
Hell ya...

By the way, what are you going to do when you get down to just J? :)
I'm sure I'll think of something.
Random number generator.
I don't need anything that sophisticated to baffle the 2 or 3 tools here.

Think of it as a intellectual exercise.


Floridajim? Think? Intellectual? Are you in charge of providing today's
giggle?

On Jun 5, 11:19*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:29:43 -0400, jim7 wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:53:22 -0400, jim7 wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:33:12 -0400, jim7 wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"jim78" wrote in message
...

HK wrote:
Whooosh...that's the sound of what you just explained zooming over my
head.
Not surprised at that.
Eisboch has the ability to whoosh people much more intelligent than you.
I even whoosh myself sometimes.

Eisboch
If you can't dazzle em with brilliance, baffle em with bull****.
Hell ya...

By the way, what are you going to do when you get down to just J? *:)
I'm sure I'll think of something.

Random number generator.

I don't need anything that sophisticated to baffle the 2 or 3 tools here..

Think of it as a intellectual exercise.

Eisboch:

E-mail address is an old non-working one. Correct one is:
prlax&mindspring.com

Replace & with @.

I am very interested in such a sputter system.
There is a problem with a lot of plating on structural components in
thgat the plating causes the parts to become brittle due to hydrogen
getting into them. After plating they must be baked for hours to get
rid of it. Thus, I would choose not to do large structural parts.
For you Harley guys, make sure your chrome shop bakes the parts after
plating otherwise your forks may fall off. Most chrome shops do not
bake due to cost.

"HK" wrote in message
...


Interestingly, the gold-tone coating on the spools of my Penn spinning
reels does not seem to wear off nearly as easily as the coating on the
Shimanos. It's strictly ornamental, though. Both brands of reels work well
for me...

If it is TiN and not electroplated, and it was done properly, you will find
it damn near impossible to wear off.

Titanium Nitride can look just like gold electroplating. It can also be
adjusted to different "hues".
Several auto manufacturers with the fancy gold hood ornaments and side
badges use plastic or zinc parts that have a vacuum deposited base coating
and then a reactive titanium nitride finish top coating.

Each manufacturer has a different specification in terms of the gold color,
hue, and other color spectrum requirements, etc. which are controlled by
different process parameters including voltage, pressure and gas ratio
mixtures. The "gold" tipped drill bits aren't designed to be pretty, so
they have a dull, but very hard coating. The hood ornament or badge on a
Caddy may be zinc or plastic, but the TiN coating is bright, shiny gold with
a lot of "depth".

Same with many of the modern sports trophy manufacturers. They are shifting
to vacuum deposited TiN instead of electroplating or electro less nickel
plating. The older plating technologies generate toxic waste that needs to
be disposed of. Vacuum deposited coatings are "green", environmentally.

Same with junk jewelry.

It's an interesting technology.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...


Interestingly, the gold-tone coating on the spools of my Penn spinning
reels does not seem to wear off nearly as easily as the coating on the
Shimanos. It's strictly ornamental, though. Both brands of reels work
well for me...

If it is TiN and not electroplated, and it was done properly, you will
find it damn near impossible to wear off.

Titanium Nitride can look just like gold electroplating. It can also be
adjusted to different "hues".
Several auto manufacturers with the fancy gold hood ornaments and side
badges use plastic or zinc parts that have a vacuum deposited base
coating and then a reactive titanium nitride finish top coating.

Each manufacturer has a different specification in terms of the gold
color, hue, and other color spectrum requirements, etc. which are
controlled by different process parameters including voltage, pressure
and gas ratio mixtures. The "gold" tipped drill bits aren't designed
to be pretty, so they have a dull, but very hard coating. The hood
ornament or badge on a Caddy may be zinc or plastic, but the TiN coating
is bright, shiny gold with a lot of "depth".

Same with many of the modern sports trophy manufacturers. They are
shifting to vacuum deposited TiN instead of electroplating or electro
less nickel plating. The older plating technologies generate toxic
waste that needs to be disposed of. Vacuum deposited coatings are
"green", environmentally.

Same with junk jewelry.

It's an interesting technology.

Eisboch


I don't have any idea what is being used to plate the reels in gold
tone. As I said, the plating is just decoration. The reels don't rust
when it wears off. The frames are aluminum. I wash and dry the reels
after every use, so I haven't had any problems with corrosion, either.
I'd pay $25 to have a reel "redone," but it's not a vital refurb.