"HK" wrote in message
m...


Not to worry. If you live long enough, whatever emerges from the shell of
your GOP might carry a national election in, oh, 2024, but only if it gets
over its hatred of blacks, Latinos, women, gays, and just about every
other non-white, non-male group.

Have hope. Until that happens, you can continue to worship the almighty
and highly devalued dollar.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ilt_96828.html
June 4, 2009
Green With Guilt
By George Will

WASHINGTON -- There once was an Indianapolis concert featuring 50 pianos.
Splendid instruments, pianos. Still, 50 might have been excessive. As is
today's chorus summoning us to save the planet.

In the history of developed democracies with literate publics served by mass
media, there is no precedent for today's media enlistment in the crusade to
promote global warming "awareness." Concerning this, journalism, which
fancies itself skeptical and nonconforming, is neither.

The incessant hectoring by the media-political complex's
"consciousness-raising" campaign has provoked a comic riposte in the form of
"The Goode Family," an animated ABC entertainment program on Wednesdays at 9
p.m. Eastern time. Cartoons seem, alas, to be the most effective means of
seizing a mass audience's attention. Still, the program is welcome evidence
of the bursting of what has been called "the green bubble."

Gerald and Helen Goode, their children and dog Che (when supervised, he is a
vegan; when unsupervised, squirrels disappear) live in a college town, where
T-shirts and other media instruct ("Meat is murder"), admonish ("Don't kill
wood") and exhort ("Support our troops ... and their opponents"). The
college, where Gerald works, gives students tenure. And when Gerald says his
department needs money to raise the percentage of minority employees, his
boss cheerily replies, "Or we could just fire three white guys. Everybody
wins!" Helen shops at the One Earth store, where community shaming enforces
social responsibility: "Attention One Earth shoppers, the driver of the SUV
is in aisle four. He's wearing the baseball cap."

The New York Times television critic disapproves. The show "feels
aggressively off-kilter with the current mood, as if it had been incubated
in the early to mid-'90s, when it was possible to find global-warming
skeptics among even the reasonable and informed." That is a perfect (because
completely complacent) sample of the grating smugness of the planet-savers,
delivered by an entertainment writer: Reasonable dissent is impossible. Cue
the pianos.

"The Goode Family" does not threaten Jonathan Swift's standing as the
premier English-language satirist. But when a Goode child apologizes to his
parent for driving too much, and the parent responds, "It's OK ... what's
important is that you feel guilty about it," the program touches upon an
important phenomenon: ecology as psychology.

In "The Green Bubble: Why Environmentalism Keeps Imploding" (The New
Republic, May 20), Ted Nordhaus and Michael Shellenberger, authors of "Break
Through: Why We Can't Leave Saving the Planet to Environmentalists," say
that a few years ago, being green "moved beyond politics." Gestures --
bringing reusable grocery bags to the store, purchasing a $4 heirloom
tomato, inflating tires, weatherizing windows -- "gained fresh urgency" and
"were suddenly infused with grand significance."

Green consumption became "positional consumption" that identified the
consumer as a member of a moral and intellectual elite. A 2007 survey found
that 57 percent of Prius purchasers said they bought their car because "it
makes a statement about me." Honda, alert to the bull market in status
effects, reshaped its 2009 Insight hybrid to look like a Prius.

Nordhaus and Shellenberger note the telling "insignificance," as
environmental measures, of planting gardens or using fluorescent bulbs.
Their significance is therapeutic, but not for the planet. They make people
feel better:

"After all, we can't escape the fact that we depend on an infrastructure --
roads, buildings, sewage systems, power plants, electrical grids, etc. --
that requires huge quantities of fossil fuels. But the ecological
irrelevance of these practices was beside the point."

The point of "utopian environmentalism" was to reduce guilt. During the
green bubble, many Americans became "captivated by the twin thoughts that
human civilization could soon come crashing down -- and that we are on the
cusp of a sudden leap forward in consciousness, one that will allow us to
heal ourselves, our society, and our planet. Apocalyptic fears meld
seamlessly into utopian hopes." Suddenly, commonplace acts -- e.g., buying
light bulbs -- infused pedestrian lives with cosmic importance. But:

"Greens often note that the changing global climate will have the greatest
impact on the world's poor; they neglect to mention that the poor also have
the most to gain from development fueled by cheap fossil fuels like coal.
For the poor, the climate is already dangerous."

Now, say Nordhaus and Shellenberger, "the green bubble" has burst, pricked
by Americans' intensified reluctance to pursue greenness at a cost to
economic growth. The dark side of utopianism is "escapism and a
disengagement from reality that marks all bubbles, green or financial."
Re-engagement with reality is among the recession's benefits.

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
I kid you not.

"I mean in a way Obama's standing above the country, above - above the
world, he's sort of God..."

Evan Thomas - Newsweek.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-dr...obama-sort-god

This seems to be the general opinion of the Nutroots. Which is kind of
interesting when you think about it. All that laughing about those who
have faith and believe in a God and they were so jealous, they had to
go out and invent their own.

Amazing world we live in isn't it?

I was thinking the Pied Piper for Obama.

Not really amazing at all, quite predictable. Albert Einstein said it best:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure
about the universe."

On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 05:57:37 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 6, 6:44*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 6, 6:28 am, HK wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
I kid you not.
"I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the
world, he’s sort of God..."
Evan Thomas - Newsweek.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-dr...wsweek-s-evan-...
This seems to be the general opinion of the Nutroots. Which is kind of
interesting when you think about it. All that laughing about those who
have faith and believe in a God and they were so jealous, they had to
go out and invent their own.
Amazing world we live in isn't it?
Not to worry. If you live long enough, whatever emerges from the shell
of your GOP might carry a national election in, oh, 2024, but only if it
gets over its hatred of blacks, Latinos, women, gays, and just about
every other non-white, non-male group.

Have hope. Until that happens, you can continue to worship the almighty
and highly devalued dollar.

Harry, that line was incoherent to the subject at hand.

Try again, please?

Sure, Tim. Tom's whining about a godhead substitute is hilarious, as is
his explanation that those who don't believe in a god were jealous of
those who do. It's all tied up in the conservative mindset, such as it
is. Connections, Tim...connections.

As a liberal, I don't give a damn what god you or anyone else believes
in or doesn't believe in, so long as you don't try to shovel those
beliefs down my throat. The right-wingers were jumping up and down in
glee the other day when Obama walked into a mosque and removed his
shoes, somehow misinterpreting respect for a religion into trying to
force that belief onto others, as the religious conservatives try to do.

LOL!. Yeah, yeah, Harry. "I don't give a damn what political
affiliation you belong to as long and you don't' try to shovel those
beliefs down my throat...."

How ever you don't mind doing the shoveling,and have for years.

Harry, you sound like a broken record that does nothing but
skip...skip...skip...

But yet he gets folks to respond to his crap.
--

John H

Don't blame me, I voted for the American.

On Jun 6, 9:17*am, "Canuck57" wrote:
"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in messagenews:mrjk25h00lfpdps4vo8in1dmjr8lho849g@4ax .com...

I kid you not.

"I mean in a way Obama's standing above the country, above - above the
world, he's sort of God..."

Evan Thomas - Newsweek.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-dr...wsweek-s-evan-...

This seems to be the general opinion of the Nutroots. Which is kind of
interesting when you think about it. All that laughing about those who
have faith and believe in a God and they were so jealous, they had to
go out and invent their own.

Amazing world we live in isn't it?

I was thinking the Pied Piper for Obama.

Not really amazing at all, quite predictable. Albert Einstein said it best:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure
about the universe."

Good quote!

On Jun 6, 1:02*pm, John H wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 05:57:37 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Jun 6, 6:44*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 6, 6:28 am, HK wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
I kid you not.
"I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the
world, he’s sort of God..."
Evan Thomas - Newsweek.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-dr...wsweek-s-evan-...
This seems to be the general opinion of the Nutroots. Which is kind of
interesting when you think about it. All that laughing about those who
have faith and believe in a God and they were so jealous, they had to
go out and invent their own.
Amazing world we live in isn't it?
Not to worry. If you live long enough, whatever emerges from the shell
of your GOP might carry a national election in, oh, 2024, but only if it
gets over its hatred of blacks, Latinos, women, gays, and just about
every other non-white, non-male group.

Have hope. Until that happens, you can continue to worship the almighty
and highly devalued dollar.

Harry, that line was incoherent to the subject at hand.

Try again, please?

Sure, Tim. Tom's whining about a godhead substitute is hilarious, as is
his explanation that those who don't believe in a god were jealous of
those who do. It's all tied up in the conservative mindset, such as it
is. Connections, Tim...connections.

As a liberal, I don't give a damn what god you or anyone else believes
in or doesn't believe in, so long as you don't try to shovel those
beliefs down my throat. The right-wingers were jumping up and down in
glee the other day when Obama walked into a mosque and removed his
shoes, somehow misinterpreting respect for a religion into trying to
force that belief onto others, as the religious conservatives try to do.

LOL!. Yeah, yeah, Harry. "I don't give a damn what political
affiliation you belong to as long and you *don't' try to shovel those
beliefs down my throat...."

How ever you don't mind doing the shoveling,and have for years.

Harry, you sound like a broken record that does nothing but
skip...skip...skip...

But yet he gets folks to respond to his crap.
--

John H

Don't blame me, I voted for the American.

yep. i guiess that included me, huh?

LOL!

On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 07:36:45 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
.. .
I kid you not.

"I mean in a way Obama's standing above the country, above - above the
world, he's sort of God..."

Evan Thomas - Newsweek.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-dr...obama-sort-god

This seems to be the general opinion of the Nutroots. Which is kind of
interesting when you think about it. All that laughing about those who
have faith and believe in a God and they were so jealous, they had to
go out and invent their own.

Amazing world we live in isn't it?


All things considered, I thought his Cairo speech was well done. It is a
tough balance between mending fences without totally capitulating.

He's making a lot of promises to the world that he better be prepared to
deliver on however. Otherwise he may find himself in deep doo-doo. I am
afraid that other countries may not endorse his "can't we just get along"
promotion. History says they won't, and he had better be prepared to take
care of Number One.

Eisboch

His only promise is that we'll be honest brokers while protecting our
interests, unlike previous leaders.

The middle east knows that talk is cheap but good intentions have
value and, in Obama, we have a leader who's capable of brokering
honest dialogue.

It's refreshing to have a politically savvy leader who can help more
than he hurts.

On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 08:17:16 -0600, "Canuck57" wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
.. .
I kid you not.

"I mean in a way Obama's standing above the country, above - above the
world, he's sort of God..."

Evan Thomas - Newsweek.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-dr...obama-sort-god

This seems to be the general opinion of the Nutroots. Which is kind of
interesting when you think about it. All that laughing about those who
have faith and believe in a God and they were so jealous, they had to
go out and invent their own.

Amazing world we live in isn't it?

I was thinking the Pied Piper for Obama.

Not really amazing at all, quite predictable. Albert Einstein said it best:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure
about the universe."

You certainly do your best to contribute to infinity.

Tim wrote:
On Jun 6, 1:02 pm, John H wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 05:57:37 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Jun 6, 6:44 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 6, 6:28 am, HK wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
I kid you not.
"I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the
world, he’s sort of God..."
Evan Thomas - Newsweek.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-dr...wsweek-s-evan-...
This seems to be the general opinion of the Nutroots. Which is kind of
interesting when you think about it. All that laughing about those who
have faith and believe in a God and they were so jealous, they had to
go out and invent their own.
Amazing world we live in isn't it?
Not to worry. If you live long enough, whatever emerges from the shell
of your GOP might carry a national election in, oh, 2024, but only if it
gets over its hatred of blacks, Latinos, women, gays, and just about
every other non-white, non-male group.
Have hope. Until that happens, you can continue to worship the almighty
and highly devalued dollar.
Harry, that line was incoherent to the subject at hand.
Try again, please?
Sure, Tim. Tom's whining about a godhead substitute is hilarious, as is
his explanation that those who don't believe in a god were jealous of
those who do. It's all tied up in the conservative mindset, such as it
is. Connections, Tim...connections.
As a liberal, I don't give a damn what god you or anyone else believes
in or doesn't believe in, so long as you don't try to shovel those
beliefs down my throat. The right-wingers were jumping up and down in
glee the other day when Obama walked into a mosque and removed his
shoes, somehow misinterpreting respect for a religion into trying to
force that belief onto others, as the religious conservatives try to do.
LOL!. Yeah, yeah, Harry. "I don't give a damn what political
affiliation you belong to as long and you don't' try to shovel those
beliefs down my throat...."
How ever you don't mind doing the shoveling,and have for years.
Harry, you sound like a broken record that does nothing but
skip...skip...skip...
But yet he gets folks to respond to his crap.
--

John H

Don't blame me, I voted for the American.

yep. i guiess that included me, huh?

LOL!


Here's some examples for you, Tim:

1. The majority of "conservatives" are opposed to abortion, and want to
severely restrict access to it any way they can, up to and including
murder of doctors. They want to shove their beliefs down my throat.

I believe access to abortion under most circumstances should be
unrestricted. Don't like abortions? Don't get one.

2. Many conservatives are opposed to extending "marriage" to gays, and
they want to prevent gays from getting married, and will do whatever
they can to prevent such marriages.

I believe access to the rite of marriage should be available to all
who want them.

Don't want to be married to a gay? Don't marry one.

3. Many conservatives dream of turning the U.S. into a "more religious,
more Christian" country.

I say, practice whatever religion you like, but don't try to shovel
it down my throat.


Now, speaking of shoveling, we're going to an informal church dinner
tonight. It's a fundraiser, and I believe in privately supporting religion.

Tim wrote:
On Jun 6, 6:44 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 6, 6:28 am, HK wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
I kid you not.
"I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the
world, he’s sort of God..."
Evan Thomas - Newsweek.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-dr...wsweek-s-evan-....
This seems to be the general opinion of the Nutroots. Which is kind of
interesting when you think about it. All that laughing about those who
have faith and believe in a God and they were so jealous, they had to
go out and invent their own.
Amazing world we live in isn't it?
Not to worry. If you live long enough, whatever emerges from the shell
of your GOP might carry a national election in, oh, 2024, but only if it
gets over its hatred of blacks, Latinos, women, gays, and just about
every other non-white, non-male group.
Have hope. Until that happens, you can continue to worship the almighty
and highly devalued dollar.
Harry, that line was incoherent to the subject at hand.
Try again, please?
Sure, Tim. Tom's whining about a godhead substitute is hilarious, as is
his explanation that those who don't believe in a god were jealous of
those who do. It's all tied up in the conservative mindset, such as it
is. Connections, Tim...connections.

As a liberal, I don't give a damn what god you or anyone else believes
in or doesn't believe in, so long as you don't try to shovel those
beliefs down my throat. The right-wingers were jumping up and down in
glee the other day when Obama walked into a mosque and removed his
shoes, somehow misinterpreting respect for a religion into trying to
force that belief onto others, as the religious conservatives try to do.

LOL!. Yeah, yeah, Harry. "I don't give a damn what political
affiliation you belong to as long and you don't' try to shovel those
beliefs down my throat...."

How ever you don't mind doing the shoveling,and have for years.

Harry, you sound like a broken record that does nothing but
skip...skip...skip...

I agree with this post.

On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 20:35:30 -0400, D K
wrote:

Tim wrote:
On Jun 6, 6:44 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 6, 6:28 am, HK wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
I kid you not.
"I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the
world, he’s sort of God..."
Evan Thomas - Newsweek.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-dr...wsweek-s-evan-....
This seems to be the general opinion of the Nutroots. Which is kind of
interesting when you think about it. All that laughing about those who
have faith and believe in a God and they were so jealous, they had to
go out and invent their own.
Amazing world we live in isn't it?
Not to worry. If you live long enough, whatever emerges from the shell
of your GOP might carry a national election in, oh, 2024, but only if it
gets over its hatred of blacks, Latinos, women, gays, and just about
every other non-white, non-male group.
Have hope. Until that happens, you can continue to worship the almighty
and highly devalued dollar.
Harry, that line was incoherent to the subject at hand.
Try again, please?
Sure, Tim. Tom's whining about a godhead substitute is hilarious, as is
his explanation that those who don't believe in a god were jealous of
those who do. It's all tied up in the conservative mindset, such as it
is. Connections, Tim...connections.

As a liberal, I don't give a damn what god you or anyone else believes
in or doesn't believe in, so long as you don't try to shovel those
beliefs down my throat. The right-wingers were jumping up and down in
glee the other day when Obama walked into a mosque and removed his
shoes, somehow misinterpreting respect for a religion into trying to
force that belief onto others, as the religious conservatives try to do.

LOL!. Yeah, yeah, Harry. "I don't give a damn what political
affiliation you belong to as long and you don't' try to shovel those
beliefs down my throat...."

How ever you don't mind doing the shoveling,and have for years.

Harry, you sound like a broken record that does nothing but
skip...skip...skip...

I agree with this post.

Oh golly, that carries a lot of weight.