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Think this would have happened if Bush were still in office or the
Republicans would have retained the White House?

Not a freakin' chance...

American-Backed Alliance Appears to Win in Lebanon
By MICHAEL SLACKMAN

BEIRUT, Lebanon - An American-backed alliance appeared to retain
control of the Lebanese Parliament on Sunday in a hotly contested
election that had been billed as a showdown between Tehran and
Washington for influence in the Middle East.

Preliminary results reported on Lebanese television showed the
alliance, known as the March 14 coalition, had managed to preserve
its
majority in Parliament. If those results are confirmed, they would
represent a significant and unexpected defeat for Hezbollah and its
allies, Iran and Syria. Most polls had showed a tight race, but one
in
which the Hezbollah-led group would win.

The tentative victory may have been aided by nearly unprecedented
turnout. The preliminary results showed that about 55 percent of the
3.26 million registered voters cast ballots. Lebanese television
reported that the March 14 coalition, a predominantly Sunni,
Christian
and Druze alliance, held at least 67 seats out of 128 in Parliament.

Though the Hezbollah-led challengers appeared to lose, Hezbollah
itself - a Shiite political, social and military organization that
is
officially regarded by the United States and Israel as a terrorist
group - will continue to be one of Lebanon's most powerful political
forces. The biggest disappointment may well have been Michel Aoun, a
retired general who appeared to preserve his bloc of seats but left
the Christian constituency divided.

The interest in the contest was so high that during the day, people
waited up to four hours to vote, many, including the elderly and the
infirm, standing in the hot sun and in packed hallways.

Thousands of troops fanned out across this small, fractured nation
to
keep the peace and stayed in the streets into the night as the
results
came in. Despite big crowds at polling places, though, there were
few
reports of disturbances, Lebanese and election monitoring officials
said.

"There is the fate of the country this time," said Mireille Fiani,
45,
as she stood crushed up against a crowd inside a school to cast her
vote.

The majority party in Parliament gets to build the next government
and
set the direction of national policy. Had the opposition won, for
example, there was the expectation that Lebanon would not cooperate
with the international tribunal set up to investigate the
assassination of Rafik Hariri, the former premier.

Initially it was expected to be a very close race, with political
analysts saying that as few as seven seats might have decided the
outcome of the contest. Even with the majority expanding its base by
a
few seats, there was likely still the need, analysts said, to bring
the opposition into a national unity government. Lebanon remains a
divided and polarized nation that needs stability if for no other
reason than to deal with its foreign debt of $50 billion.

Official results were expected on Monday at noon here.

Three groups of election monitors have been deployed, including
former
President Carter's organization. But even before the race began, it
was marred by charges of unprecedented vote buying. In the most
contested districts, there were reports of votes being bought for as
much as $2,000, and thousands of expatriates received
all-expense-paid
trips to Lebanon to vote.

In one district, an ambulance brought hospital patients to the polls
to cast ballots.

Lebanon has long been seen as a proxy battlefield for regional and
global interests, and so foreign powers from Washington to Tehran
have
paid close attention. But its politics are also intensely local,
with
power divided among sect leaders who jealously guard their
interests.

On one side is the March 14 coalition, which holds the majority bloc
and is led by the Sunni Muslim Future Movement of Saad Hariri, whose
father's assassination in 2005 led to huge protests that forced
Syria
to withdraw its troops from Lebanon.

On the other side is the March 8 coalition, whose two main members
are
Hezbollah and the Christian party of Mr. Aoun, the Free Patriotic
Movement.

If Hezbollah's alliance had emerged victorious, it would have
represented another step in the evolution of a once parochial Shiite
militia that started as a guerrilla force fighting Israeli
occupation
of the south into a national institution that slowly has defined the
identity of the state.

Hezbollah has said that it would work to build what it called a
"culture of resistance," and define the enemy of Lebanon as Israel
and
the United States. It also said it would make it a high priority to
build a strong national military.

Instead, it is the March 14 group that appears to find itself having
won greater legitimacy. When Mr. Hariri's alliance first won in
2005,
it did so as part of an alliance with Hezbollah. The two camps broke
ties shortly after the election and for years since Hezbollah said
that March 14 would not have had the majority if not for its help,
and
therefore represented an illegitimate government.

Having won in opposition to Hezbollah would add a boost to the
bloc's
legitimacy, political analysts said.

Mr. Aoun, on the other hand, walks away with less than when he
entered
the race. The Sunni and Shiite communities are largely united behind
their respective parties. Mr. Aoun gambled that he would be able to
bring the majority of Christian voters with him into the alliance
with
Hezbollah, and appears to have been rejected by his intended
constituents.

That division was played out on Sunday in the election district
known
as Beirut One, where early results showed that General Aoun's
candidates lost. Soldiers in armored personnel carriers were
stationed
in the middle of Sassine Square as troops patrolled the sidewalks.

Joseph Khoury, 47, was overseeing an election office for the
Lebanese
Forces, a former militia turned political organization that is
aligned
with March 14. He said that victory was essential to preserve
Lebanon's independence. "We don't want Iran to occupy Lebanon," he
said, relying on what has been described as a scare tactic to drum
up
votes.

Tony Badr, 22, a Lebanese Forces supporter, said that he was
"disappointed" that "a large Christian party has aligned with Syria
and Iran and their agents," Hezbollah.

But down the road, Christian supporters of Mr. Aoun said that the
alliance with Mr. Hariri and his Saudi-backed March 14 group was
more
dangerous to Christians. "What am I going to tell you, Hezbollah is
a
party defending Lebanon," said George Anid. "The Shia have simple
hearts like us and they will protect us."

Hwaida Saad contributed reporting.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/08/wo...n.html?_r=1&hp

Obama had zero to do with the victory. It was the Lebanese who have
been
shattered by the Hezbollah who see no good to come with a Hezbollah
led
government. Until they opened the doors to Hezbollah, Lebanon was the
Geneva of the Middle east.

I'm sure your analysis is far better than a trained journalist in the
subject who works for a nation paper of record.

Excuse me!

I suppose you think the timing of Obama's trip was just coincidental
with an election where Hezbollah control hung in the balance.

Simple soul you are.

Simple maybe. But seeing the 4th estate being a handmaiden for the
present
party in power, makes me believe little of what is written these days.
And
where did the "trained" journalist credit Obama?

Aluminum tubes
Yellowcake
WMD
Despotic dictotor
Spying on Americans

Handmaiden to who? To power, that's who.

Seems as if Clinton believed in:
Aluminum tubes
Yellowcake
WMD
Despotic dictator
Spying on Americans

Even the media types admit they are extremely liberal and vote that way.

Clinton wasn't running the show, didn't fabricate the evidence, didn't
lie straighfaced to the American people about WMD, yellowcake,
aluminum tubes and Winnebagos.

That would be Dick Cheney, George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld who lied to
us straighfaced.

****ing liars. Scum. Assholes. Evil. Chickenhawk mother****ers.

They all deserve electric shock treatment on their balls and a few
sessions of waterboarding. Let them decide if it was torture.

Sickening.

Your "liberal" press didn't ****ing blink when they shoved this ****
down our collective throats.

Clinton said it, so the press repeated it.

On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:38:28 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


Even the media types admit they are extremely liberal and vote that way.

Clinton wasn't running the show, didn't fabricate the evidence, didn't
lie straighfaced to the American people about WMD, yellowcake,
aluminum tubes and Winnebagos.

That would be Dick Cheney, George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld who lied to
us straighfaced.

****ing liars. Scum. Assholes. Evil. Chickenhawk mother****ers.

They all deserve electric shock treatment on their balls and a few
sessions of waterboarding. Let them decide if it was torture.

Sickening.

Your "liberal" press didn't ****ing blink when they shoved this ****
down our collective throats.

Clinton said it, so the press repeated it.

WTF does that mean? Clinton didn't have the real intelligence because
that was being safely hidden by the three cocksuckers mentioned above.

They had nothing but dubious intelligence and that's what they
forwarded to congress and the American public.

Do you have an argument or are you going to take the opportunity to
duck and cover with a personal insult?

Don White wrote:

Your balls are in a vice and you can't get them out. Silly ass.

Actually, at his advanced age and in his deteriorated physical condition,
it is unlikely his balls are anywhere near vice.

Now...a vise...yeah...that's likely.



The 'vise' is likely a couple of empty Kalifornia wine bottles.



The dummy returns...

"Don White" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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jps wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:27:12 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:38:28 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


Even the media types admit they are extremely liberal and vote that
way.
Clinton wasn't running the show, didn't fabricate the evidence,
didn't
lie straighfaced to the American people about WMD, yellowcake,
aluminum tubes and Winnebagos.

That would be Dick Cheney, George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld who lied
to
us straighfaced.

****ing liars. Scum. Assholes. Evil. Chickenhawk mother****ers.

They all deserve electric shock treatment on their balls and a few
sessions of waterboarding. Let them decide if it was torture.

Sickening.

Your "liberal" press didn't ****ing blink when they shoved this ****
down our collective throats.
Clinton said it, so the press repeated it.
WTF does that mean? Clinton didn't have the real intelligence because
that was being safely hidden by the three cocksuckers mentioned above.

They had nothing but dubious intelligence and that's what they
forwarded to congress and the American public.

Do you have an argument or are you going to take the opportunity to
duck and cover with a personal insult?
WTF! Dick Cheney, George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld were not in office
when Clinton was POTUS. How did they control what info he received?
You are getting more unhinged each month. Maybe you should take up
boating.

You ****in' ****head. The decision to go to war was made in 2003.

Was Clinton in office? Was he getting the daily intelligence
briefings?

Your balls are in a vice and you can't get them out. Silly ass.


Actually, at his advanced age and in his deteriorated physical condition,
it is unlikely his balls are anywhere near vice.

Now...a vise...yeah...that's likely.



The 'vise' is likely a couple of empty Kalifornia wine bottles.


You wish you could afford California wine, instead of that New York state
crap.

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:27:12 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:38:28 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


Even the media types admit they are extremely liberal and vote that
way.

Clinton wasn't running the show, didn't fabricate the evidence, didn't
lie straighfaced to the American people about WMD, yellowcake,
aluminum tubes and Winnebagos.

That would be Dick Cheney, George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld who lied to
us straighfaced.

****ing liars. Scum. Assholes. Evil. Chickenhawk mother****ers.

They all deserve electric shock treatment on their balls and a few
sessions of waterboarding. Let them decide if it was torture.

Sickening.

Your "liberal" press didn't ****ing blink when they shoved this ****
down our collective throats.

Clinton said it, so the press repeated it.

WTF does that mean? Clinton didn't have the real intelligence because
that was being safely hidden by the three cocksuckers mentioned above.

They had nothing but dubious intelligence and that's what they
forwarded to congress and the American public.

Do you have an argument or are you going to take the opportunity to
duck and cover with a personal insult?

WTF! Dick Cheney, George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld were not in office
when
Clinton was POTUS. How did they control what info he received? You are
getting more unhinged each month. Maybe you should take up boating.

You ****in' ****head. The decision to go to war was made in 2003.

Was Clinton in office? Was he getting the daily intelligence
briefings?

Your balls are in a vice and you can't get them out. Silly ass.

Another foul mouthed utterance of nonsense. Clinton was shooting up Iraq
with no fly zone and threatening actual war because he BELIEVED in WMD's
etc.

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"Don White" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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jps wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:27:12 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:38:28 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


Even the media types admit they are extremely liberal and vote
that way.
Clinton wasn't running the show, didn't fabricate the evidence,
didn't
lie straighfaced to the American people about WMD, yellowcake,
aluminum tubes and Winnebagos.

That would be Dick Cheney, George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld who lied
to
us straighfaced.

****ing liars. Scum. Assholes. Evil. Chickenhawk mother****ers.

They all deserve electric shock treatment on their balls and a few
sessions of waterboarding. Let them decide if it was torture.

Sickening.

Your "liberal" press didn't ****ing blink when they shoved this
****
down our collective throats.
Clinton said it, so the press repeated it.
WTF does that mean? Clinton didn't have the real intelligence
because
that was being safely hidden by the three cocksuckers mentioned
above.

They had nothing but dubious intelligence and that's what they
forwarded to congress and the American public.

Do you have an argument or are you going to take the opportunity to
duck and cover with a personal insult?
WTF! Dick Cheney, George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld were not in office
when Clinton was POTUS. How did they control what info he received?
You are getting more unhinged each month. Maybe you should take up
boating.

You ****in' ****head. The decision to go to war was made in 2003.

Was Clinton in office? Was he getting the daily intelligence
briefings?

Your balls are in a vice and you can't get them out. Silly ass.


Actually, at his advanced age and in his deteriorated physical
condition, it is unlikely his balls are anywhere near vice.

Now...a vise...yeah...that's likely.



The 'vise' is likely a couple of empty Kalifornia wine bottles.


You wish you could afford California wine, instead of that New York state
crap.

New York??
Not likely........ http://www.winesofnovascotia.ca/wineries/index.php

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:52:57 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
m...
jps wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:27:12 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:38:28 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


Even the media types admit they are extremely liberal and vote
that way.
Clinton wasn't running the show, didn't fabricate the evidence,
didn't
lie straighfaced to the American people about WMD, yellowcake,
aluminum tubes and Winnebagos.

That would be Dick Cheney, George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld who lied
to
us straighfaced.

****ing liars. Scum. Assholes. Evil. Chickenhawk mother****ers.

They all deserve electric shock treatment on their balls and a few
sessions of waterboarding. Let them decide if it was torture.

Sickening.

Your "liberal" press didn't ****ing blink when they shoved this
****
down our collective throats.
Clinton said it, so the press repeated it.
WTF does that mean? Clinton didn't have the real intelligence
because
that was being safely hidden by the three cocksuckers mentioned
above.

They had nothing but dubious intelligence and that's what they
forwarded to congress and the American public.

Do you have an argument or are you going to take the opportunity to
duck and cover with a personal insult?
WTF! Dick Cheney, George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld were not in office
when Clinton was POTUS. How did they control what info he received?
You are getting more unhinged each month. Maybe you should take up
boating.

You ****in' ****head. The decision to go to war was made in 2003.

Was Clinton in office? Was he getting the daily intelligence
briefings?

Your balls are in a vice and you can't get them out. Silly ass.


Actually, at his advanced age and in his deteriorated physical
condition, it is unlikely his balls are anywhere near vice.

Now...a vise...yeah...that's likely.



The 'vise' is likely a couple of empty Kalifornia wine bottles.


You wish you could afford California wine, instead of that New York state
crap.

New York??
Not likely........ http://www.winesofnovascotia.ca/wineries/index.php

Come on Bill, tell the truth.

Your vintage comes in a box from Costco, doesn't it...

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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:52:57 -0300, "Don White"
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"Don White" wrote in message
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jps wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:27:12 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:38:28 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


Even the media types admit they are extremely liberal and vote
that way.
Clinton wasn't running the show, didn't fabricate the evidence,
didn't
lie straighfaced to the American people about WMD, yellowcake,
aluminum tubes and Winnebagos.

That would be Dick Cheney, George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld who
lied
to
us straighfaced.

****ing liars. Scum. Assholes. Evil. Chickenhawk
mother****ers.

They all deserve electric shock treatment on their balls and a
few
sessions of waterboarding. Let them decide if it was torture.

Sickening.

Your "liberal" press didn't ****ing blink when they shoved this
****
down our collective throats.
Clinton said it, so the press repeated it.
WTF does that mean? Clinton didn't have the real intelligence
because
that was being safely hidden by the three cocksuckers mentioned
above.

They had nothing but dubious intelligence and that's what they
forwarded to congress and the American public.

Do you have an argument or are you going to take the opportunity to
duck and cover with a personal insult?
WTF! Dick Cheney, George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld were not in
office
when Clinton was POTUS. How did they control what info he received?
You are getting more unhinged each month. Maybe you should take up
boating.

You ****in' ****head. The decision to go to war was made in 2003.

Was Clinton in office? Was he getting the daily intelligence
briefings?

Your balls are in a vice and you can't get them out. Silly ass.


Actually, at his advanced age and in his deteriorated physical
condition, it is unlikely his balls are anywhere near vice.

Now...a vise...yeah...that's likely.



The 'vise' is likely a couple of empty Kalifornia wine bottles.


You wish you could afford California wine, instead of that New York
state
crap.

New York??
Not likely........ http://www.winesofnovascotia.ca/wineries/index.php

Come on Bill, tell the truth.

Your vintage comes in a box from Costco, doesn't it...

I rarely drink. So when I buy wine I buy really good stuff. But since I
live in the first wine growing region of California, I can get some really
good wines locally. My development area is called Vintage Hills. Street I
live on was the original road to Ruby Hills Winery. Unlike Don, who only
buys the cheap stuff.

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:04:48 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:52:57 -0300, "Don White"
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"Don White" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
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jps wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:27:12 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:38:28 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


Even the media types admit they are extremely liberal and vote
that way.
Clinton wasn't running the show, didn't fabricate the evidence,
didn't
lie straighfaced to the American people about WMD, yellowcake,
aluminum tubes and Winnebagos.

That would be Dick Cheney, George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld who
lied
to
us straighfaced.

****ing liars. Scum. Assholes. Evil. Chickenhawk
mother****ers.

They all deserve electric shock treatment on their balls and a
few
sessions of waterboarding. Let them decide if it was torture.

Sickening.

Your "liberal" press didn't ****ing blink when they shoved this
****
down our collective throats.
Clinton said it, so the press repeated it.
WTF does that mean? Clinton didn't have the real intelligence
because
that was being safely hidden by the three cocksuckers mentioned
above.

They had nothing but dubious intelligence and that's what they
forwarded to congress and the American public.

Do you have an argument or are you going to take the opportunity to
duck and cover with a personal insult?
WTF! Dick Cheney, George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld were not in
office
when Clinton was POTUS. How did they control what info he received?
You are getting more unhinged each month. Maybe you should take up
boating.

You ****in' ****head. The decision to go to war was made in 2003.

Was Clinton in office? Was he getting the daily intelligence
briefings?

Your balls are in a vice and you can't get them out. Silly ass.


Actually, at his advanced age and in his deteriorated physical
condition, it is unlikely his balls are anywhere near vice.

Now...a vise...yeah...that's likely.



The 'vise' is likely a couple of empty Kalifornia wine bottles.


You wish you could afford California wine, instead of that New York
state
crap.

New York??
Not likely........ http://www.winesofnovascotia.ca/wineries/index.php

Come on Bill, tell the truth.

Your vintage comes in a box from Costco, doesn't it...

I rarely drink. So when I buy wine I buy really good stuff. But since I
live in the first wine growing region of California, I can get some really
good wines locally. My development area is called Vintage Hills. Street I
live on was the original road to Ruby Hills Winery. Unlike Don, who only
buys the cheap stuff.

Little boxes, little boxes, little boxes on the hillside?

"jps" wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:04:48 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:52:57 -0300, "Don White"
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
m...
jps wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:27:12 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:38:28 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


Even the media types admit they are extremely liberal and vote
that way.
Clinton wasn't running the show, didn't fabricate the evidence,
didn't
lie straighfaced to the American people about WMD, yellowcake,
aluminum tubes and Winnebagos.

That would be Dick Cheney, George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld who
lied
to
us straighfaced.

****ing liars. Scum. Assholes. Evil. Chickenhawk
mother****ers.

They all deserve electric shock treatment on their balls and a
few
sessions of waterboarding. Let them decide if it was torture.

Sickening.

Your "liberal" press didn't ****ing blink when they shoved this
****
down our collective throats.
Clinton said it, so the press repeated it.
WTF does that mean? Clinton didn't have the real intelligence
because
that was being safely hidden by the three cocksuckers mentioned
above.

They had nothing but dubious intelligence and that's what they
forwarded to congress and the American public.

Do you have an argument or are you going to take the opportunity
to
duck and cover with a personal insult?
WTF! Dick Cheney, George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld were not in
office
when Clinton was POTUS. How did they control what info he
received?
You are getting more unhinged each month. Maybe you should take
up
boating.

You ****in' ****head. The decision to go to war was made in 2003.

Was Clinton in office? Was he getting the daily intelligence
briefings?

Your balls are in a vice and you can't get them out. Silly ass.


Actually, at his advanced age and in his deteriorated physical
condition, it is unlikely his balls are anywhere near vice.

Now...a vise...yeah...that's likely.



The 'vise' is likely a couple of empty Kalifornia wine bottles.


You wish you could afford California wine, instead of that New York
state
crap.

New York??
Not likely........ http://www.winesofnovascotia.ca/wineries/index.php

Come on Bill, tell the truth.

Your vintage comes in a box from Costco, doesn't it...

I rarely drink. So when I buy wine I buy really good stuff. But since I
live in the first wine growing region of California, I can get some really
good wines locally. My development area is called Vintage Hills. Street
I
live on was the original road to Ruby Hills Winery. Unlike Don, who only
buys the cheap stuff.

Little boxes, little boxes, little boxes on the hillside?

Last box I bought was a Bordeaux from Cost Plus. Was a great looking box
and even the tasted good. Took it to a party for the salmon season opener
when we could fish for salmon. Couple years ago.