- while others "race" motorbikes:


Teenage girl discovers new type of supernova
by Keith Pickering
Daily KOS

Fri Jun 19, 2009 at 07:33:52 AM PDT

On November 6, 2008, Caroline Moore of Warwick, New York discovered a
supernova in galaxy UGC 12682, in the constellation Pegasus.
Caroline3scopes

Caroline is 14 years old, and is the youngest person to ever discover a
supernova.

Caroline and her father Bob are part of the Puckett Observatory
Supernova Search Team. The team was founded by dedicated amateur
astronomer Tim Puckett of Georgia in 1997, and currently has several
dozen members around the world. They have an impressive record, having
racked up 191 supernova discoveries to date.

The team has four computer-automated telescopes at work in British
Columbia, Arizona, Georgia, and South Africa, collecting images of
thousands of galaxies every clear night. Thousands of galaxies, and
dozens of astronomers — that math isn't good. Often new images are
collected too fast to analyze. Sharp new eyes are always needed, so when
Caroline looked at the image of UGC 12682 last November, the photo was
already two months days old. But Caroline saw something there, just
barely, that she didn't see on the reference image of the galaxy.

"I'm going to send it in. I think it's something," she told her
father. A couple nights later, her suspicions were confirmed. "We got
confirmation very late at night," said Bob Moore. "I had to drag her out
of bed, and she just started laughing."

SN2008ha

What Caroline discovered is now known as SN2008ha, and it turns out to
be a very interesting object — in fact, it is an entirely new class of
supernova, never before seen.

The spectrum of the supernova was all hydrogen, which is the signature
of a classic Type I supernova. But the supernova itself was dim, far
dimmer than any Type I supernova — or indeed, any supernova of any type
— ever observed. It was about 1000 times dimmer than a typical Type I,
but was still 1000 times brighter than a typical (non-super) nova.
SN2008ha turns out to be a totally unique object.

"If a normal supernova is a nuclear bomb, then SN 2008ha is a
bunker buster," said team leader Ryan Foley, Clay fellow at the
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and first author on the
paper reporting the findings. "From one perspective, this supernova was
an underachiever, however you still wouldn't want be anywhere near the
star when it exploded."
Caroline was able to discover the object using a relatively small
telescope, but some of the most advanced telescopes in the world were
needed to determine the nature of the explosion. Data came from the
Magellan telescopes in Chile, the MMT telescope in Arizona, the Gemini
and Keck telescopes in Hawaii, and NASA's Swift satellite.

- - -

Ms. Moore will likely be someone of signicance in tomorrow's world. Some
other gals, well, the world needs maids, too.





--
"John H" wrote in message
...

Please note that Interstate 90 will be closed this weekend across
South Dakota. This closure will allow the Federal Government free
access to haul a 200 ton piece of coal to Mt. Rushmore so that
President Obama can be added to the Presidents on the monument.
--
John H

--

John Herring, rec.boat's resident racist and accident waiting to happen.

On Jun 19, 11:43*am, HK wrote:
- while others "race" motorbikes:

Teenage girl discovers new type of supernova
by Keith Pickering
Daily KOS

Fri Jun 19, 2009 at 07:33:52 AM PDT

On November 6, 2008, Caroline Moore of Warwick, New York discovered a
supernova in galaxy UGC 12682, in the constellation Pegasus.
Caroline3scopes

Caroline is 14 years old, and is the youngest person to ever discover a
supernova.

Caroline and her father Bob are part of the Puckett Observatory
Supernova Search Team. The team was founded by dedicated amateur
astronomer Tim Puckett of Georgia in 1997, and currently has several
dozen members around the world. They have an impressive record, having
racked up 191 supernova discoveries to date.

The team has four computer-automated telescopes at work in British
Columbia, Arizona, Georgia, and South Africa, collecting images of
thousands of galaxies every clear night. Thousands of galaxies, and
dozens of astronomers — that math isn't good. Often new images are
collected too fast to analyze. Sharp new eyes are always needed, so when
Caroline looked at the image of UGC 12682 last November, the photo was
already two months days old. But Caroline saw something there, just
barely, that she didn't see on the reference image of the galaxy.

* * *"I'm going to send it in. I think it's something," she told her
father. A couple nights later, her suspicions were confirmed. "We got
confirmation very late at night," said Bob Moore. "I had to drag her out
of bed, and she just started laughing."

SN2008ha

What Caroline discovered is now known as SN2008ha, and it turns out to
be a very interesting object — in fact, it is an entirely new class of
supernova, never before seen.

The spectrum of the supernova was all hydrogen, which is the signature
of a classic Type I supernova. But the supernova itself was dim, far
dimmer than any Type I supernova — or indeed, any supernova of any type
— ever observed. It was about 1000 times dimmer than a typical Type I,
but was still 1000 times brighter than a typical (non-super) nova.
SN2008ha turns out to be a totally unique object.

* * *"If a normal supernova is a nuclear bomb, then SN 2008ha is a
bunker buster," said team leader Ryan Foley, Clay fellow at the
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and first author on the
paper reporting the findings. "From one perspective, this supernova was
an underachiever, however you still wouldn't want be anywhere near the
star when it exploded."
* * *Caroline was able to discover the object using a relatively small
telescope, but some of the most advanced telescopes in the world were
needed to determine the nature of the explosion. Data came from the
Magellan telescopes in Chile, the MMT telescope in Arizona, the Gemini
and Keck telescopes in Hawaii, and NASA's Swift satellite.

- - -

Ms. Moore will likely be someone of signicance in tomorrow's world. Some
other gals, well, the world needs maids, too.

--"John H" wrote in message

...

* Please note that Interstate 90 will be closed this weekend across
* South Dakota. This closure will allow the Federal Government free
* access to haul a 200 ton piece of coal to Mt. Rushmore so that
* President Obama can be added to the Presidents on the monument.
* --
* John H

--

John Herring, rec.boat's resident racist and accident waiting to happen.

Harry, how in the world do you know what the girls hobbies are? She
could very likely race motorcycles. My daughter, a gifted straight A
student actually still has a life outside of academics. Right now
she's at camp for a week doing very dangerous things like riding
horses, making and using giant slip and slides, swimming, running,
etc. She has several hobbies that, although a very bright and studious
young lady, has nothing to do with education. No wonder your kids
won't have anything to do with you.

On Jun 19, 11:43*am, HK wrote:
- while others "race" motorbikes:

Teenage girl discovers new type of supernova
by Keith Pickering
Daily KOS

Fri Jun 19, 2009 at 07:33:52 AM PDT

On November 6, 2008, Caroline Moore of Warwick, New York discovered a
supernova in galaxy UGC 12682, in the constellation Pegasus.
Caroline3scopes

Caroline is 14 years old, and is the youngest person to ever discover a
supernova.

Caroline and her father Bob are part of the Puckett Observatory
Supernova Search Team. The team was founded by dedicated amateur
astronomer Tim Puckett of Georgia in 1997, and currently has several
dozen members around the world. They have an impressive record, having
racked up 191 supernova discoveries to date.

The team has four computer-automated telescopes at work in British
Columbia, Arizona, Georgia, and South Africa, collecting images of
thousands of galaxies every clear night. Thousands of galaxies, and
dozens of astronomers — that math isn't good. Often new images are
collected too fast to analyze. Sharp new eyes are always needed, so when
Caroline looked at the image of UGC 12682 last November, the photo was
already two months days old. But Caroline saw something there, just
barely, that she didn't see on the reference image of the galaxy.

* * *"I'm going to send it in. I think it's something," she told her
father. A couple nights later, her suspicions were confirmed. "We got
confirmation very late at night," said Bob Moore. "I had to drag her out
of bed, and she just started laughing."

SN2008ha

What Caroline discovered is now known as SN2008ha, and it turns out to
be a very interesting object — in fact, it is an entirely new class of
supernova, never before seen.

The spectrum of the supernova was all hydrogen, which is the signature
of a classic Type I supernova. But the supernova itself was dim, far
dimmer than any Type I supernova — or indeed, any supernova of any type
— ever observed. It was about 1000 times dimmer than a typical Type I,
but was still 1000 times brighter than a typical (non-super) nova.
SN2008ha turns out to be a totally unique object.

* * *"If a normal supernova is a nuclear bomb, then SN 2008ha is a
bunker buster," said team leader Ryan Foley, Clay fellow at the
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and first author on the
paper reporting the findings. "From one perspective, this supernova was
an underachiever, however you still wouldn't want be anywhere near the
star when it exploded."
* * *Caroline was able to discover the object using a relatively small
telescope, but some of the most advanced telescopes in the world were
needed to determine the nature of the explosion. Data came from the
Magellan telescopes in Chile, the MMT telescope in Arizona, the Gemini
and Keck telescopes in Hawaii, and NASA's Swift satellite.

- - -

Ms. Moore will likely be someone of signicance in tomorrow's world. Some
other gals, well, the world needs maids, too.

--"John H" wrote in message

...

* Please note that Interstate 90 will be closed this weekend across
* South Dakota. This closure will allow the Federal Government free
* access to haul a 200 ton piece of coal to Mt. Rushmore so that
* President Obama can be added to the Presidents on the monument.
* --
* John H

--

John Herring, rec.boat's resident racist and accident waiting to happen.

Do they still use "Blink comparators". This was a method where they
would have two apparently identical photographs of the same sky
region. The photos would be flashed quickly in front of you, first
one and then the other rapidly over and over a few times. Any
variation would appear to stand out as a blinking object.
I am surprised they rely on humans at all for this nowadays because
the Astronomical CCD software I have (I do not use it for astronomy)
allows one to subtract two images to accomplish the same thing. It is
really amazing that amateur CCD cameras and software has given amateur
astronomers more capability than pros of 20 years ago with huge
telescopes.

Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 19, 11:43 am, HK wrote:
- while others "race" motorbikes:

Teenage girl discovers new type of supernova
by Keith Pickering
Daily KOS

Fri Jun 19, 2009 at 07:33:52 AM PDT

On November 6, 2008, Caroline Moore of Warwick, New York discovered a
supernova in galaxy UGC 12682, in the constellation Pegasus.
Caroline3scopes

Caroline is 14 years old, and is the youngest person to ever discover a
supernova.

Caroline and her father Bob are part of the Puckett Observatory
Supernova Search Team. The team was founded by dedicated amateur
astronomer Tim Puckett of Georgia in 1997, and currently has several
dozen members around the world. They have an impressive record, having
racked up 191 supernova discoveries to date.

The team has four computer-automated telescopes at work in British
Columbia, Arizona, Georgia, and South Africa, collecting images of
thousands of galaxies every clear night. Thousands of galaxies, and
dozens of astronomers — that math isn't good. Often new images are
collected too fast to analyze. Sharp new eyes are always needed, so when
Caroline looked at the image of UGC 12682 last November, the photo was
already two months days old. But Caroline saw something there, just
barely, that she didn't see on the reference image of the galaxy.

"I'm going to send it in. I think it's something," she told her
father. A couple nights later, her suspicions were confirmed. "We got
confirmation very late at night," said Bob Moore. "I had to drag her out
of bed, and she just started laughing."

SN2008ha

What Caroline discovered is now known as SN2008ha, and it turns out to
be a very interesting object — in fact, it is an entirely new class of
supernova, never before seen.

The spectrum of the supernova was all hydrogen, which is the signature
of a classic Type I supernova. But the supernova itself was dim, far
dimmer than any Type I supernova — or indeed, any supernova of any type
— ever observed. It was about 1000 times dimmer than a typical Type I,
but was still 1000 times brighter than a typical (non-super) nova.
SN2008ha turns out to be a totally unique object.

"If a normal supernova is a nuclear bomb, then SN 2008ha is a
bunker buster," said team leader Ryan Foley, Clay fellow at the
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and first author on the
paper reporting the findings. "From one perspective, this supernova was
an underachiever, however you still wouldn't want be anywhere near the
star when it exploded."
Caroline was able to discover the object using a relatively small
telescope, but some of the most advanced telescopes in the world were
needed to determine the nature of the explosion. Data came from the
Magellan telescopes in Chile, the MMT telescope in Arizona, the Gemini
and Keck telescopes in Hawaii, and NASA's Swift satellite.

- - -

Ms. Moore will likely be someone of signicance in tomorrow's world. Some
other gals, well, the world needs maids, too.


Do they still use "Blink comparators". This was a method where they
would have two apparently identical photographs of the same sky
region. The photos would be flashed quickly in front of you, first
one and then the other rapidly over and over a few times. Any
variation would appear to stand out as a blinking object.
I am surprised they rely on humans at all for this nowadays because
the Astronomical CCD software I have (I do not use it for astronomy)
allows one to subtract two images to accomplish the same thing. It is
really amazing that amateur CCD cameras and software has given amateur
astronomers more capability than pros of 20 years ago with huge
telescopes.


Froggy, I don't know any more than what the news article said. What was
impressive to me was the human element, the 14-year-old girl. But I also
am impressed by spelling bee champs, geography champs, the old GE
College Bowl, Jeopardy, and the pro baseball players of my youth and
young adulthood.





--
"John H" wrote in message
...

Please note that Interstate 90 will be closed this weekend across
South Dakota. This closure will allow the Federal Government free
access to haul a 200 ton piece of coal to Mt. Rushmore so that
President Obama can be added to the Presidents on the monument.
--
John H

--

John Herring, rec.boat's resident racist.

Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:23 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 19, 11:43 am, HK wrote:
- while others "race" motorbikes:
Teenage girl discovers new type of supernova
by Keith Pickering
Daily KOS
Fri Jun 19, 2009 at 07:33:52 AM PDT
On November 6, 2008, Caroline Moore of Warwick, New York discovered a
supernova in galaxy UGC 12682, in the constellation Pegasus.
Caroline3scopes
Caroline is 14 years old, and is the youngest person to ever discover a
supernova.
Caroline and her father Bob are part of the Puckett Observatory
Supernova Search Team. The team was founded by dedicated amateur
astronomer Tim Puckett of Georgia in 1997, and currently has several
dozen members around the world. They have an impressive record, having
racked up 191 supernova discoveries to date.
The team has four computer-automated telescopes at work in British
Columbia, Arizona, Georgia, and South Africa, collecting images of
thousands of galaxies every clear night. Thousands of galaxies, and
dozens of astronomers — that math isn't good. Often new images are
collected too fast to analyze. Sharp new eyes are always needed, so when
Caroline looked at the image of UGC 12682 last November, the photo was
already two months days old. But Caroline saw something there, just
barely, that she didn't see on the reference image of the galaxy.
"I'm going to send it in. I think it's something," she told her
father. A couple nights later, her suspicions were confirmed. "We got
confirmation very late at night," said Bob Moore. "I had to drag her out
of bed, and she just started laughing."
SN2008ha
What Caroline discovered is now known as SN2008ha, and it turns out to
be a very interesting object — in fact, it is an entirely new class of
supernova, never before seen.
The spectrum of the supernova was all hydrogen, which is the signature
of a classic Type I supernova. But the supernova itself was dim, far
dimmer than any Type I supernova — or indeed, any supernova of any type
— ever observed. It was about 1000 times dimmer than a typical Type I,
but was still 1000 times brighter than a typical (non-super) nova.
SN2008ha turns out to be a totally unique object.
"If a normal supernova is a nuclear bomb, then SN 2008ha is a
bunker buster," said team leader Ryan Foley, Clay fellow at the
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and first author on the
paper reporting the findings. "From one perspective, this supernova was
an underachiever, however you still wouldn't want be anywhere near the
star when it exploded."
Caroline was able to discover the object using a relatively small
telescope, but some of the most advanced telescopes in the world were
needed to determine the nature of the explosion. Data came from the
Magellan telescopes in Chile, the MMT telescope in Arizona, the Gemini
and Keck telescopes in Hawaii, and NASA's Swift satellite.
- - -
Ms. Moore will likely be someone of signicance in tomorrow's world. Some
other gals, well, the world needs maids, too.
Do they still use "Blink comparators". This was a method where they
would have two apparently identical photographs of the same sky
region. The photos would be flashed quickly in front of you, first
one and then the other rapidly over and over a few times. Any
variation would appear to stand out as a blinking object.
I am surprised they rely on humans at all for this nowadays because
the Astronomical CCD software I have (I do not use it for astronomy)
allows one to subtract two images to accomplish the same thing. It is
really amazing that amateur CCD cameras and software has given amateur
astronomers more capability than pros of 20 years ago with huge
telescopes.
Froggy, I don't know any more than what the news article said. What was
impressive to me was the human element, the 14-year-old girl. But I also
am impressed by spelling bee champs, geography champs, the old GE
College Bowl, Jeopardy, and the pro baseball players of my youth and
young adulthood.

--"John H" wrote in message

...

Please note that Interstate 90 will be closed this weekend across
South Dakota. This closure will allow the Federal Government free
access to haul a 200 ton piece of coal to Mt. Rushmore so that
President Obama can be added to the Presidents on the monument.
--
John H

--

John Herring, rec.boat's resident racist.

I have two daughters, one almost 23 and one almost 13 and both are
scientifically inclined. My oldest was an "A" student at top of her
class national Merit Finalist, etc. She is about to graduate with a
BS in Biology but she needs somebody to show her what research to do.
She is good but not that original.
My youngest is the opposite, a mediocre student, off in her own little
world, figures things out entirely on her own, takes my tools more
than my son ever did. She came up with her Tannin approach to
Hydrilla control entirely on her own and amazed me when she was right.
Who will be the better scientist? I say both are needed. The world
needs those like my youngest who comes up with stuff out of the blue
but cannot concentrate long enough to do the grunt work but also needs
them like my eldest who is methodical to nail down whether a theory is
correct.


Wouldn't it be better for the older daughter to work through an M.S. and
discover what research might be valuable to undertake? What sort of
research opportunities are available to biologists with only a B.S.?

Seems to me a spark of imagination coupled with heavy doses of tenacity
and methodology are the ingredients needed for valuable research.














--
"John H" wrote in message
...

Please note that Interstate 90 will be closed this weekend across
South Dakota. This closure will allow the Federal Government free
access to haul a 200 ton piece of coal to Mt. Rushmore so that
President Obama can be added to the Presidents on the monument.
--
John H

--

John Herring, rec.boat's resident racist.

On Jun 19, 2:03*pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:23 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 19, 11:43 am, HK wrote:
- while others "race" motorbikes:
Teenage girl discovers new type of supernova
by Keith Pickering
Daily KOS
Fri Jun 19, 2009 at 07:33:52 AM PDT
On November 6, 2008, Caroline Moore of Warwick, New York discovered a
supernova in galaxy UGC 12682, in the constellation Pegasus.
Caroline3scopes
Caroline is 14 years old, and is the youngest person to ever discover a
supernova.
Caroline and her father Bob are part of the Puckett Observatory
Supernova Search Team. The team was founded by dedicated amateur
astronomer Tim Puckett of Georgia in 1997, and currently has several
dozen members around the world. They have an impressive record, having
racked up 191 supernova discoveries to date.
The team has four computer-automated telescopes at work in British
Columbia, Arizona, Georgia, and South Africa, collecting images of
thousands of galaxies every clear night. Thousands of galaxies, and
dozens of astronomers — that math isn't good. Often new images are
collected too fast to analyze. Sharp new eyes are always needed, so when
Caroline looked at the image of UGC 12682 last November, the photo was
already two months days old. But Caroline saw something there, just
barely, that she didn't see on the reference image of the galaxy.
* * *"I'm going to send it in. I think it's something," she told her
father. A couple nights later, her suspicions were confirmed. "We got
confirmation very late at night," said Bob Moore. "I had to drag her out
of bed, and she just started laughing."
SN2008ha
What Caroline discovered is now known as SN2008ha, and it turns out to
be a very interesting object — in fact, it is an entirely new class of
supernova, never before seen.
The spectrum of the supernova was all hydrogen, which is the signature
of a classic Type I supernova. But the supernova itself was dim, far
dimmer than any Type I supernova — or indeed, any supernova of any type
— ever observed. It was about 1000 times dimmer than a typical Type I,
but was still 1000 times brighter than a typical (non-super) nova.
SN2008ha turns out to be a totally unique object.
* * *"If a normal supernova is a nuclear bomb, then SN 2008ha is a
bunker buster," said team leader Ryan Foley, Clay fellow at the
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and first author on the
paper reporting the findings. "From one perspective, this supernova was
an underachiever, however you still wouldn't want be anywhere near the
star when it exploded."
* * *Caroline was able to discover the object using a relatively small
telescope, but some of the most advanced telescopes in the world were
needed to determine the nature of the explosion. Data came from the
Magellan telescopes in Chile, the MMT telescope in Arizona, the Gemini
and Keck telescopes in Hawaii, and NASA's Swift satellite.
- - -
Ms. Moore will likely be someone of signicance in tomorrow's world. Some
other gals, well, the world needs maids, too.
Do they still use "Blink comparators". *This was a method where they
would have two apparently identical photographs of the same sky
region. *The photos would be flashed quickly in front of you, first
one and then the other rapidly over and over a few times. *Any
variation would appear to stand out as a blinking object.
I am surprised they rely on humans at all for this nowadays because
the Astronomical CCD software I have (I do not use it for astronomy)
allows one to subtract two images to accomplish the same thing. *It is
really amazing that amateur CCD cameras and software has given amateur
astronomers more capability than pros of 20 years ago with huge
telescopes.
Froggy, I don't know any more than what the news article said. What was
impressive to me was the human element, the 14-year-old girl. But I also
am impressed by spelling bee champs, geography champs, the old GE
College Bowl, Jeopardy, and the pro baseball players of my youth and
young adulthood.

--"John H" wrote in message

. ..

* Please note that Interstate 90 will be closed this weekend across
* South Dakota. This closure will allow the Federal Government free
* access to haul a 200 ton piece of coal to Mt. Rushmore so that
* President Obama can be added to the Presidents on the monument.
* --
* John H

--

John Herring, rec.boat's resident racist.

* I have two daughters, one almost 23 and one almost 13 and both are
scientifically inclined. *My oldest was an "A" student at top of her
class national Merit Finalist, etc. *She is about to graduate with a
BS in Biology but she needs somebody to show her what research to do.
She is good but not that original.
My youngest is the opposite, a mediocre student, off in her own little
world, figures things out entirely on her own, takes my tools more
than my son ever did. *She came up with her Tannin approach to
Hydrilla control entirely on her own and amazed me when she was right.
Who will be the better scientist? *I say both are needed. *The world
needs those like my youngest who comes up with stuff out of the blue
but cannot concentrate long enough to do the grunt work but also needs
them like my eldest who is methodical to nail down whether a theory is
correct.

Wouldn't it be better for the older daughter to work through an M.S. and
discover what research might be valuable to undertake? What sort of
research opportunities are available to biologists with only a B.S.?

Seems to me a spark of imagination coupled with heavy doses of tenacity
and methodology are the ingredients needed for valuable research.


Depends on the research, dummy. A lot of research needs the opposite,
in that it's better to NOT use imagination. Blind study. Keeps from
tainting the data pool.

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:23 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 19, 11:43 am, HK wrote:
- while others "race" motorbikes:
Teenage girl discovers new type of supernova
by Keith Pickering
Daily KOS
Fri Jun 19, 2009 at 07:33:52 AM PDT
On November 6, 2008, Caroline Moore of Warwick, New York discovered a
supernova in galaxy UGC 12682, in the constellation Pegasus.
Caroline3scopes
Caroline is 14 years old, and is the youngest person to ever discover
a
supernova.
Caroline and her father Bob are part of the Puckett Observatory
Supernova Search Team. The team was founded by dedicated amateur
astronomer Tim Puckett of Georgia in 1997, and currently has several
dozen members around the world. They have an impressive record, having
racked up 191 supernova discoveries to date.
The team has four computer-automated telescopes at work in British
Columbia, Arizona, Georgia, and South Africa, collecting images of
thousands of galaxies every clear night. Thousands of galaxies, and
dozens of astronomers — that math isn't good. Often new images are
collected too fast to analyze. Sharp new eyes are always needed, so
when
Caroline looked at the image of UGC 12682 last November, the photo was
already two months days old. But Caroline saw something there, just
barely, that she didn't see on the reference image of the galaxy.
"I'm going to send it in. I think it's something," she told her
father. A couple nights later, her suspicions were confirmed. "We got
confirmation very late at night," said Bob Moore. "I had to drag her
out
of bed, and she just started laughing."
SN2008ha
What Caroline discovered is now known as SN2008ha, and it turns out to
be a very interesting object — in fact, it is an entirely new class of
supernova, never before seen.
The spectrum of the supernova was all hydrogen, which is the signature
of a classic Type I supernova. But the supernova itself was dim, far
dimmer than any Type I supernova — or indeed, any supernova of any
type
— ever observed. It was about 1000 times dimmer than a typical Type I,
but was still 1000 times brighter than a typical (non-super) nova.
SN2008ha turns out to be a totally unique object.
"If a normal supernova is a nuclear bomb, then SN 2008ha is a
bunker buster," said team leader Ryan Foley, Clay fellow at the
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and first author on the
paper reporting the findings. "From one perspective, this supernova
was
an underachiever, however you still wouldn't want be anywhere near the
star when it exploded."
Caroline was able to discover the object using a relatively small
telescope, but some of the most advanced telescopes in the world were
needed to determine the nature of the explosion. Data came from the
Magellan telescopes in Chile, the MMT telescope in Arizona, the Gemini
and Keck telescopes in Hawaii, and NASA's Swift satellite.
- - -
Ms. Moore will likely be someone of signicance in tomorrow's world.
Some
other gals, well, the world needs maids, too.
Do they still use "Blink comparators". This was a method where they
would have two apparently identical photographs of the same sky
region. The photos would be flashed quickly in front of you, first
one and then the other rapidly over and over a few times. Any
variation would appear to stand out as a blinking object.
I am surprised they rely on humans at all for this nowadays because
the Astronomical CCD software I have (I do not use it for astronomy)
allows one to subtract two images to accomplish the same thing. It is
really amazing that amateur CCD cameras and software has given amateur
astronomers more capability than pros of 20 years ago with huge
telescopes.
Froggy, I don't know any more than what the news article said. What was
impressive to me was the human element, the 14-year-old girl. But I also
am impressed by spelling bee champs, geography champs, the old GE
College Bowl, Jeopardy, and the pro baseball players of my youth and
young adulthood.

--"John H" wrote in message

...

Please note that Interstate 90 will be closed this weekend across
South Dakota. This closure will allow the Federal Government free
access to haul a 200 ton piece of coal to Mt. Rushmore so that
President Obama can be added to the Presidents on the monument.
--
John H

--

John Herring, rec.boat's resident racist.

I have two daughters, one almost 23 and one almost 13 and both are
scientifically inclined. My oldest was an "A" student at top of her
class national Merit Finalist, etc. She is about to graduate with a
BS in Biology but she needs somebody to show her what research to do.
She is good but not that original.
My youngest is the opposite, a mediocre student, off in her own little
world, figures things out entirely on her own, takes my tools more
than my son ever did. She came up with her Tannin approach to
Hydrilla control entirely on her own and amazed me when she was right.
Who will be the better scientist? I say both are needed. The world
needs those like my youngest who comes up with stuff out of the blue
but cannot concentrate long enough to do the grunt work but also needs
them like my eldest who is methodical to nail down whether a theory is
correct.


Wouldn't it be better for the older daughter to work through an M.S. and
discover what research might be valuable to undertake? What sort of
research opportunities are available to biologists with only a B.S.?

Seems to me a spark of imagination coupled with heavy doses of tenacity
and methodology are the ingredients needed for valuable research.



Once again, you prove yourself to be the drooling village idiot.

--Mike

mgg wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:23 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 19, 11:43 am, HK wrote:
- while others "race" motorbikes:
Teenage girl discovers new type of supernova
by Keith Pickering
Daily KOS
Fri Jun 19, 2009 at 07:33:52 AM PDT
On November 6, 2008, Caroline Moore of Warwick, New York discovered a
supernova in galaxy UGC 12682, in the constellation Pegasus.
Caroline3scopes
Caroline is 14 years old, and is the youngest person to ever discover
a
supernova.
Caroline and her father Bob are part of the Puckett Observatory
Supernova Search Team. The team was founded by dedicated amateur
astronomer Tim Puckett of Georgia in 1997, and currently has several
dozen members around the world. They have an impressive record, having
racked up 191 supernova discoveries to date.
The team has four computer-automated telescopes at work in British
Columbia, Arizona, Georgia, and South Africa, collecting images of
thousands of galaxies every clear night. Thousands of galaxies, and
dozens of astronomers — that math isn't good. Often new images are
collected too fast to analyze. Sharp new eyes are always needed, so
when
Caroline looked at the image of UGC 12682 last November, the photo was
already two months days old. But Caroline saw something there, just
barely, that she didn't see on the reference image of the galaxy.
"I'm going to send it in. I think it's something," she told her
father. A couple nights later, her suspicions were confirmed. "We got
confirmation very late at night," said Bob Moore. "I had to drag her
out
of bed, and she just started laughing."
SN2008ha
What Caroline discovered is now known as SN2008ha, and it turns out to
be a very interesting object — in fact, it is an entirely new class of
supernova, never before seen.
The spectrum of the supernova was all hydrogen, which is the signature
of a classic Type I supernova. But the supernova itself was dim, far
dimmer than any Type I supernova — or indeed, any supernova of any
type
— ever observed. It was about 1000 times dimmer than a typical Type I,
but was still 1000 times brighter than a typical (non-super) nova.
SN2008ha turns out to be a totally unique object.
"If a normal supernova is a nuclear bomb, then SN 2008ha is a
bunker buster," said team leader Ryan Foley, Clay fellow at the
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and first author on the
paper reporting the findings. "From one perspective, this supernova
was
an underachiever, however you still wouldn't want be anywhere near the
star when it exploded."
Caroline was able to discover the object using a relatively small
telescope, but some of the most advanced telescopes in the world were
needed to determine the nature of the explosion. Data came from the
Magellan telescopes in Chile, the MMT telescope in Arizona, the Gemini
and Keck telescopes in Hawaii, and NASA's Swift satellite.
- - -
Ms. Moore will likely be someone of signicance in tomorrow's world.
Some
other gals, well, the world needs maids, too.
Do they still use "Blink comparators". This was a method where they
would have two apparently identical photographs of the same sky
region. The photos would be flashed quickly in front of you, first
one and then the other rapidly over and over a few times. Any
variation would appear to stand out as a blinking object.
I am surprised they rely on humans at all for this nowadays because
the Astronomical CCD software I have (I do not use it for astronomy)
allows one to subtract two images to accomplish the same thing. It is
really amazing that amateur CCD cameras and software has given amateur
astronomers more capability than pros of 20 years ago with huge
telescopes.
Froggy, I don't know any more than what the news article said. What was
impressive to me was the human element, the 14-year-old girl. But I also
am impressed by spelling bee champs, geography champs, the old GE
College Bowl, Jeopardy, and the pro baseball players of my youth and
young adulthood.

--"John H" wrote in message

...

Please note that Interstate 90 will be closed this weekend across
South Dakota. This closure will allow the Federal Government free
access to haul a 200 ton piece of coal to Mt. Rushmore so that
President Obama can be added to the Presidents on the monument.
--
John H

--

John Herring, rec.boat's resident racist.
I have two daughters, one almost 23 and one almost 13 and both are
scientifically inclined. My oldest was an "A" student at top of her
class national Merit Finalist, etc. She is about to graduate with a
BS in Biology but she needs somebody to show her what research to do.
She is good but not that original.
My youngest is the opposite, a mediocre student, off in her own little
world, figures things out entirely on her own, takes my tools more
than my son ever did. She came up with her Tannin approach to
Hydrilla control entirely on her own and amazed me when she was right.
Who will be the better scientist? I say both are needed. The world
needs those like my youngest who comes up with stuff out of the blue
but cannot concentrate long enough to do the grunt work but also needs
them like my eldest who is methodical to nail down whether a theory is
correct.

Wouldn't it be better for the older daughter to work through an M.S. and
discover what research might be valuable to undertake? What sort of
research opportunities are available to biologists with only a B.S.?

Seems to me a spark of imagination coupled with heavy doses of tenacity
and methodology are the ingredients needed for valuable research.



Once again, you prove yourself to be the drooling village idiot.

--Mike


Harry is so busy being everyone else's guiding light that he has
completely forgotten that his life is in a ditch.

On Jun 20, 6:49*am, Jim24242 wrote:
mgg wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
om...
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:23 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 19, 11:43 am, HK wrote:
- while others "race" motorbikes:
Teenage girl discovers new type of supernova
by Keith Pickering
Daily KOS
Fri Jun 19, 2009 at 07:33:52 AM PDT
On November 6, 2008, Caroline Moore of Warwick, New York discovered a
supernova in galaxy UGC 12682, in the constellation Pegasus.
Caroline3scopes
Caroline is 14 years old, and is the youngest person to ever discover
a
supernova.
Caroline and her father Bob are part of the Puckett Observatory
Supernova Search Team. The team was founded by dedicated amateur
astronomer Tim Puckett of Georgia in 1997, and currently has several
dozen members around the world. They have an impressive record, having
racked up 191 supernova discoveries to date.
The team has four computer-automated telescopes at work in British
Columbia, Arizona, Georgia, and South Africa, collecting images of
thousands of galaxies every clear night. Thousands of galaxies, and
dozens of astronomers — that math isn't good. Often new images are
collected too fast to analyze. Sharp new eyes are always needed, so
when
Caroline looked at the image of UGC 12682 last November, the photo was
already two months days old. But Caroline saw something there, just
barely, that she didn't see on the reference image of the galaxy.
* * *"I'm going to send it in. I think it's something," she told her
father. A couple nights later, her suspicions were confirmed. "We got
confirmation very late at night," said Bob Moore. "I had to drag her
out
of bed, and she just started laughing."
SN2008ha
What Caroline discovered is now known as SN2008ha, and it turns out to
be a very interesting object — in fact, it is an entirely new class of
supernova, never before seen.
The spectrum of the supernova was all hydrogen, which is the signature
of a classic Type I supernova. But the supernova itself was dim, far
dimmer than any Type I supernova — or indeed, any supernova of any
type
— ever observed. It was about 1000 times dimmer than a typical Type I,
but was still 1000 times brighter than a typical (non-super) nova.
SN2008ha turns out to be a totally unique object.
* * *"If a normal supernova is a nuclear bomb, then SN 2008ha is a
bunker buster," said team leader Ryan Foley, Clay fellow at the
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and first author on the
paper reporting the findings. "From one perspective, this supernova
was
an underachiever, however you still wouldn't want be anywhere near the
star when it exploded."
* * *Caroline was able to discover the object using a relatively small
telescope, but some of the most advanced telescopes in the world were
needed to determine the nature of the explosion. Data came from the
Magellan telescopes in Chile, the MMT telescope in Arizona, the Gemini
and Keck telescopes in Hawaii, and NASA's Swift satellite.
- - -
Ms. Moore will likely be someone of signicance in tomorrow's world..
Some
other gals, well, the world needs maids, too.
Do they still use "Blink comparators". *This was a method where they
would have two apparently identical photographs of the same sky
region. *The photos would be flashed quickly in front of you, first
one and then the other rapidly over and over a few times. *Any
variation would appear to stand out as a blinking object.
I am surprised they rely on humans at all for this nowadays because
the Astronomical CCD software I have (I do not use it for astronomy)
allows one to subtract two images to accomplish the same thing. *It is
really amazing that amateur CCD cameras and software has given amateur
astronomers more capability than pros of 20 years ago with huge
telescopes.
Froggy, I don't know any more than what the news article said. What was
impressive to me was the human element, the 14-year-old girl. But I also
am impressed by spelling bee champs, geography champs, the old GE
College Bowl, Jeopardy, and the pro baseball players of my youth and
young adulthood.

--"John H" wrote in message

m...

* Please note that Interstate 90 will be closed this weekend across
* South Dakota. This closure will allow the Federal Government free
* access to haul a 200 ton piece of coal to Mt. Rushmore so that
* President Obama can be added to the Presidents on the monument.
* --
* John H

--

John Herring, rec.boat's resident racist.
* I have two daughters, one almost 23 and one almost 13 and both are
scientifically inclined. *My oldest was an "A" student at top of her
class national Merit Finalist, etc. *She is about to graduate with a
BS in Biology but she needs somebody to show her what research to do.
She is good but not that original.
My youngest is the opposite, a mediocre student, off in her own little
world, figures things out entirely on her own, takes my tools more
than my son ever did. *She came up with her Tannin approach to
Hydrilla control entirely on her own and amazed me when she was right..
Who will be the better scientist? *I say both are needed. *The world
needs those like my youngest who comes up with stuff out of the blue
but cannot concentrate long enough to do the grunt work but also needs
them like my eldest who is methodical to nail down whether a theory is
correct.

Wouldn't it be better for the older daughter to work through an M.S. and
discover what research might be valuable to undertake? What sort of
research opportunities are available to biologists with only a B.S.?

Seems to me a spark of imagination coupled with heavy doses of tenacity
and methodology are the ingredients needed for valuable research.

Once again, you prove yourself to be the drooling village idiot.

--Mike

Harry is so busy being everyone else's guiding light that he has
completely forgotten that his life is in a ditch.

HK, she is going to grad school.

Katie Ohara wrote:
On Jun 20, 6:49 am, Jim24242 wrote:
mgg wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 19, 12:23 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 19, 11:43 am, HK wrote:
- while others "race" motorbikes:
Teenage girl discovers new type of supernova
by Keith Pickering
Daily KOS
Fri Jun 19, 2009 at 07:33:52 AM PDT
On November 6, 2008, Caroline Moore of Warwick, New York discovered a
supernova in galaxy UGC 12682, in the constellation Pegasus.
Caroline3scopes
Caroline is 14 years old, and is the youngest person to ever discover
a
supernova.
Caroline and her father Bob are part of the Puckett Observatory
Supernova Search Team. The team was founded by dedicated amateur
astronomer Tim Puckett of Georgia in 1997, and currently has several
dozen members around the world. They have an impressive record, having
racked up 191 supernova discoveries to date.
The team has four computer-automated telescopes at work in British
Columbia, Arizona, Georgia, and South Africa, collecting images of
thousands of galaxies every clear night. Thousands of galaxies, and
dozens of astronomers — that math isn't good. Often new images are
collected too fast to analyze. Sharp new eyes are always needed, so
when
Caroline looked at the image of UGC 12682 last November, the photo was
already two months days old. But Caroline saw something there, just
barely, that she didn't see on the reference image of the galaxy.
"I'm going to send it in. I think it's something," she told her
father. A couple nights later, her suspicions were confirmed. "We got
confirmation very late at night," said Bob Moore. "I had to drag her
out
of bed, and she just started laughing."
SN2008ha
What Caroline discovered is now known as SN2008ha, and it turns out to
be a very interesting object — in fact, it is an entirely new class of
supernova, never before seen.
The spectrum of the supernova was all hydrogen, which is the signature
of a classic Type I supernova. But the supernova itself was dim, far
dimmer than any Type I supernova — or indeed, any supernova of any
type
— ever observed. It was about 1000 times dimmer than a typical Type I,
but was still 1000 times brighter than a typical (non-super) nova.
SN2008ha turns out to be a totally unique object.
"If a normal supernova is a nuclear bomb, then SN 2008ha is a
bunker buster," said team leader Ryan Foley, Clay fellow at the
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and first author on the
paper reporting the findings. "From one perspective, this supernova
was
an underachiever, however you still wouldn't want be anywhere near the
star when it exploded."
Caroline was able to discover the object using a relatively small
telescope, but some of the most advanced telescopes in the world were
needed to determine the nature of the explosion. Data came from the
Magellan telescopes in Chile, the MMT telescope in Arizona, the Gemini
and Keck telescopes in Hawaii, and NASA's Swift satellite.
- - -
Ms. Moore will likely be someone of signicance in tomorrow's world.
Some
other gals, well, the world needs maids, too.
Do they still use "Blink comparators". This was a method where they
would have two apparently identical photographs of the same sky
region. The photos would be flashed quickly in front of you, first
one and then the other rapidly over and over a few times. Any
variation would appear to stand out as a blinking object.
I am surprised they rely on humans at all for this nowadays because
the Astronomical CCD software I have (I do not use it for astronomy)
allows one to subtract two images to accomplish the same thing. It is
really amazing that amateur CCD cameras and software has given amateur
astronomers more capability than pros of 20 years ago with huge
telescopes.
Froggy, I don't know any more than what the news article said. What was
impressive to me was the human element, the 14-year-old girl. But I also
am impressed by spelling bee champs, geography champs, the old GE
College Bowl, Jeopardy, and the pro baseball players of my youth and
young adulthood.
--"John H" wrote in message
...
Please note that Interstate 90 will be closed this weekend across
South Dakota. This closure will allow the Federal Government free
access to haul a 200 ton piece of coal to Mt. Rushmore so that
President Obama can be added to the Presidents on the monument.
--
John H
--
John Herring, rec.boat's resident racist.
I have two daughters, one almost 23 and one almost 13 and both are
scientifically inclined. My oldest was an "A" student at top of her
class national Merit Finalist, etc. She is about to graduate with a
BS in Biology but she needs somebody to show her what research to do.
She is good but not that original.
My youngest is the opposite, a mediocre student, off in her own little
world, figures things out entirely on her own, takes my tools more
than my son ever did. She came up with her Tannin approach to
Hydrilla control entirely on her own and amazed me when she was right.
Who will be the better scientist? I say both are needed. The world
needs those like my youngest who comes up with stuff out of the blue
but cannot concentrate long enough to do the grunt work but also needs
them like my eldest who is methodical to nail down whether a theory is
correct.
Wouldn't it be better for the older daughter to work through an M.S. and
discover what research might be valuable to undertake? What sort of
research opportunities are available to biologists with only a B.S.?
Seems to me a spark of imagination coupled with heavy doses of tenacity
and methodology are the ingredients needed for valuable research.
Once again, you prove yourself to be the drooling village idiot.
--Mike
Harry is so busy being everyone else's guiding light that he has
completely forgotten that his life is in a ditch.

HK, she is going to grad school.


Good.