On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:33:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


He wouldn't give up. Kept insisting that he show me all the options. I
kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) that I didn't
need or want to learn about all the feature. Don't need them.

I've had the same problem with Republicans trying to sell me on
trickle down economics.

I responded with, "You are a pain in the ass and don't listen. Get out of
here; you are really starting to **** me off."

He tries again to yap about the system "features". I got up from behind
the counter. I think he saw the look in my eye because he beat feet out the
door, got in his BMW and drove off.

Wow. I have never had an experience like that.

Could you not just tell him you were late for a meeting and ushered
him out? You could have used the same tactic you used with the kid
who wanted to hang out playing guitar all day.

Maybe you should take breathing lessons from Yogi and Boo Boo (Tom and
The Freak).

jps wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:33:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


He wouldn't give up. Kept insisting that he show me all the options. I
kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) that I didn't
need or want to learn about all the feature. Don't need them.

I've had the same problem with Republicans trying to sell me on
trickle down economics.

I responded with, "You are a pain in the ass and don't listen. Get out of
here; you are really starting to **** me off."

He tries again to yap about the system "features". I got up from behind
the counter. I think he saw the look in my eye because he beat feet out the
door, got in his BMW and drove off.

Wow. I have never had an experience like that.

Could you not just tell him you were late for a meeting and ushered
him out? You could have used the same tactic you used with the kid
who wanted to hang out playing guitar all day.

Maybe you should take breathing lessons from Yogi and Boo Boo (Tom and
The Freak).


Well, the freak is the freak, and is more or less the co-performing
seal, along with his buddies loogie and herring.

Tom reminds me of one of those yahoos at the playground basketball court
who takes his ball and leaves if anyone questions him about anything,
especially after he goes overboard on something he believes or thinks he
read...somewhere.

I wonder if that's something they teach in ... the marines.

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:05:32 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Krausie hasn't aged well, sad to say. 12-14 years ago you could have a
reasonable discussion and although not in agreement, it was accomplished
without any mean spiritedness from either side, even with a few friendly
zingers thrown in once in a while.

He's slowly evolved into a crotchety, narrow minded old man. Whatever
existed as a sense of humor is long lost. Seen it many times as others
age. Lacking patience to respectfully debate or display any respect for
others, the typical response now is a personal insult or other demeaning
statement if you don't agree with or bow down to him.

Cracks me up. Predictable, but sad to see.

I sort of trace the start of his decline to Skipper's demise. Skipper
used to keep Harry constantly on the defensive with his wit and cheap
shots, and people could almost empathize with Harry because of it.
Once that situation was gone, Harry's inherent hostility had to change
from Skipper, Bayliners and Derby, Kansas and find new outlets.

Of course we are making a mistake having a public discussion about it
because Harry's ego feeds on all attention, even the negative. Better
to let his low self esteem go right out the low transom.

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:19:11 -0400, HK wrote:

jps wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:33:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


He wouldn't give up. Kept insisting that he show me all the options. I
kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) that I didn't
need or want to learn about all the feature. Don't need them.

I've had the same problem with Republicans trying to sell me on
trickle down economics.

I responded with, "You are a pain in the ass and don't listen. Get out of
here; you are really starting to **** me off."

He tries again to yap about the system "features". I got up from behind
the counter. I think he saw the look in my eye because he beat feet out the
door, got in his BMW and drove off.

Wow. I have never had an experience like that.

Could you not just tell him you were late for a meeting and ushered
him out? You could have used the same tactic you used with the kid
who wanted to hang out playing guitar all day.

Maybe you should take breathing lessons from Yogi and Boo Boo (Tom and
The Freak).


Well, the freak is the freak, and is more or less the co-performing
seal, along with his buddies loogie and herring.

Tom reminds me of one of those yahoos at the playground basketball court
who takes his ball and leaves if anyone questions him about anything,
especially after he goes overboard on something he believes or thinks he
read...somewhere.

I wonder if that's something they teach in ... the marines.

According to my father, that's not taught in the Marines.

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:10:41 -0400, HK wrote:

(Interesting journal snipped)

Life is a lot easier when you're not a hothead, Eisboch.

I don't get it. Eisboch had an asshole to deal with, not the guys you
had.
You never got hot dealing with a saleman?

--Vic

jps wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:19:11 -0400, HK wrote:

jps wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:33:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


He wouldn't give up. Kept insisting that he show me all the options. I
kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) that I didn't
need or want to learn about all the feature. Don't need them.
I've had the same problem with Republicans trying to sell me on
trickle down economics.

I responded with, "You are a pain in the ass and don't listen. Get out of
here; you are really starting to **** me off."

He tries again to yap about the system "features". I got up from behind
the counter. I think he saw the look in my eye because he beat feet out the
door, got in his BMW and drove off.
Wow. I have never had an experience like that.

Could you not just tell him you were late for a meeting and ushered
him out? You could have used the same tactic you used with the kid
who wanted to hang out playing guitar all day.

Maybe you should take breathing lessons from Yogi and Boo Boo (Tom and
The Freak).

Well, the freak is the freak, and is more or less the co-performing
seal, along with his buddies loogie and herring.

Tom reminds me of one of those yahoos at the playground basketball court
who takes his ball and leaves if anyone questions him about anything,
especially after he goes overboard on something he believes or thinks he
read...somewhere.

I wonder if that's something they teach in ... the marines.

According to my father, that's not taught in the Marines.


Well, that's a start.

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:10:41 -0400, HK wrote:

(Interesting journal snipped)
Life is a lot easier when you're not a hothead, Eisboch.

I don't get it. Eisboch had an asshole to deal with, not the guys you
had.
You never got hot dealing with a saleman?

--Vic



It's easy to shut down an overeager salesperson without losing one's cool.

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:11:11 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:33:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


He wouldn't give up. Kept insisting that he show me all the options. I
kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) that I didn't
need or want to learn about all the feature. Don't need them.

I've had the same problem with Republicans trying to sell me on
trickle down economics.

I responded with, "You are a pain in the ass and don't listen. Get out of
here; you are really starting to **** me off."

He tries again to yap about the system "features". I got up from behind
the counter. I think he saw the look in my eye because he beat feet out the
door, got in his BMW and drove off.

Wow. I have never had an experience like that.

Could you not just tell him you were late for a meeting and ushered
him out? You could have used the same tactic you used with the kid
who wanted to hang out playing guitar all day.

What fun would that be? Though it's happened only twice to me, those
2 salesmen didn't understand anything except the threat of physical
removal. Besides, they were so obnoxious that's what they fully
deserved.
One of my favorite lines is from Unforgiven, where the kid says to
Eastwood, about the cowboys they killed, "They had it coming, didn't
they?"
He replied "We all got it coming, kid."
Aside from deeper meanings, that's always true for some salesmen.
What, nobody makes you mad? Sure as hell don't get that impression
here.

--Vic

Eisboch wrote:

"Jim2424242" wrote in message
...

HK wrote:


I'm sorry life is so difficult for you.

Why so much vitriol today Krausie. Do you feel you have been unjustly
abused, lately?


Krausie hasn't aged well, sad to say. 12-14 years ago you could have a
reasonable discussion and although not in agreement, it was accomplished
without any mean spiritedness from either side, even with a few friendly
zingers thrown in once in a while.

He's slowly evolved into a crotchety, narrow minded old man. Whatever
existed as a sense of humor is long lost. Seen it many times as others
age. Lacking patience to respectfully debate or display any respect for
others, the typical response now is a personal insult or other demeaning
statement if you don't agree with or bow down to him.

Cracks me up. Predictable, but sad to see.

He'll now come back with the standard, "This isn't a boating newsgroup
anymore" or blame everything on a half dozen "right wing"
conservatives. Might even toss a bit of blame on GWB, just for good
measure, along with anyone who acknowledges a religious faith.

Eisboch

Yup!

HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
I had a security (alarm) system installed yesterday. The sales guy
had visited last week and although he talked my ear off about things I
had no interest in, we successfully entered into a contract and
scheduled the installation.

The installers did a great job. They took the time to explain how
everything works. Like most microprocessor based systems it is
capable of far more than I will ever need or want.
I like simple, so I asked the installers for the easiest way to arm
and disarm the system.
My shop is so small I don't even need the option of "away" and "stay"
modes.

They said the easiest way is to simply punch in my code when I leave.
After a 60 second delay the system becomes fully armed. When I want
to re-enter, just enter and punch the code in within a certain time
frame to disable. Simple enough.

This morning the sales dude shows up again to "inspect" the
installer's work. This guy is a classic sales type. Talks too much
and doesn't know what he's talking about. He wanted to sit and go
over all the programming features and options on the system. I
politely told him I really had no need for them and was very satisfied
with the simple procedure that the installers described (and
demonstrated).

He wouldn't give up. Kept insisting that he show me all the
options. I kept trying to explain (during his short moments of
silence) that I didn't need or want to learn about all the feature.
Don't need them.

He continued. I was slowly losing patience. I described the very
simple and basic procedure the installers showed me. The sales dude
said they were wrong. It wouldn't arm the motion sensors, according
to him.

Now I am starting to get a little fired up. I explained again for
the third time that we demonstrated it while the installers were
there. We all stayed in the building, I armed the system by entering
my code and, after the delay the system armed. As soon as one of us
moved, the alarm went off, sensed by the motion sensors.

The sales guy said it can't be. You *have* to select one of the
modes. I said, "no you don't".
He tried again to instruct me on all the features.

By this time I had lost it. I told him he talked too much and
doesn't *listen* to what is being said.
He replied with, "Richard, I am a security expert".

I responded with, "You are a pain in the ass and don't listen. Get
out of here; you are really starting to **** me off."

He tries again to yap about the system "features". I got up from
behind the counter. I think he saw the look in my eye because he beat
feet out the door, got in his BMW and drove off.

After I calmed down I called the security company (ADT) for technical
assistance. They confirmed that the procedure I was using worked
fine. I mentioned that the sales guy says it won't.
She said to listen and do what the installers said and that the sales
types really don't always know what they are talking about.

I thanked her and told her if she sees a nervous sales type in a BMW
arrive at the office, be kind because I just threw him out of my
shop. She laughed like hell and said, "GOOD!"

Eisboch




On Tuesday, our new refrigerator was delivered and installed. The two
guys handling the delivery showed up exactly on time. They had
deliveries all over southern Maryland, having started out the morning in
North Carolina.

The refrigerator was unboxed on the front walk. The lead guy took some
measurements, and decided he could use the extra room he'd get by
unhinging the front door and the screen door.

The guys carried the refrigerator in, carried it over the wood floors,
and set it down on the tile floor in the kitchen.

The second guy removed all the tape on the inside, wiped down the
refrigerator, even though it had just come out of a box, and then hooked
up the water line and electric line.

As soon as he was finished, the guys rolled the new refrigerator into
its cubby, and the lead guy leveled it and then made sure all the
functions were working properly, and there was no damage anywhere.

Then he and his helper reinstalled the two doors and left.

Great guys, and I told them so. I gave each one a $20 and my thanks.

An hour later, their supervisor called to see what sort of job they did.
I told them that on a scale of 10, they rated a 10.

This morning, I got a call from my local Husqvarna dealer, telling me a
part I had ordered arrived. I drove over to pick it up. Went up to the
counter, the nice lady there asked my name, and she went to the
storeroom to get the part. She opened up the packed, checked the
contents against the call-out sheet in her parts book, and said "a
washer was missing." So, she went to the shop and came back with a
couple of washers.

Life is a lot easier when you're not a hothead, Eisboch.


You're just having a special day aren't you, so why so grouchy?