"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

I sort of trace the start of his decline to *Skipper's demise*. Skipper
used to keep Harry constantly on the defensive with his wit and cheap
shots, and people could almost empathize with Harry because of it.
Once that situation was gone, Harry's inherent hostility had to change
from Skipper, Bayliners and Derby, Kansas and find new outlets.

snip..


Say what... "Skipper's demise" ???
Are you saying he's passed on or just left the group.

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:10:41 -0400, HK wrote:

(Interesting journal snipped)
Life is a lot easier when you're not a hothead, Eisboch.

I don't get it. Eisboch had an asshole to deal with, not the guys you
had.
You never got hot dealing with a saleman?

--Vic

Harry would have just blown the guys head off. He duznt tak no sht frm
no budy.

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:05:32 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Jim2424242" wrote in message
...

HK wrote:


I'm sorry life is so difficult for you.

Why so much vitriol today Krausie. Do you feel you have been unjustly
abused, lately?


Krausie hasn't aged well, sad to say. 12-14 years ago you could have a
reasonable discussion and although not in agreement, it was accomplished
without any mean spiritedness from either side, even with a few friendly
zingers thrown in once in a while.

He's slowly evolved into a crotchety, narrow minded old man. Whatever
existed as a sense of humor is long lost. Seen it many times as others
age. Lacking patience to respectfully debate or display any respect for
others, the typical response now is a personal insult or other demeaning
statement if you don't agree with or bow down to him.

I don't know what he's said to other people here - I've only heard the
stories and I can't speak to any of them personally, but there seems
to be enough proof via the old timers in the group about this or that
Harry story or exaggeration. I know in two cases where he's sent me
emails off line "explaining" some comment, I know better if only
because I know the people involved in the story - ask a few close
questions and it's suddenly "Oh, well I..." and another story. It's
sad really.

I had thought at one time that Harry was an abuser - he shows a lot of
signs of it - the constant attempts to dominate, intimidate and
verbally harass people he feels have wronged him or those he disagrees
with are all signs of an abusive personality. Even when he's being
ignored, he's constantly injecting himself into the thread, making
comments, snide little remarks, the attempts to join the discussion
using material that he doesn't own - like the owl image or Parker
rendezvous or the attempts at illustrating his musical prowess - it's
really indicative of somebody who fully intends to monopolize the
discussions.

But I've changed my mind - he's just plain old mentally ill. Life has
passed him by, he's probably lonely as hell, drinks a little too much
and intends to make others as miserable as he feels.

And being the charitable type I am, I will refrain from poking fun at
him from here on out - you don't make fun of sick people.

Life goes on.

So, how about those Red Sox huh?

Don White wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
I sort of trace the start of his decline to *Skipper's demise*. Skipper
used to keep Harry constantly on the defensive with his wit and cheap
shots, and people could almost empathize with Harry because of it.
Once that situation was gone, Harry's inherent hostility had to change
from Skipper, Bayliners and Derby, Kansas and find new outlets.

snip..


Say what... "Skipper's demise" ???
Are you saying he's passed on or just left the group.




I miss the old, semi-sharp-witted skippy, not the one that appeared here
in his last incarnation. Ol' Skippy could be witty; no one would accuse
D'whine here of that.

On Jun 25, 3:10*pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
I had a security (alarm) system installed yesterday. *The sales guy had
visited last week and although he talked my ear off about things I had
no interest in, we successfully entered into a contract and scheduled
the installation.

The installers did a great job. *They took the time to explain how
everything works. * Like most microprocessor based systems it is capable
of far more than I will ever need or want.
I like simple, so I asked the installers for the easiest way to arm and
disarm the system.
My shop is so small I don't even need the option of "away" and "stay"
modes.

They said the easiest way is to simply punch in my code when I leave. *
After a 60 second delay the system becomes fully armed. * When I want to
re-enter, just enter and punch the code in within a certain time frame
to disable. Simple enough.

This morning the sales dude shows up again to "inspect" the installer's
work. * This guy is a classic sales type. *Talks too much and doesn't
know what he's talking about. * He wanted to sit and go over all the
programming features and options on the system. * I politely told him I
really had no need for them and was very satisfied with the simple
procedure that the installers described (and demonstrated).

He wouldn't give up. * Kept insisting that he show me all the options.. *
I kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) *that I
didn't need or want to learn about all the feature. *Don't need them.

He continued. * I was slowly losing patience. * I described the very
simple and basic procedure the installers showed me. * The sales dude
said they were wrong. *It wouldn't arm the motion sensors, according to
him.

Now I am starting to get a little fired up. * I explained again for the
third time that we demonstrated it while the installers were there. * We
all stayed in the building, I armed the system by entering my code and,
after the delay the system armed. * As soon as one of us moved, the
alarm went off, sensed by the motion sensors.

The sales guy said it can't be. *You *have* to select one of the
modes. * I said, "no you don't".
He tried again to instruct me on all the features.

By this time I had lost it. * *I told him he talked too much and doesn't
*listen* to what is being said.
He replied with, "Richard, I am a security expert".

I responded with, "You are a pain in the ass and don't listen. * Get out
of here; you are really starting to **** me off."

He tries again to yap about the system "features". * I got up from
behind the counter. *I think he saw the look in my eye because he beat
feet out the door, got in his BMW and drove off.

After I calmed down I called the security company (ADT) for technical
assistance. *They confirmed that the procedure I was using worked
fine. * I mentioned that the sales guy says it won't.
She said to listen and do what the installers said and that the sales
types really don't always know what they are talking about.

I thanked her and told her if she sees a nervous sales type in a BMW
arrive at the office, be kind because I just threw him out of my shop. *
She laughed like hell and said, "GOOD!"

Eisboch

On Tuesday, our new refrigerator was delivered and installed. The two
guys handling the delivery showed up exactly on time. They had
deliveries all over southern Maryland, having started out the morning in
North Carolina.

The refrigerator was unboxed on the front walk. The lead guy took some
measurements, and decided he could use the extra room he'd get by
unhinging the front door and the screen door.

The guys carried the refrigerator in, carried it over the wood floors,
and set it down on the tile floor in the kitchen.

The second guy removed all the tape on the inside, wiped down the
refrigerator, even though it had just come out of a box, and then hooked
up the water line and electric line.

As soon as he was finished, the guys rolled the new refrigerator into
its cubby, and the lead guy leveled it and then made sure all the
functions were working properly, and there was no damage anywhere.

Then he and his helper reinstalled the two doors and left.

Great guys, and I told them so. I gave each one a $20 and my thanks.

An hour later, their supervisor called to see what sort of job they did.
I told them that on a scale of 10, they rated a 10.

This morning, I got a call from my local Husqvarna dealer, telling me a
part I had ordered arrived. I drove over to pick it up. Went up to the
counter, the nice lady there asked my name, and she went to the
storeroom to get the part. She opened up the packed, checked the
contents against the call-out sheet in her parts book, and said "a
washer was missing." So, she went to the shop and came back with a
couple of washers.

Life is a lot easier when you're not a hothead, Eisboch.- Hide quoted text -

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Oh, what a bunch of bull****! Has anyone ever noticed that EVER single
time Harry has something done, he gets the best, hardest working,
polite, professional people there are? WAFA....

Zombie of Woodstock wrote:


I don't know what he's said to other people here - I've only heard the
stories and I can't speak to any of them personally,




Heheh. You're quite the trip these days. How's usenet's ranking
non-expert on Husqie lawn tractors?

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:40:58 -0400, Jim2424242
wrote:

You're just having a special day aren't you, so why so grouchy?

Special day for a "special" person.

Oh damn - I said I wasn't going to do that.

I'm sorry - please forgive me.

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:33:46 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:11:11 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:33:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


He wouldn't give up. Kept insisting that he show me all the options. I
kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) that I didn't
need or want to learn about all the feature. Don't need them.

I've had the same problem with Republicans trying to sell me on
trickle down economics.

I responded with, "You are a pain in the ass and don't listen. Get out of
here; you are really starting to **** me off."

He tries again to yap about the system "features". I got up from behind
the counter. I think he saw the look in my eye because he beat feet out the
door, got in his BMW and drove off.

Wow. I have never had an experience like that.

Could you not just tell him you were late for a meeting and ushered
him out? You could have used the same tactic you used with the kid
who wanted to hang out playing guitar all day.

What fun would that be? Though it's happened only twice to me, those
2 salesmen didn't understand anything except the threat of physical
removal. Besides, they were so obnoxious that's what they fully
deserved.
One of my favorite lines is from Unforgiven, where the kid says to
Eastwood, about the cowboys they killed, "They had it coming, didn't
they?"
He replied "We all got it coming, kid."
Aside from deeper meanings, that's always true for some salesmen.
What, nobody makes you mad? Sure as hell don't get that impression
here.

--Vic

I'm passionate about politics, even with friends. But they know it's
just passion and not anger (unless you mention Bush or Cheney).

When dealing with a complete stranger, I make sure they know that I
don't have any more time for their rap and politely get them on their
way. It's easier to ease them into leaving than waiting until they
**** you off. Walking them to the door is an easy method.

Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:40:58 -0400, Jim2424242
wrote:

You're just having a special day aren't you, so why so grouchy?

Special day for a "special" person.

Oh damn - I said I wasn't going to do that.

I'm sorry - please forgive me.


Just how many meds do you take a day these days?

"HK" wrote in message
m...


You're projecting. I'm not the one having problems with service personnel
and then blowing my stack. You are.


You are apparently going blind as well and can't read what I wrote.

I didn't have any problem with the service/installation personnel. They
were very good, efficient and knowledgeable regarding the product.

I had a big problem with the loud mouthed, egotistical, idiot of a salesman,
..

Probably sounds strange to you.

Eisboch