"H the K" wrote in message
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Jack wrote:
On Jul 16, 1:24 pm, nada wrote:


My ex wife worked at the Lordstown, Ohio GM plant. She intentially
shut down the line one day, and the union protected her and kept her
from being fired. She told me the stories of how she and her co-
workers harmed the company, messed with the cars, and generally were
just bad employees, and through it all they kept their jobs and kept
getting raises and bennies. There's a word for how people feel about
this kind of union-bred crap, but it's certainly not "envy".


So, your ex-wife was a loser. So are you. What a surprise.\


Same as a bunch of the autoworkers. I worked at a Western Electric
warehouse just out of high school. There were some guys there who were
waiting to be called back to the GM plant in Fremont. They told about
dropping files in the doors and laughed about the poor owner having to deal
with the rattle. About outfitting a car that was being bought by a coworker
with every option available. The attitude alone should have prevented them
from ever working at an auto plant again.

PT Barnum once said"........
JR

Vic Smith wrote:

I posted this to the GM group, which I sometimes participate in,
but I really like talking to boaters more than anything.
Boaters are.....just cool!
Anyway most here have some GM experience, and I know you all like to
talk about unions.


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Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth

"Jim" wrote in message
m...
Vic Smith wrote:
Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
fixed. I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums reading
about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.

This is why GM is doomed. Not only would I never buy another one, but
when I see one on the highway I look to see what the fool who bought one
looks like.

Ditto. A friend is gong to be buying a car shortly, says anything but a GM.
Me, I will not even rent one.

"nada" wrote in message ...
Vic Smith wrote:
I posted this to the GM group, which I sometimes participate in, but I
really like talking to boaters more than anything.
Boaters are.....just cool!
Anyway most here have some GM experience, and I know you all like to
talk about unions.

*********************

So I go into the local GM dealership this morning to get the lower
intake manifold gasket set for my kid's 95 Bonneville. The "new
improved" gaskets. Aluminum framed, not plastic. The car's got 80k miles
on it, and too many GM owners took real big
hits when the lower manifold gaskets rotted away or plastic upper
plenum melted away. I bought a Dorman upper plenum elsewhere.
Way too many with as few as 40k miles, and for cars at least as late
as 2003 with the 3800 Series 2 engine have the problem.
Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
fixed. I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums reading
about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.
There was only very minor relief from GM for these disasters. Hell, the
new LIM gasket didn't come out until 2006 or 2007. My kid is putting in
the improved LIM gasket and the improved Gorman
upper plenum as a preventative measure.
The plenum was 61 bucks through Amazon and the gasket was
75 bucks at GM.
Then there's going to be some brake and carb cleaner to clean things
up, and some thread lock.
So it's going to cost about $150 in parts, and at least 3 hours of the
kid's labor. Luckily, he loves doing this stuff. Anyway, one parts guy
goes to get my gasket set, and I ask one of the
other guys, probably the manager, who's sitting on his ass rifling
through paperwork, "What do you think about the new GM?"
He doesn't hardly look up, and why should he?
After all, I'm just a customer.
He says, "I feel good about it. We've got the union costs under
control." Mumbles something about health costs.
I said, "Yeah, that union health care was hurting GM, and health care
is a problem all over."
He wasn't interested in my comment, and goes on a bit ragging the
union. Didn't hear it exactly, because the other guy came back with
my part and pointed me to cashier window about ten feet away.
The cashier was waiting for me.
So as I give her the invoice and my credit card something is bothering
me. When I asked that guy about the "new GM" I was expecting
to hear something besides bitching about the union.
Maybe something about how good the Malibu and Impala are selling, or a
new goal toward engineering excellence and customer satisfaction.
I walk back to the parts desk and said, probably a bit too loudly,
in order to get this guys attention, but I was actually ****ed.
"Hey, see this?" I held up the $75 gasket set.
"The union didn't design the 3800. GM engineers and GM management
did that. Wasn't the union. Sure as hell wasn't Toyota. And if they
did they would have made it right. You want customers, you better
give them reliability. There's more than one side of a story."
He admitted that as I walked back to the cashier to sign the receipt
and get out of there. Didn't really want to say anything else to him.
**** him.
Anyway, a bad experience. Hope this asshole doesn't represent GM's
future.

--Vic
Every one of these jerks thing the Unioniozed Workers are getting
something tghey want but didn't go after. It is hateful envy.
Those that work at the corner market applied to work there.
Those that work at GM, Boeing, or wherever applied to work there.
Thse that choose to be Entrepeanurs should have included choice health
care into their planning.
The average wage is supposedly 54,000+ in the US yet thes people bitch
when an Auto Worker or whomever is approaching that level. They figure
only Wall Streeters should b e making it.

Be sure to enjoy driving it, US citizens at large now have over $100B less
in the future to spend on autos. Make it over $1T if you include bank
bailouts.

No doubt, fewer autos per capita is the future.

"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Jack wrote:
On Jul 16, 1:24 pm, nada wrote:


My ex wife worked at the Lordstown, Ohio GM plant. She intentially
shut down the line one day, and the union protected her and kept her
from being fired. She told me the stories of how she and her co-
workers harmed the company, messed with the cars, and generally were
just bad employees, and through it all they kept their jobs and kept
getting raises and bennies. There's a word for how people feel about
this kind of union-bred crap, but it's certainly not "envy".


So, your ex-wife was a loser. So are you. What a surprise.

That was an anticipate childish respone to an intelligent reponse you are
incapable of.

Canuck57 wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Jack wrote:
On Jul 16, 1:24 pm, nada wrote:


My ex wife worked at the Lordstown, Ohio GM plant. She intentially
shut down the line one day, and the union protected her and kept her
from being fired. She told me the stories of how she and her co-
workers harmed the company, messed with the cars, and generally were
just bad employees, and through it all they kept their jobs and kept
getting raises and bennies. There's a word for how people feel about
this kind of union-bred crap, but it's certainly not "envy".

So, your ex-wife was a loser. So are you. What a surprise.

That was an anticipate childish respone to an intelligent reponse you are
incapable of.




Which part offends you, that his ex-wife was a loser, or he is?

Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
Vic Smith wrote:
Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
fixed. I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums reading
about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.
This is why GM is doomed. Not only would I never buy another one, but
when I see one on the highway I look to see what the fool who bought one
looks like.

Ditto. A friend is gong to be buying a car shortly, says anything but a GM.
Me, I will not even rent one.


Is that why I have only gotten 200,000 trouble free miles on my last
several GM automobiles?

On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:33:03 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
Vic Smith wrote:
Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
fixed. I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums reading
about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.
This is why GM is doomed. Not only would I never buy another one, but
when I see one on the highway I look to see what the fool who bought one
looks like.

Ditto. A friend is gong to be buying a car shortly, says anything but a GM.
Me, I will not even rent one.


Is that why I have only gotten 200,000 trouble free miles on my last
several GM automobiles?

I had great luck with my GMC pickup, but my next pickup will be a Ford
or a Toyota, if they start making a diesel.
--

John H

H the K wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Jul 16, 1:24 pm, nada wrote:


My ex wife worked at the Lordstown, Ohio GM plant. She intentially
shut down the line one day, and the union protected her and kept her
from being fired. She told me the stories of how she and her co-
workers harmed the company, messed with the cars, and generally were
just bad employees, and through it all they kept their jobs and kept
getting raises and bennies. There's a word for how people feel about
this kind of union-bred crap, but it's certainly not "envy".


So, your ex-wife was a loser. So are you. What a surprise.

Should she have been fired and civilly charged?

BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Jul 16, 1:24 pm, nada wrote:


My ex wife worked at the Lordstown, Ohio GM plant. She intentially
shut down the line one day, and the union protected her and kept her
from being fired. She told me the stories of how she and her co-
workers harmed the company, messed with the cars, and generally were
just bad employees, and through it all they kept their jobs and kept
getting raises and bennies. There's a word for how people feel about
this kind of union-bred crap, but it's certainly not "envy".


So, your ex-wife was a loser. So are you. What a surprise.

Should she have been fired and civilly charged?


For marrying jackoff? Isn't that punishment enough?