"H the K" wrote in message
m...
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Jul 16, 1:24 pm, nada wrote:


My ex wife worked at the Lordstown, Ohio GM plant. She intentially
shut down the line one day, and the union protected her and kept her
from being fired. She told me the stories of how she and her co-
workers harmed the company, messed with the cars, and generally were
just bad employees, and through it all they kept their jobs and kept
getting raises and bennies. There's a word for how people feel about
this kind of union-bred crap, but it's certainly not "envy".


So, your ex-wife was a loser. So are you. What a surprise.

Should she have been fired and civilly charged?


For marrying jackoff? Isn't that punishment enough?

~~ Snerk ~~
True enough!

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
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Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
Vic Smith wrote:
Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
fixed. I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums reading
about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.
This is why GM is doomed. Not only would I never buy another one, but
when I see one on the highway I look to see what the fool who bought one
looks like.

Ditto. A friend is gong to be buying a car shortly, says anything but a
GM. Me, I will not even rent one.
Is that why I have only gotten 200,000 trouble free miles on my last
several GM automobiles?

Go buy one then. Lets see if the next one is like that.

Lil' John wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:33:03 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
Vic Smith wrote:
Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
fixed. I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums reading
about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.
This is why GM is doomed. Not only would I never buy another one, but
when I see one on the highway I look to see what the fool who bought one
looks like.
Ditto. A friend is gong to be buying a car shortly, says anything but a GM.
Me, I will not even rent one.


Is that why I have only gotten 200,000 trouble free miles on my last
several GM automobiles?

I had great luck with my GMC pickup, but my next pickup will be a Ford
or a Toyota, if they start making a diesel.
--

John H

Since obama is forcing GM and Chrysler to build car that are
functionally unusable for Americans in 90% of the area of the country,
you may not have a choice.

I think it demonstrated obama's tenuous hold on reality, when the car
that Chrysler was selling and first brought back into production after
the shutdown was the Viper.

Keith Nuttle wrote:
Lil' John wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:33:03 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
Vic Smith wrote:
Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
fixed. I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums
reading about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.
This is why GM is doomed. Not only would I never buy another one,
but when I see one on the highway I look to see what the fool who
bought one looks like.
Ditto. A friend is gong to be buying a car shortly, says anything
but a GM. Me, I will not even rent one.

Is that why I have only gotten 200,000 trouble free miles on my last
several GM automobiles?

I had great luck with my GMC pickup, but my next pickup will be a Ford
or a Toyota, if they start making a diesel.
--

John H

Since obama is forcing GM and Chrysler to build car that are
functionally unusable for Americans in 90% of the area of the country,
you may not have a choice.


Functionally unusable? Oh...you're a special needs driver. I get it.

On Jul 17, 8:29*am, BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Jul 16, 1:24 pm, nada wrote:

My ex wife worked at the Lordstown, Ohio GM plant. *She intentially
shut down the line one day, and the union protected her and kept her
from being fired. *She told me the stories of how she and her co-
workers harmed the company, messed with the cars, and generally were
just bad employees, and through it all they kept their jobs and kept
getting raises and bennies. *There's a word for how people feel about
this kind of union-bred crap, but it's certainly not "envy".

So, your ex-wife was a loser. So are you. What a surprise.

Should she have been fired and civilly charged?

Of course. Unfortunately, union protection in the workplace
encourages this type of behavior. The union tells you that management
is out to get you, so they enable this kind of stuff. That's criminal.

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:04:11 -0600, Canuck57 penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|"nada" wrote in message ...
| Vic Smith wrote:
| I posted this to the GM group, which I sometimes participate in, but I
| really like talking to boaters more than anything.
| Boaters are.....just cool!
| Anyway most here have some GM experience, and I know you all like to
| talk about unions.
|
| *********************
|
| So I go into the local GM dealership this morning to get the lower
| intake manifold gasket set for my kid's 95 Bonneville. The "new
| improved" gaskets. Aluminum framed, not plastic. The car's got 80k miles
| on it, and too many GM owners took real big
| hits when the lower manifold gaskets rotted away or plastic upper
| plenum melted away. I bought a Dorman upper plenum elsewhere.
| Way too many with as few as 40k miles, and for cars at least as late
| as 2003 with the 3800 Series 2 engine have the problem.
| Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
| Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
| fixed. I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums reading
| about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.
| There was only very minor relief from GM for these disasters. Hell, the
| new LIM gasket didn't come out until 2006 or 2007. My kid is putting in
| the improved LIM gasket and the improved Gorman
| upper plenum as a preventative measure.
| The plenum was 61 bucks through Amazon and the gasket was
| 75 bucks at GM.
| Then there's going to be some brake and carb cleaner to clean things
| up, and some thread lock.
| So it's going to cost about $150 in parts, and at least 3 hours of the
| kid's labor. Luckily, he loves doing this stuff. Anyway, one parts guy
| goes to get my gasket set, and I ask one of the
| other guys, probably the manager, who's sitting on his ass rifling
| through paperwork, "What do you think about the new GM?"
| He doesn't hardly look up, and why should he?
| After all, I'm just a customer.
| He says, "I feel good about it. We've got the union costs under
| control." Mumbles something about health costs.
| I said, "Yeah, that union health care was hurting GM, and health care
| is a problem all over."
| He wasn't interested in my comment, and goes on a bit ragging the
| union. Didn't hear it exactly, because the other guy came back with
| my part and pointed me to cashier window about ten feet away.
| The cashier was waiting for me.
| So as I give her the invoice and my credit card something is bothering
| me. When I asked that guy about the "new GM" I was expecting
| to hear something besides bitching about the union.
| Maybe something about how good the Malibu and Impala are selling, or a
| new goal toward engineering excellence and customer satisfaction.
| I walk back to the parts desk and said, probably a bit too loudly,
| in order to get this guys attention, but I was actually ****ed.
| "Hey, see this?" I held up the $75 gasket set.
| "The union didn't design the 3800. GM engineers and GM management
| did that. Wasn't the union. Sure as hell wasn't Toyota. And if they
| did they would have made it right. You want customers, you better
| give them reliability. There's more than one side of a story."
| He admitted that as I walked back to the cashier to sign the receipt
| and get out of there. Didn't really want to say anything else to him.
| **** him.
| Anyway, a bad experience. Hope this asshole doesn't represent GM's
| future.
|
| --Vic
| Every one of these jerks thing the Unioniozed Workers are getting
| something tghey want but didn't go after. It is hateful envy.
| Those that work at the corner market applied to work there.
| Those that work at GM, Boeing, or wherever applied to work there.
| Thse that choose to be Entrepeanurs should have included choice health
| care into their planning.
| The average wage is supposedly 54,000+ in the US yet thes people bitch
| when an Auto Worker or whomever is approaching that level. They figure
| only Wall Streeters should b e making it.
|
|Be sure to enjoy driving it, US citizens at large now have over $100B less
|in the future to spend on autos. Make it over $1T if you include bank
|bailouts.
|
|No doubt, fewer autos per capita is the future.
|

Yes, and that began with NAFTA. A "global economy" means the playing
field gets "leveled."

The Chinese farmer can, now, maybe afford a car.... and to offset
that, Americans (and others) will be forced to make-do with *much*
less....

No Free Ride.


It won't be a leveling of the field, it will be lowering the field.

If you missed the fall of the Roman Empire you are about to see what
happened in real time.

Jack wrote:
On Jul 17, 8:29 am, BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Jul 16, 1:24 pm, nada wrote:
My ex wife worked at the Lordstown, Ohio GM plant. She intentially
shut down the line one day, and the union protected her and kept her
from being fired. She told me the stories of how she and her co-
workers harmed the company, messed with the cars, and generally were
just bad employees, and through it all they kept their jobs and kept
getting raises and bennies. There's a word for how people feel about
this kind of union-bred crap, but it's certainly not "envy".
So, your ex-wife was a loser. So are you. What a surprise.
Should she have been fired and civilly charged?

Of course. Unfortunately, union protection in the workplace
encourages this type of behavior. The union tells you that management
is out to get you, so they enable this kind of stuff. That's criminal.


It's a nice tale you tell, jackoff, and your ex probably told it to you
just to raise your blood pressure, in the hope you'd FOAD and she could
collect some insurance.

I recall several incidents at unionized plants. Once, a worker "stopped
the line" when he was quite literally devoured by a machine on which
management had removed the safety devices. Management, of course, wanted
the machine cleaned so it wouldn't mess up product.

At another facility, an employee was seriously injured when a product
robot cart ran over him. It was equipped with special impact sensing
bumpers that were supposed to stop immediately if they touched anything.
The "fail-safe" was some sort of line preceding the cart that was
attached to the overhead power track. The employee's body derailed the
robocart and it stopped. Finally

At an investigation, the manager of the plant was eager to demonstrate
how safe the devices were. So he had the robocart cranked up while he
stood in its path. Yep. The bumpers touched his legs, and the cart kept
on coming. He couldn't grab the pull-cord safety line because, well,
because he was already on his way to the concrete floor and the line was
out of his reach.

That particular gem was on TV. :)

Oh. Management. You bet your ass it is out to get you.

H the K wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
Lil' John wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:33:03 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
m...
Vic Smith wrote:
Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
fixed. I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums
reading about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.
This is why GM is doomed. Not only would I never buy another one,
but when I see one on the highway I look to see what the fool who
bought one looks like.
Ditto. A friend is gong to be buying a car shortly, says anything
but a GM. Me, I will not even rent one.

Is that why I have only gotten 200,000 trouble free miles on my last
several GM automobiles?

I had great luck with my GMC pickup, but my next pickup will be a Ford
or a Toyota, if they start making a diesel.
--

John H

Since obama is forcing GM and Chrysler to build car that are
functionally unusable for Americans in 90% of the area of the country,
you may not have a choice.


Functionally unusable? Oh...you're a special needs driver. I get it.


Many people in 90% of the area of the United States carry things in
their cars, like children, friends, groceries, 50lbs of bags of salt,dog
food, etc.

Pick up things at the local wood products store,home improvements store,
etc., and use their cars to carry the things need for their outdoor
hobbies, etc.

They maybe perfect for the limited use in coastal cities but the for the
people who live in most of the congressional precincts of the United
States they are functionally unusable.

On Jul 16, 11:26*am, Vic Smith
wrote:
I posted this to the GM group, which I sometimes participate in,
but I really like talking to boaters more than anything.
Boaters are.....just cool!
Anyway most here have some GM experience, and I know you all like to
talk about unions.

*********************

So I go into the local GM dealership this morning to get the lower
intake manifold gasket set for my kid's 95 Bonneville. *The "new
improved" gaskets. *Aluminum framed, not plastic.
The car's got 80k miles on it, and too many GM owners took real big
hits when the lower manifold gaskets rotted away or plastic upper
plenum melted away. *I bought a Dorman upper plenum elsewhere.
Way too many with as few as 40k miles, and for cars at least as late
as 2003 with the 3800 Series 2 engine have the problem.
Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
fixed.
I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums reading
about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.
There was only very minor relief from GM for these disasters.
Hell, the new LIM gasket didn't come out until 2006 or 2007.
My kid is putting in the improved LIM gasket and the improved Gorman
upper plenum as a preventative measure.
The plenum was 61 bucks through Amazon and the gasket was
75 bucks at GM.
Then there's going to be some brake and carb cleaner to clean things
up, and some thread lock.
So it's going to cost about $150 in parts, and at least 3 hours of the
kid's labor. *Luckily, he loves doing this stuff.
Anyway, one parts guy goes to get my gasket set, and I ask one of the
other guys, probably the manager, who's sitting on his ass rifling
through paperwork, "What do you think about the new GM?"
He doesn't hardly look up, and why should he?
After all, I'm just a customer.
He says, "I feel good about it. *We've got the union costs under
control." *Mumbles something about health costs.
I said, "Yeah, that union health care was hurting GM, and health care
is a problem all over."
He wasn't interested in my comment, and goes on a bit ragging the
union. *Didn't hear it exactly, because the other guy came back with
my part and pointed me to cashier window about ten feet away.
The cashier was waiting for me.
So as I give her the invoice and my credit card something is bothering
me. *When I asked that guy about the "new GM" I was expecting
to hear something besides bitching about the union.
Maybe something about how good the Malibu and Impala are selling, or a
new goal toward engineering excellence and customer satisfaction.
I walk back to the parts desk and said, probably a bit too loudly,
in order to get this guys attention, but I was actually ****ed.
"Hey, see this?" *I held up the $75 gasket set.
"The union didn't design the 3800. *GM engineers and GM management
did that. *Wasn't the union. *Sure as hell wasn't Toyota. *And if they
did they would have made it right. *You want customers, you better
give them reliability. *There's more than one side of a story."
He admitted that as I walked back to the cashier to sign the receipt
and get out of there. *Didn't really want to say anything else to him.
**** him.
Anyway, a bad experience. *Hope this asshole doesn't represent GM's
future.

--Vic

My 2004 Suburban that I bought used was mysteriously losing coolant.
Turns out GM shipped it with porous cylinder heads. Only heads made by
a certain supplier were defective. Seems like a pretty cut and dry
case of a manufacturing defect. GM's response, "Sorry".

Do a Google search for GM Castech Heads and meet all the happy owners.

By the time I buy my next car the kids will be older and I won't need
all the seating so I'm buying a Ford P/U.

On Jul 16, 9:33*pm, Keith Nuttle wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
om...
Vic Smith wrote:
Can cause hydrolock, bent rods, warped heads, wiped bearings, etc.
Some catch it in the early stages and only pay $400-1200 to get it
fixed. I've spent some time in Pontiac, Buick and Chevy forums reading
about the pain and expense this poor design has caused.
This is why GM is doomed. *Not only would I never buy another one, but
when I see one on the highway I look to see what the fool who bought one
looks like.

Ditto. *A friend is gong to be buying a car shortly, says anything but a GM.
Me, I will not even rent one.

Is that why I have only gotten 200,000 trouble free miles on my last
several GM automobiles?

When you spread 200,000 miles over "several" vehicles, that's not many
miles per vehicle, so there's not much of a chance to have a problem.

If you're saying that you've put 200,000 miles *each* on several GM
vehicles and have had no problem, I'd have to call BS. Statistically
impossible.