On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 05:27:08 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:


Ah... it sounded like you were complaining about the high cost of
insurance. But now I understand that you're both "retired", with your
wife choosing to work at a basic job where the insurance cost 25% of
her pay. Nothing wrong with that.

No, my wife is 17 years younger than me and will be working for a long
time yet, insurance or not. And she's the highest paid in her unit
except for the manager. The rest there can't afford the insurance, so
they go to the e-room for everything. That's the problem. The high
cost of health care/insurance. There ain't no free lunch except the
one those paying for health insurance are buying for the others.
Whether I complain about it or not, you may have noticed that others
are.

I agree that the people who choose to not insure, then use the
emergency room for free health care is a problem. However, if you're
rooting for national health care so your wife can quit work and I'll
have to pick up your health care tab... well, I have a problem with
that.

Tell me your problem with paying my SS and I'll shed a couple tears.
My problem isn't with paying, it's with a system that only *some* pay
into, and a system that locks people into jobs because health
insurance isn't universally available and portable. Stifles and puts
artificial constraints into movement in the job market, and gives
foreigners a competitive edge in trade.

--Vic

H the K wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message
...

Reformers' Claims Just Don't Add Up
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Friday, July 17, 2009 4:20 PM PT


• America has a health care crisis.

---------------------------------

America does not have a health care crisis.

America has a welfare crisis.

Eisboch



Spoken like a "true Republican have."
"I've got mine, screw the poor, eh?"


What is next after the government, Democrat, takeover of health care?

H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:24:20 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message
...


Reformers' Claims Just Don't Add Up
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Friday, July 17, 2009 4:20 PM PT


• America has a health care crisis.

---------------------------------

America does not have a health care crisis.

America has a welfare crisis.

Eisboch


Spoken like a "true Republican have."
"I've got mine, screw the poor, eh?"

Obama won't tell the poor that they will have to pay for health
insurance, along with the others who simply chose not to.
He keeps making people think health care will be "free".

The unanswered questions is what do you do to people who still won't
buy insurance if the government says they can afford it? Deny them
care?



Ahh...you favor the Republican approach...do nothing while the populace
is raped by the health insurance companies. Love it.

Address the root cause of the problem. Government regulation and
intervention in health care. Tort reform.

Eisboch wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
For everyone like your nephew's kid, there are 10 more kids who don't get
any medical attention, or the wrong sort of medical attention or the
cheapest of "patches" medical attention, or medical attention long after
whatever problem there is has escalated into something a lot more serious.


That's because health care and insurance has become unaffordable for many.
Make it more affordable for those that can work.

How?

By relieving those who pay for health insurance the costs of development of
new equipment, procedures and drugs. *That* should be the role of the
government. If we can bail out wall street corporations, we can subsidize
some of the medical industry.

Users of the health care system should pay for services rendered and not the
development costs of those systems. Make the use cost affordable, not free.
Of course those who cannot work to pay for their medical service needs
should be cared for by us, but not those who can pay, but don't or won't.

Eisboch




Sounds like more tax breaks for corporations to me. No thanks.

Eisboch wrote:
"Just Regigie" wrote in message
...
Eisboch,
I hope you realize you are talking to a brick wall.




I know. Everything should be free.
I'll never understand, I guess.

Eisboch




I'm not advocating "free" anything. Where do you get these ideas?

BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message
...

Reformers' Claims Just Don't Add Up
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Friday, July 17, 2009 4:20 PM PT


• America has a health care crisis.

---------------------------------

America does not have a health care crisis.

America has a welfare crisis.

Eisboch



Spoken like a "true Republican have."
"I've got mine, screw the poor, eh?"


What is next after the government, Democrat, takeover of health care?


The soylent green factory for right wingers? :)

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:59:18 -0500, thunder wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:40:49 -0700, Jack wrote:


Sounds like you need to get a job with some benefits, and rescue your
wife from having to support you and from providing you with your own
health care.

Yeah, but ... tying health care to business is the wrong approach, IMO.
Besides the anti-competitive costs to business in the world market, if
you get sick with a long-term illness, you are SOL. A dirty little
secret, most employee health insurance policies end when you aren't
collecting a pay check. Try paying for CORBA with just a disability
check, if you even get a disability check.

This is usually the point when the insurance carrier declairs that it was
a pre-existing condition and refuse to pay anything.

Been there for that approach.

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 02:07:48 -0400, gfretwell wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:15:34 -0500, thunder
wrote:

Yeah, but, most countries with universal health care spend @10% GDP on
health care. We're rapidly approaching twice that. There must be some
savings somewhere.

Virtually all of the innovation comes from the US. If it wasn't for
the amount of money we are willing to throw at health care we wouldn't
have most of the drugs and machines we take for granted.
Why would anyone go through development and FDA approval for a drug if
the government was going to make you give it away?
You can hate corporate America and the capitalist system but that is
what brings most innovation to the world.

If you know a diabetic, ask how many test strips they throw away each
month that give error readings.

Medicare pays a billion dollars a year for test strips that 20% are
faulty. That's capitalist America at work.

RLM wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:59:18 -0500, thunder wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:40:49 -0700, Jack wrote:


Sounds like you need to get a job with some benefits, and rescue your
wife from having to support you and from providing you with your own
health care.
Yeah, but ... tying health care to business is the wrong approach, IMO.
Besides the anti-competitive costs to business in the world market, if
you get sick with a long-term illness, you are SOL. A dirty little
secret, most employee health insurance policies end when you aren't
collecting a pay check. Try paying for CORBA with just a disability
check, if you even get a disability check.

This is usually the point when the insurance carrier declairs that it was
a pre-existing condition and refuse to pay anything.

Been there for that approach.



There are lots of dirty little secrets in connection with our current
health care insurance fiasco, and some of them are not so little and not
so secretive. There are all sorts of horror stories, for example,
relating to denials of needed service, making patients and their
providers jump through hoops, reimbursement horrors, et cetera.

It's sort of humorous that those who oppose the modernizations being
discussed think everything will get "worse" when the government steps
in. I suspect the percentage of those satisfied with the way social
security and medicare are run is higher than those who are satisified
with the way medical insurance is run.

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 03:42:42 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Health insurance, like other forms of insurance, should be to prevent the
financial wipeout of an individual and his/her family in the event of a
catastrophic injury or health problem. It should not be designed to cover
every little ailment or boo-boo that comes along that can easily and
routinely treated at home.

When my youngest boy was ineligible for our insurance, we looked
around for a strictly major medical policy for him - bare bones, just
cover any catastrophe.

It was cheap - I mean like $4-500/yr? Something like that.