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Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
Calif Bill wrote
Rod Speed wrote Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Correct. Hard to find, Nope. and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Wrong. Probably enough to derail a career. Clearly hasnt derailed Pozos' Which pretty much excludes it use. Like hell it does. |
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Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:48:40 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote: You're wrong. Corse it is. Correct., Nope. Wrong. Like hell it does. I don't have a horse in this race either way, but you're pretty loose with those laconic answers. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions? Or can you expand on those answers to convince someone with an open mind who doesn't just take "wrong" as a fact? -- Turby the Turbosurfer |
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Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
Calif Bill wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Hard to find, and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Probably enough to derail a career. Which pretty much excludes it use. In any case, the objection to the medical data is that it was obtained by using concentration camp inmates in ways that are considered to be inhumane. Given that Wagner died 6 years before Hitler was born, it's difficult to see how that particular objection could apply to him. |
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Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
Turby wrote:
Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Correct. Hard to find, Nope. and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Wrong. Probably enough to derail a career. Clearly hasnt derailed Pozos' Which pretty much excludes it use. Like hell it does. I don't have a horse in this race either way, but you're pretty loose with those laconic answers. You get to like that or lump it. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions? Yep, Pozos hasnt had his career derailed and anyone with even half a clue can find the medical data being discussed. Or can you expand on those answers to convince someone with an open mind who doesn't just take "wrong" as a fact? You aint worth the trouble, because you dont have anything even remotely resembling anything like an open mind except in the sense that there is nothing viable between your ears. |
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Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:59:37 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote: Turby wrote: Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Correct. Hard to find, Nope. and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Wrong. Probably enough to derail a career. Clearly hasnt derailed Pozos' Which pretty much excludes it use. Like hell it does. I don't have a horse in this race either way, but you're pretty loose with those laconic answers. You get to like that or lump it. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions? Yep, Pozos hasnt had his career derailed and anyone with even half a clue can find the medical data being discussed. Or can you expand on those answers to convince someone with an open mind who doesn't just take "wrong" as a fact? You aint worth the trouble, because you dont have anything even remotely resembling anything like an open mind except in the sense that there is nothing viable between your ears. You know, I actually thought you were right, and had some experience or personal knowledge about the subject, but were just too lazy to expound on it. I have no idea who Pozos is, nor do I care. I've never thought about whether data found by evil Nazi methods is acceptable or censored. I don't think it really matters to me. But it's now obvious that you're just another Usenet idiot with an attitude whose posts I can ignore. -- Turby the Turbosurfer |
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Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
"Turby" wrote
thought about whether data found by evil Nazi methods is acceptable or censored. I don't think it really matters to me. .... When I consider it ... suppose some evil scientist(s) used inhuman methods to discover say, a simple cure for cancer and AIDS - a benign pill one could take and be cancer and AIDS free for life. Should that info be supressed because of the way it was discovered?? |
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Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
Turby wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:59:37 +1000, "Rod Speed" wrote: Turby wrote: Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Correct. Hard to find, Nope. and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Wrong. Probably enough to derail a career. Clearly hasnt derailed Pozos' Which pretty much excludes it use. Like hell it does. I don't have a horse in this race either way, but you're pretty loose with those laconic answers. You get to like that or lump it. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions? Yep, Pozos hasnt had his career derailed and anyone with even half a clue can find the medical data being discussed. Or can you expand on those answers to convince someone with an open mind who doesn't just take "wrong" as a fact? You aint worth the trouble, because you dont have anything even remotely resembling anything like an open mind except in the sense that there is nothing viable between your ears. You know, I actually thought you were right, and had some experience or personal knowledge about the subject, but were just too lazy to expound on it. I have no idea who Pozos is, nor do I care. I've never thought about whether data found by evil Nazi methods is acceptable or censored. I don't think it really matters to me. But it's now obvious that you're just another Usenet idiot with an attitude whose posts I can ignore. Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag. |
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On Jul 28, 9:13 am, "Vito" wrote:
"Turby" wrote thought about whether data found by evil Nazi methods is acceptable or censored. I don't think it really matters to me. .... When I consider it ... suppose some evil scientist(s) used inhuman methods to discover say, a simple cure for cancer and AIDS - a benign pill one could take and be cancer and AIDS free for life. Should that info be supressed because of the way it was discovered?? Only if it involved embryonic stem cells. |
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Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
"Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Turby wrote: Rod Speed wrote Calif Bill wrote Rod Speed wrote Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Correct. Hard to find, Nope. and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Wrong. Probably enough to derail a career. Clearly hasnt derailed Pozos' Which pretty much excludes it use. Like hell it does. I don't have a horse in this race either way, but you're pretty loose with those laconic answers. You get to like that or lump it. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertions? Yep, Pozos hasnt had his career derailed and anyone with even half a clue can find the medical data being discussed. Or can you expand on those answers to convince someone with an open mind who doesn't just take "wrong" as a fact? You aint worth the trouble, because you dont have anything even remotely resembling anything like an open mind except in the sense that there is nothing viable between your ears. Pozoz may just not give a crap. But being formerly in the Bioengineering field before retiring, I saw the hoops first hand. |
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Jews Trying To Squash Wagner Opera In Los Angeles
"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Datesfat Chicks wrote Rod Speed wrote I do know that medical data obtained using unacceptable involuntary medical experiments during that era have essentially been excluded. No it hasnt. http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/NaziMedEx.html QUOTE: Pozos' plan to republish the Nazi data in the New England Journal of Medicine was flatly vetoed by the Journal's editor, Doctor Arnold Relman.15 Relman's refusal to publish Nazi data along with Pozos' comments was understandable given the source of the Nazi data and the way it was obtained. Says nothing useful about the rest of the medical data that hasnt been excluded. My understanding--and I'm not much of an Internet searcher-- is that consensus of the medical community was to exclude it. You're wrong. I didn't even know it was available. Corse it is. I clearly don't understand the issue very well ... please let me know where I'm wrong. Basically it hasnt been excluded. The question of the "exclusion" of the music No one is proposing that. Not in the same way, no. But censorship is nearly equivalent to exclusion in spirit. Nope. No one is even proposing all of Wagner's work be burnt etc or even that it should no longer be buyable either. The medical data is available. Hard to find, and is extremely frowned upon to use or quote. Probably enough to derail a career. Which pretty much excludes it use. In any case, the objection to the medical data is that it was obtained by using concentration camp inmates in ways that are considered to be inhumane. Given that Wagner died 6 years before Hitler was born, it's difficult to see how that particular objection could apply to him. I was only expounding on the bio information from the viewpoint of an engineer in the bioengineering field. Wagner "The ride of the Valkyries" is great. Sort of Apocalypse Now music. |
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