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On Aug 5, 11:19*am, NotNow wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:51:40 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

I heard today the they were putting Sodium silicate into the engines of
the "clunkers". *It seems that the silica could be removed after getting
credit by using Hydroflouric acid, which dissolves silica assuming no
parts were bent or broken

You do understand that sodium silicate is highly soluble in plain
water?

Casady

But after they add the sodium silicate they run the engine until it seizes.

What a brain dead stupid idea Cash For Clunkers has been. Can we do
the same for our clunker politicians, we wouldnt even have to do
anything to make sure the Dems are brain dead.

Actually a brilliant idea. More consolidation of power..

--
Wafa free since 2009

On Aug 5, 12:20*pm, Little John wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:53:31 -0400, H the K
wrote:



Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 5, 11:19 am, NotNow wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:51:40 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:
I heard today the they were putting Sodium silicate into the engines of
the "clunkers". *It seems that the silica could be removed after getting
credit by using Hydroflouric acid, which dissolves silica assuming no
parts were bent or broken
You do understand that sodium silicate is highly soluble in plain
water?
Casady
But after they add the sodium silicate they run the engine until it seizes.

What a brain dead stupid ideaCashForClunkershas been. *Can we do
the same for our clunker politicians, we wouldnt even have to do
anything to make sure the Dems are brain dead.

Brain dead? You seem to have the franchise on brain dead ideas around here.

It is 'brain dead' only if you think it was done for any reason other
than to get votes. If the purpose was to help the economy, a $4500
reduction in taxes would do much more.
--

John H

It looks to me that it really wasn't that great of a deal for small
dealers

A radio editorial:

MANAGER'S MEMO 8/25/09

Cash for Clunkers (CFC) ended yesterday. It was another government
program that came and went away. I can't remember a government
program that I actually thought was really good. I think there is
incredible waste in most programs paid for with other people's money.

Cash for Clunkers DID give Detroit a stimulus…car dealers and
salespeople got some help…some really bad cars and trucks are off the
road…and more efficient cars are replacing the bad ones.

A car salesman friend of mine working for a small dealership in a
western state told me some interesting things about CFC. After much
thought, their dealership did sign up for the program. There were
many, many hoops a dealer had to jump through in order to participate
not to mention getting new computers and scanners.

The first five days of CFC they saw easily 100 more customers than the
week before. Ten CFC deals were done immediately. My friend told me
it was fun and exciting….and hard work, explaining how the process
worked to those who did or did not qualify.

Of those ten deals…his dealership has been approved for payment for
one. ONE. That deal was finished almost a month ago. The other nine
took weeks to submit to the government because the government was not
ready to receive the information. When word came out that the program
was being canceled, the dealership pulled out of CFC that day. They
were not successful in trying to submit the other nine deals.

His dealership is small and can not afford to be left holding the bag
for nine times $4,500. My friend does trust the government to pay on
these deals…but he expects it to be years before they do. As of
yesterday (Monday), IRN/USA Radio News reported this morning that
625,000 deals were made nationwide. The CFC team now has 1,100
employees to wade through the claims…that's 568 claims per staff
person. If three claims are approved per day, that's 189 work days
for each employee. With weekends, vacation days, holidays, it will be
almost a year before dealers are paid.

CFC should have been better planned. And you know what scares me…how
could the government ever expect to run a health care program? ..."

Tim wrote:
On Aug 5, 12:20 pm, Little John wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:53:31 -0400, H the K
wrote:



Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 5, 11:19 am, NotNow wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:51:40 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:
I heard today the they were putting Sodium silicate into the engines of
the "clunkers". It seems that the silica could be removed after getting
credit by using Hydroflouric acid, which dissolves silica assuming no
parts were bent or broken
You do understand that sodium silicate is highly soluble in plain
water?
Casady
But after they add the sodium silicate they run the engine until it seizes.
What a brain dead stupid ideaCashForClunkershas been. Can we do
the same for our clunker politicians, we wouldnt even have to do
anything to make sure the Dems are brain dead.
Brain dead? You seem to have the franchise on brain dead ideas around here.
It is 'brain dead' only if you think it was done for any reason other
than to get votes. If the purpose was to help the economy, a $4500
reduction in taxes would do much more.
--

John H

It looks to me that it really wasn't that great of a deal for small
dealers

A radio editorial:

MANAGER'S MEMO 8/25/09

Cash for Clunkers (CFC) ended yesterday. It was another government
program that came and went away. I can't remember a government
program that I actually thought was really good. I think there is
incredible waste in most programs paid for with other people's money.

Cash for Clunkers DID give Detroit a stimulus…car dealers and
salespeople got some help…some really bad cars and trucks are off the
road…and more efficient cars are replacing the bad ones.

A car salesman friend of mine working for a small dealership in a
western state told me some interesting things about CFC. After much
thought, their dealership did sign up for the program. There were
many, many hoops a dealer had to jump through in order to participate
not to mention getting new computers and scanners.

The first five days of CFC they saw easily 100 more customers than the
week before. Ten CFC deals were done immediately. My friend told me
it was fun and exciting….and hard work, explaining how the process
worked to those who did or did not qualify.

Of those ten deals…his dealership has been approved for payment for
one. ONE. That deal was finished almost a month ago. The other nine
took weeks to submit to the government because the government was not
ready to receive the information. When word came out that the program
was being canceled, the dealership pulled out of CFC that day. They
were not successful in trying to submit the other nine deals.

His dealership is small and can not afford to be left holding the bag
for nine times $4,500. My friend does trust the government to pay on
these deals…but he expects it to be years before they do. As of
yesterday (Monday), IRN/USA Radio News reported this morning that
625,000 deals were made nationwide. The CFC team now has 1,100
employees to wade through the claims…that's 568 claims per staff
person. If three claims are approved per day, that's 189 work days
for each employee. With weekends, vacation days, holidays, it will be
almost a year before dealers are paid.

CFC should have been better planned. And you know what scares me…how
could the government ever expect to run a health care program? ..."



It's too bad the last GOP president and his staff so ****ed up this
country's economy that drastic measures are necessary to revive it.

On Aug 31, 9:03*pm, H the K wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 5, 12:20 pm, Little John wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:53:31 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 5, 11:19 am, NotNow wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:51:40 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:
I heard today the they were putting Sodium silicate into the engines of
the "clunkers". *It seems that the silica could be removed after getting
credit by using Hydroflouric acid, which dissolves silica assuming no
parts were bent or broken
You do understand that sodium silicate is highly soluble in plain
water?
Casady
But after they add the sodium silicate they run the engine until it seizes.
What a brain dead stupid ideaCashForClunkershas been. *Can we do
the same for our clunker politicians, we wouldnt even have to do
anything to make sure the Dems are brain dead.
Brain dead? You seem to have the franchise on brain dead ideas around here.
It is 'brain dead' only if you think it was done for any reason other
than to get votes. If the purpose was to help the economy, a $4500
reduction in taxes would do much more.
--

John H

It looks to me that it really wasn't that great of a deal for small
dealers

A radio editorial:

MANAGER'S MEMO * 8/25/09

Cash for Clunkers (CFC) ended yesterday. *It was another government
program that came and went away. *I can't remember a government
program that I actually thought was really good. *I think there is
incredible waste in most programs paid for with other people's money.

Cash for Clunkers DID give Detroit a stimulus…car dealers and
salespeople got some help…some really bad cars and trucks are off the
road…and more efficient cars are replacing the bad ones.

A car salesman friend of mine working for a small dealership in a
western state told me some interesting things about CFC. *After much
thought, their dealership did sign up for the program. *There were
many, many hoops a dealer had to jump through in order to participate
not to mention getting new computers and scanners.

The first five days of CFC they saw easily 100 more customers than the
week before. *Ten CFC deals were done immediately. *My friend told me
it was fun and exciting….and hard work, explaining how the process
worked to those who did or did not qualify.

Of those ten deals…his dealership has been approved for payment for
one. *ONE. *That deal was finished almost a month ago. *The other nine
took weeks to submit to the government because the government was not
ready to receive the information. *When word came out that the program
was being canceled, the dealership pulled out of CFC that day. *They
were not successful in trying to submit the other nine deals.

His dealership is small and can not afford to be left holding the bag
for nine times $4,500. *My friend does trust the government to pay on
these deals…but he expects it to be years before they do. *As of
yesterday (Monday), IRN/USA Radio News reported this morning that
625,000 deals were made nationwide. *The CFC team now has 1,100
employees to wade through the claims…that's 568 claims per staff
person. *If three claims are approved per day, that's 189 work days
for each employee. *With weekends, vacation days, holidays, it will be
almost a year before dealers are paid.

CFC should have been better planned. *And you know what scares me…how
could the government ever expect to run a health care program? *..."

It's too bad the last GOP president and his staff so ****ed up this
country's economy that drastic measures are necessary to revive it.

Well, so far I haven't seen much reviving, but I've seen the drastic
measures.

Tim wrote:
On Aug 31, 9:03 pm, H the K wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 5, 12:20 pm, Little John wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:53:31 -0400, H the K
wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 5, 11:19 am, NotNow wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:51:40 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:
I heard today the they were putting Sodium silicate into the engines of
the "clunkers". It seems that the silica could be removed after getting
credit by using Hydroflouric acid, which dissolves silica assuming no
parts were bent or broken
You do understand that sodium silicate is highly soluble in plain
water?
Casady
But after they add the sodium silicate they run the engine until it seizes.
What a brain dead stupid ideaCashForClunkershas been. Can we do
the same for our clunker politicians, we wouldnt even have to do
anything to make sure the Dems are brain dead.
Brain dead? You seem to have the franchise on brain dead ideas around here.
It is 'brain dead' only if you think it was done for any reason other
than to get votes. If the purpose was to help the economy, a $4500
reduction in taxes would do much more.
--
John H
It looks to me that it really wasn't that great of a deal for small
dealers
A radio editorial:
MANAGER'S MEMO 8/25/09
Cash for Clunkers (CFC) ended yesterday. It was another government
program that came and went away. I can't remember a government
program that I actually thought was really good. I think there is
incredible waste in most programs paid for with other people's money.
Cash for Clunkers DID give Detroit a stimulus…car dealers and
salespeople got some help…some really bad cars and trucks are off the
road…and more efficient cars are replacing the bad ones.
A car salesman friend of mine working for a small dealership in a
western state told me some interesting things about CFC. After much
thought, their dealership did sign up for the program. There were
many, many hoops a dealer had to jump through in order to participate
not to mention getting new computers and scanners.
The first five days of CFC they saw easily 100 more customers than the
week before. Ten CFC deals were done immediately. My friend told me
it was fun and exciting….and hard work, explaining how the process
worked to those who did or did not qualify.
Of those ten deals…his dealership has been approved for payment for
one. ONE. That deal was finished almost a month ago. The other nine
took weeks to submit to the government because the government was not
ready to receive the information. When word came out that the program
was being canceled, the dealership pulled out of CFC that day. They
were not successful in trying to submit the other nine deals.
His dealership is small and can not afford to be left holding the bag
for nine times $4,500. My friend does trust the government to pay on
these deals…but he expects it to be years before they do. As of
yesterday (Monday), IRN/USA Radio News reported this morning that
625,000 deals were made nationwide. The CFC team now has 1,100
employees to wade through the claims…that's 568 claims per staff
person. If three claims are approved per day, that's 189 work days
for each employee. With weekends, vacation days, holidays, it will be
almost a year before dealers are paid.
CFC should have been better planned. And you know what scares me…how
could the government ever expect to run a health care program? ..."
It's too bad the last GOP president and his staff so ****ed up this
country's economy that drastic measures are necessary to revive it.

Well, so far I haven't seen much reviving, but I've seen the drastic
measures.



Drastic? That's not the word I would use. Obamanation is printing
money at an amazing rate. Undoing HIS early work will cost us all
dearly for many, many years.

D 2 wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 31, 9:03 pm, H the K wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 5, 12:20 pm, Little John wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:53:31 -0400, H the K
wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 5, 11:19 am, NotNow wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:51:40 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:
I heard today the they were putting Sodium silicate into the
engines of
the "clunkers". It seems that the silica could be removed
after getting
credit by using Hydroflouric acid, which dissolves silica
assuming no
parts were bent or broken
You do understand that sodium silicate is highly soluble in plain
water?
Casady
But after they add the sodium silicate they run the engine until
it seizes.
What a brain dead stupid ideaCashForClunkershas been. Can we do
the same for our clunker politicians, we wouldnt even have to do
anything to make sure the Dems are brain dead.
Brain dead? You seem to have the franchise on brain dead ideas
around here.
It is 'brain dead' only if you think it was done for any reason other
than to get votes. If the purpose was to help the economy, a $4500
reduction in taxes would do much more.
--
John H
It looks to me that it really wasn't that great of a deal for small
dealers
A radio editorial:
MANAGER'S MEMO 8/25/09
Cash for Clunkers (CFC) ended yesterday. It was another government
program that came and went away. I can't remember a government
program that I actually thought was really good. I think there is
incredible waste in most programs paid for with other people's money.
Cash for Clunkers DID give Detroit a stimulus…car dealers and
salespeople got some help…some really bad cars and trucks are off the
road…and more efficient cars are replacing the bad ones.
A car salesman friend of mine working for a small dealership in a
western state told me some interesting things about CFC. After much
thought, their dealership did sign up for the program. There were
many, many hoops a dealer had to jump through in order to participate
not to mention getting new computers and scanners.
The first five days of CFC they saw easily 100 more customers than the
week before. Ten CFC deals were done immediately. My friend told me
it was fun and exciting….and hard work, explaining how the process
worked to those who did or did not qualify.
Of those ten deals…his dealership has been approved for payment for
one. ONE. That deal was finished almost a month ago. The other nine
took weeks to submit to the government because the government was not
ready to receive the information. When word came out that the program
was being canceled, the dealership pulled out of CFC that day. They
were not successful in trying to submit the other nine deals.
His dealership is small and can not afford to be left holding the bag
for nine times $4,500. My friend does trust the government to pay on
these deals…but he expects it to be years before they do. As of
yesterday (Monday), IRN/USA Radio News reported this morning that
625,000 deals were made nationwide. The CFC team now has 1,100
employees to wade through the claims…that's 568 claims per staff
person. If three claims are approved per day, that's 189 work days
for each employee. With weekends, vacation days, holidays, it will be
almost a year before dealers are paid.
CFC should have been better planned. And you know what scares me…how
could the government ever expect to run a health care program? ..."
It's too bad the last GOP president and his staff so ****ed up this
country's economy that drastic measures are necessary to revive it.

Well, so far I haven't seen much reviving, but I've seen the drastic
measures.



Drastic? That's not the word I would use. Obamanation is printing
money at an amazing rate. Undoing HIS early work will cost us all
dearly for many, many years.

Actually, on the radio just this morning, they were talking about
dealers that want the program started back up, because they were selling
cars at a good clip, then when the program stopped, the sales rooms are
empty.

NotNow wrote:
D 2 wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 31, 9:03 pm, H the K wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 5, 12:20 pm, Little John wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:53:31 -0400, H the K

wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 5, 11:19 am, NotNow wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:51:40 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:
I heard today the they were putting Sodium silicate into the
engines of
the "clunkers". It seems that the silica could be removed
after getting
credit by using Hydroflouric acid, which dissolves silica
assuming no
parts were bent or broken
You do understand that sodium silicate is highly soluble in plain
water?
Casady
But after they add the sodium silicate they run the engine
until it seizes.
What a brain dead stupid ideaCashForClunkershas been. Can we do
the same for our clunker politicians, we wouldnt even have to do
anything to make sure the Dems are brain dead.
Brain dead? You seem to have the franchise on brain dead ideas
around here.
It is 'brain dead' only if you think it was done for any reason other
than to get votes. If the purpose was to help the economy, a $4500
reduction in taxes would do much more.
--
John H
It looks to me that it really wasn't that great of a deal for small
dealers
A radio editorial:
MANAGER'S MEMO 8/25/09
Cash for Clunkers (CFC) ended yesterday. It was another government
program that came and went away. I can't remember a government
program that I actually thought was really good. I think there is
incredible waste in most programs paid for with other people's money.
Cash for Clunkers DID give Detroit a stimulus…car dealers and
salespeople got some help…some really bad cars and trucks are off the
road…and more efficient cars are replacing the bad ones.
A car salesman friend of mine working for a small dealership in a
western state told me some interesting things about CFC. After much
thought, their dealership did sign up for the program. There were
many, many hoops a dealer had to jump through in order to participate
not to mention getting new computers and scanners.
The first five days of CFC they saw easily 100 more customers than the
week before. Ten CFC deals were done immediately. My friend told me
it was fun and exciting….and hard work, explaining how the process
worked to those who did or did not qualify.
Of those ten deals…his dealership has been approved for payment for
one. ONE. That deal was finished almost a month ago. The other nine
took weeks to submit to the government because the government was not
ready to receive the information. When word came out that the program
was being canceled, the dealership pulled out of CFC that day. They
were not successful in trying to submit the other nine deals.
His dealership is small and can not afford to be left holding the bag
for nine times $4,500. My friend does trust the government to pay on
these deals…but he expects it to be years before they do. As of
yesterday (Monday), IRN/USA Radio News reported this morning that
625,000 deals were made nationwide. The CFC team now has 1,100
employees to wade through the claims…that's 568 claims per staff
person. If three claims are approved per day, that's 189 work days
for each employee. With weekends, vacation days, holidays, it will be
almost a year before dealers are paid.
CFC should have been better planned. And you know what scares me…how
could the government ever expect to run a health care program? ..."
It's too bad the last GOP president and his staff so ****ed up this
country's economy that drastic measures are necessary to revive it.

Well, so far I haven't seen much reviving, but I've seen the drastic
measures.



Drastic? That's not the word I would use. Obamanation is printing
money at an amazing rate. Undoing HIS early work will cost us all
dearly for many, many years.

Actually, on the radio just this morning, they were talking about
dealers that want the program started back up, because they were selling
cars at a good clip, then when the program stopped, the sales rooms are
empty.

I understand that but the same could be said about anything. $500
rebates on computers would keep Best Buy, and the rest, busy while that
lasts, too. It's a matter of paying it all back later that concerns me.