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On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:00:10 -0400, BAR wrote:
H the K wrote: BAR wrote: NotNow wrote: That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North Korea, and used that damned namby-pamby liberal bull**** called diplomacy and got those journalists released. Clinton was used. Clinton got the young ladies out of North Korea. That's what matters. Where was your president, you know...Dubya...drunk? What did Obama do to get them out? Absolutely nothing! Hey Bert! I finally shot a 90 on Greendale today. Yippee. I'll get to the 80's one of these years. -- John H |
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On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:50:32 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: and the spin begins.... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...667176234.html "But the important question going forward is whether Mr. Clinton’s visit was merely the down payment Kim extracted from the Obama Administration for a potentially larger set of American concessions." The answer is 'no' because Loogy got all over me yesterday when I suggested the same thing. -- John H |
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On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 07:31:30 -0400, BAR wrote:
H the K wrote: BAR wrote: H the K wrote: BAR wrote: H the K wrote: BAR wrote: NotNow wrote: That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North Korea, and used that damned namby-pamby liberal bull**** called diplomacy and got those journalists released. Clinton was used. Clinton got the young ladies out of North Korea. That's what matters. Where was your president, you know...Dubya...drunk? What did Obama do to get them out? Absolutely nothing! How would you know that? Enlighten me. Enlightening you would be a Sisyphean task. Your grasp of politics as played, yes played, on the world stage is staggeringly light. And he's been picking up words from Bill O'Reilly. -- John H |
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On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:51:54 -0400, NotNow wrote:
Little John wrote: On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:56:58 -0400, NotNow wrote: Little John wrote: On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:06:58 -0400, NotNow wrote: That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North Korea, and used that damned namby-pamby liberal bull**** called diplomacy and got those journalists released. Of course, we don't know (yet) what we gave them. Forgiveness for developing nukes? Missile development details? Promises for reduced penalties? Or do you think it was just 'personality'? Remember, diplomacy is a two-way street. -- John H The White House is saying Clinton went on his own. I didn't know he had the authority to do any of the above. But, I do notice that without one shred of evidence or even hearsay, you've swept it under the carpet as a bad thing. I said no such thing. My, you are good at attempting to put words in the mouths of others. Do you believe that diplomacy is a one way street? Do you really believe Kim did thissimply as a reflection of North Korea's "humanitarian and peaceloving policy"? -- John H Okay, so I was wrong. You like the fact that Clinton is a humanitarian on a humanitarian mission and you like the fact that he was, indeed great enough to get the reporters released. Yes, you were wrong. Are you changing your line from 'diplomacy' to 'humanitarian mission'? Do you honestly believe Kim, Jong Il will get nothing out of this but 'charitable feelings'? -- John H |
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JustWait wrote:
In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JR North wrote: Won't matter. NC is still on the Glass Bowl list. JR NotNow wrote: That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North Korea, and used that damned namby-pamby liberal bull**** called diplomacy and got those journalists released. North Carolina?? Whatever the deal was, it was set up long before President Clinton got his plane tickets... And you know this how? Well, because deals this big don't happen in 25 minutes in a room with two men... No airplane tickets were involved. The 737 was "donated" for the mission. The process for the return of young women was initiated some weeks ago when the North Koreans told the women they could be released if President Bill came for a visit. Clinton was trying to thaw relations with the North Koreans at the end of his terms. Bush, of course, was too stupid to follow up...and the situation between the two countries further deteriorated. I have a feeling Bush isn't going to be called upon much for missions of diplomacy...or anything else. |
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On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:52:27 -0400, H the K
wrote: JustWait wrote: In article , says... JustWait wrote: In article , says... JR North wrote: Won't matter. NC is still on the Glass Bowl list. JR NotNow wrote: That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North Korea, and used that damned namby-pamby liberal bull**** called diplomacy and got those journalists released. North Carolina?? Whatever the deal was, it was set up long before President Clinton got his plane tickets... And you know this how? Well, because deals this big don't happen in 25 minutes in a room with two men... No airplane tickets were involved. The 737 was "donated" for the mission. The process for the return of young women was initiated some weeks ago when the North Koreans told the women they could be released if President Bill came for a visit. Clinton was trying to thaw relations with the North Koreans at the end of his terms. Bush, of course, was too stupid to follow up...and the situation between the two countries further deteriorated. I have a feeling Bush isn't going to be called upon much for missions of diplomacy...or anything else. Excepting expensive, superficial talks to the faithful. |
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On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:04:57 -0400, NotNow wrote: wrote: On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:06:58 -0400, NotNow wrote: That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North Korea, and used that damned namby-pamby liberal bull**** called diplomacy and got those journalists released. It was simply a way of giving Lil Kim the photo op with an important American kissing his ass that he demanded without actually sending a government official. I guess Jimmy Carter was busy. Sarah Palin probably would have worked too ... by golly Yeah. We should have just let Kim do anything he wanted with our innocent Americans. We are not really sure what was in the bag, we just know who the bag man was. I imagine we gave them a fat foreign aid package. The lesson reaffirmed was, take hostages or threaten us and the US will pay up. That has been true at least since the Kennedy administration when JFK gave Kruschev everything he wanted to get the missiles out of Cuba, in spite of a lot of gothic theater and saber rattling. And what do you think would have happened if there was a (R) in office? Kim asked specifically for Clinton. Clinton had the fortitude and compassion to help DESPITE what he knew the naysayers would say about him. What has come out here in rec.boats is foolish even on a Harry scale of political one-sidedness. |
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Little John wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:51:54 -0400, NotNow wrote: Little John wrote: On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:56:58 -0400, NotNow wrote: Little John wrote: On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:06:58 -0400, NotNow wrote: That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North Korea, and used that damned namby-pamby liberal bull**** called diplomacy and got those journalists released. Of course, we don't know (yet) what we gave them. Forgiveness for developing nukes? Missile development details? Promises for reduced penalties? Or do you think it was just 'personality'? Remember, diplomacy is a two-way street. -- John H The White House is saying Clinton went on his own. I didn't know he had the authority to do any of the above. But, I do notice that without one shred of evidence or even hearsay, you've swept it under the carpet as a bad thing. I said no such thing. My, you are good at attempting to put words in the mouths of others. Do you believe that diplomacy is a one way street? Do you really believe Kim did thissimply as a reflection of North Korea's "humanitarian and peaceloving policy"? -- John H Okay, so I was wrong. You like the fact that Clinton is a humanitarian on a humanitarian mission and you like the fact that he was, indeed great enough to get the reporters released. Yes, you were wrong. Are you changing your line from 'diplomacy' to 'humanitarian mission'? Do you honestly believe Kim, Jong Il will get nothing out of this but 'charitable feelings'? -- John H I don't know John, perhaps we should have left those asshole sissy journalists to die at the hands of Kim? Or would you suggest 10's of billions in war debt? |
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