On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:00:10 -0400, BAR wrote:

H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North Korea, and
used that damned namby-pamby liberal bull**** called diplomacy and
got those journalists released.

Clinton was used.



Clinton got the young ladies out of North Korea. That's what matters.

Where was your president, you know...Dubya...drunk?

What did Obama do to get them out? Absolutely nothing!

Hey Bert!

I finally shot a 90 on Greendale today. Yippee. I'll get to the 80's
one of these years.
--

John H

On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:50:32 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

and the spin begins....

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...667176234.html

"But the important question going forward is whether Mr. Clinton’s
visit was merely the down payment Kim extracted from the Obama
Administration for a potentially larger set of American concessions."

The answer is 'no' because Loogy got all over me yesterday when I
suggested the same thing.
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John H

On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 07:31:30 -0400, BAR wrote:

H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North Korea,
and used that damned namby-pamby liberal bull**** called
diplomacy and got those journalists released.

Clinton was used.



Clinton got the young ladies out of North Korea. That's what matters.

Where was your president, you know...Dubya...drunk?

What did Obama do to get them out? Absolutely nothing!



How would you know that?

Enlighten me.



Enlightening you would be a Sisyphean task.

Your grasp of politics as played, yes played, on the world stage is
staggeringly light.

And he's been picking up words from Bill O'Reilly.
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John H

On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:51:54 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Little John wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:56:58 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Little John wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:06:58 -0400, NotNow wrote:

That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North Korea, and used
that damned namby-pamby liberal bull**** called diplomacy and got those
journalists released.
Of course, we don't know (yet) what we gave them. Forgiveness for
developing nukes? Missile development details? Promises for reduced
penalties?

Or do you think it was just 'personality'? Remember, diplomacy is a
two-way street.
--

John H
The White House is saying Clinton went on his own. I didn't know he had
the authority to do any of the above. But, I do notice that without one
shred of evidence or even hearsay, you've swept it under the carpet as a
bad thing.

I said no such thing. My, you are good at attempting to put words in
the mouths of others.

Do you believe that diplomacy is a one way street? Do you really
believe Kim did thissimply as a reflection of North Korea's
"humanitarian and peaceloving policy"?
--

John H

Okay, so I was wrong. You like the fact that Clinton is a humanitarian
on a humanitarian mission and you like the fact that he was, indeed
great enough to get the reporters released.

Yes, you were wrong.

Are you changing your line from 'diplomacy' to 'humanitarian mission'?

Do you honestly believe Kim, Jong Il will get nothing out of this but
'charitable feelings'?
--

John H

In article ,
says...

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JR North wrote:
Won't matter. NC is still on the Glass Bowl list.
JR


NotNow wrote:

That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North Korea, and
used that damned namby-pamby liberal bull**** called diplomacy and got
those journalists released.
North Carolina??

Whatever the deal was, it was set up long before President Clinton got
his plane tickets...

And you know this how?

Well, because deals this big don't happen in 25 minutes in a room with
two men...

--
Wafa free since 2009

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JR North wrote:
Won't matter. NC is still on the Glass Bowl list.
JR


NotNow wrote:

That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North Korea, and
used that damned namby-pamby liberal bull**** called diplomacy and got
those journalists released.
North Carolina??
Whatever the deal was, it was set up long before President Clinton got
his plane tickets...

And you know this how?

Well, because deals this big don't happen in 25 minutes in a room with
two men...



No airplane tickets were involved. The 737 was "donated" for the
mission. The process for the return of young women was initiated some
weeks ago when the North Koreans told the women they could be released
if President Bill came for a visit.

Clinton was trying to thaw relations with the North Koreans at the end
of his terms. Bush, of course, was too stupid to follow up...and the
situation between the two countries further deteriorated.

I have a feeling Bush isn't going to be called upon much for missions of
diplomacy...or anything else.

On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:52:27 -0400, H the K
wrote:

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JR North wrote:
Won't matter. NC is still on the Glass Bowl list.
JR


NotNow wrote:

That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North Korea, and
used that damned namby-pamby liberal bull**** called diplomacy and got
those journalists released.
North Carolina??
Whatever the deal was, it was set up long before President Clinton got
his plane tickets...

And you know this how?

Well, because deals this big don't happen in 25 minutes in a room with
two men...



No airplane tickets were involved. The 737 was "donated" for the
mission. The process for the return of young women was initiated some
weeks ago when the North Koreans told the women they could be released
if President Bill came for a visit.

Clinton was trying to thaw relations with the North Koreans at the end
of his terms. Bush, of course, was too stupid to follow up...and the
situation between the two countries further deteriorated.

I have a feeling Bush isn't going to be called upon much for missions of
diplomacy...or anything else.

Excepting expensive, superficial talks to the faithful.

On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:50:38 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:04:57 -0400, NotNow wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:06:58 -0400, NotNow wrote:

That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North Korea, and used
that damned namby-pamby liberal bull**** called diplomacy and got those
journalists released.

It was simply a way of giving Lil Kim the photo op with an important
American kissing his ass that he demanded without actually sending a
government official. I guess Jimmy Carter was busy.
Sarah Palin probably would have worked too ... by golly


Yeah. We should have just let Kim do anything he wanted with our
innocent Americans.

We are not really sure what was in the bag, we just know who the bag
man was. I imagine we gave them a fat foreign aid package.
The lesson reaffirmed was, take hostages or threaten us and the US
will pay up.
That has been true at least since the Kennedy administration when JFK
gave Kruschev everything he wanted to get the missiles out of Cuba, in
spite of a lot of gothic theater and saber rattling.

We gave them a photo op. KJI made it into a state visit to bolster
his own image within the country. He's trying to manipulate handing
power to his son and he's not doing as well as he'd like in the being
worshipped department.

This was purely KJI proving that he had the stones and the leverage to
get a former president to come to NK.

If we gave them anything, it'd have come through the State Department
and official channels.

wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:04:57 -0400, NotNow wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:06:58 -0400, NotNow wrote:

That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North Korea, and used
that damned namby-pamby liberal bull**** called diplomacy and got those
journalists released.
It was simply a way of giving Lil Kim the photo op with an important
American kissing his ass that he demanded without actually sending a
government official. I guess Jimmy Carter was busy.
Sarah Palin probably would have worked too ... by golly

Yeah. We should have just let Kim do anything he wanted with our
innocent Americans.

We are not really sure what was in the bag, we just know who the bag
man was. I imagine we gave them a fat foreign aid package.
The lesson reaffirmed was, take hostages or threaten us and the US
will pay up.
That has been true at least since the Kennedy administration when JFK
gave Kruschev everything he wanted to get the missiles out of Cuba, in
spite of a lot of gothic theater and saber rattling.

And what do you think would have happened if there was a (R) in office?
Kim asked specifically for Clinton. Clinton had the fortitude and
compassion to help DESPITE what he knew the naysayers would say about
him. What has come out here in rec.boats is foolish even on a Harry
scale of political one-sidedness.

Little John wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:51:54 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Little John wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:56:58 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Little John wrote:
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:06:58 -0400, NotNow wrote:

That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North Korea, and used
that damned namby-pamby liberal bull**** called diplomacy and got those
journalists released.
Of course, we don't know (yet) what we gave them. Forgiveness for
developing nukes? Missile development details? Promises for reduced
penalties?

Or do you think it was just 'personality'? Remember, diplomacy is a
two-way street.
--

John H
The White House is saying Clinton went on his own. I didn't know he had
the authority to do any of the above. But, I do notice that without one
shred of evidence or even hearsay, you've swept it under the carpet as a
bad thing.
I said no such thing. My, you are good at attempting to put words in
the mouths of others.

Do you believe that diplomacy is a one way street? Do you really
believe Kim did thissimply as a reflection of North Korea's
"humanitarian and peaceloving policy"?
--

John H
Okay, so I was wrong. You like the fact that Clinton is a humanitarian
on a humanitarian mission and you like the fact that he was, indeed
great enough to get the reporters released.

Yes, you were wrong.

Are you changing your line from 'diplomacy' to 'humanitarian mission'?

Do you honestly believe Kim, Jong Il will get nothing out of this but
'charitable feelings'?
--

John H
I don't know John, perhaps we should have left those asshole sissy
journalists to die at the hands of Kim? Or would you suggest 10's of
billions in war debt?