BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North
Korea, and used that damned namby-pamby liberal bull****
called diplomacy and got those journalists released.

Clinton was used.



Clinton got the young ladies out of North Korea. That's what
matters.

Where was your president, you know...Dubya...drunk?

What did Obama do to get them out? Absolutely nothing!



How would you know that?

Enlighten me.



Enlightening you would be a Sisyphean task.

Your grasp of politics as played, yes played, on the world stage is
staggeringly light.


This from a dummy who joined the marines instead of going to college?

It sucks when a guy you believe is dumber than you actually knows
more about the world than you do, isn't it Harry?

And it is Marines with a capital M.



A. If you are referring to yourself, I've not seen anything to
substantiate your claim.
'
B. Sorry, but "capital M" doesn't pass my who gives a **** test.
It is marines.

That's what people find so dis-likable about you.


And I thought it was because my feet smelled.

H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North
Korea, and used that damned namby-pamby liberal bull****
called diplomacy and got those journalists released.

Clinton was used.



Clinton got the young ladies out of North Korea. That's what
matters.

Where was your president, you know...Dubya...drunk?

What did Obama do to get them out? Absolutely nothing!



How would you know that?

Enlighten me.



Enlightening you would be a Sisyphean task.

Your grasp of politics as played, yes played, on the world stage
is staggeringly light.


This from a dummy who joined the marines instead of going to college?

It sucks when a guy you believe is dumber than you actually knows
more about the world than you do, isn't it Harry?

And it is Marines with a capital M.



A. If you are referring to yourself, I've not seen anything to
substantiate your claim.
'
B. Sorry, but "capital M" doesn't pass my who gives a **** test.
It is marines.

That's what people find so dis-likable about you.


And I thought it was because my feet smelled.


Ask Karen about that.

H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North
Korea, and used that damned namby-pamby liberal bull****
called diplomacy and got those journalists released.

Clinton was used.



Clinton got the young ladies out of North Korea. That's what
matters.

Where was your president, you know...Dubya...drunk?

What did Obama do to get them out? Absolutely nothing!



How would you know that?

Enlighten me.



Enlightening you would be a Sisyphean task.

Your grasp of politics as played, yes played, on the world stage is
staggeringly light.


This from a dummy who joined the marines instead of going to college?

It sucks when a guy you believe is dumber than you actually knows more
about the world than you do, isn't it Harry?

And it is Marines with a capital M.



A. If you are referring to yourself, I've not seen anything to
substantiate your claim.
'
B. Sorry, but "capital M" doesn't pass my who gives a **** test.
It is marines.

Well then Krausie, I guess that makes you a capital t Turd capital b
Blossom of the highest magnitude. I'll bet you don't talk like this down
at the union hall. The boys would lay you out cold. Id also bet that if
they knew you were a pussy draft dodger, they'd lay you out for that too.

it's me, Jim wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North
Korea, and used that damned namby-pamby liberal bull****
called diplomacy and got those journalists released.

Clinton was used.



Clinton got the young ladies out of North Korea. That's what
matters.

Where was your president, you know...Dubya...drunk?

What did Obama do to get them out? Absolutely nothing!



How would you know that?

Enlighten me.



Enlightening you would be a Sisyphean task.

Your grasp of politics as played, yes played, on the world stage is
staggeringly light.


This from a dummy who joined the marines instead of going to college?

It sucks when a guy you believe is dumber than you actually knows
more about the world than you do, isn't it Harry?

And it is Marines with a capital M.



A. If you are referring to yourself, I've not seen anything to
substantiate your claim.
'
B. Sorry, but "capital M" doesn't pass my who gives a **** test.
It is marines.

Well then Krausie, I guess that makes you a capital t Turd capital b
Blossom of the highest magnitude. I'll bet you don't talk like this down
at the union hall. The boys would lay you out cold. Id also bet that if
they knew you were a pussy draft dodger, they'd lay you out for that too.

Harry has a crinkled up 40 odd year old note from the draft board saying
that he has flat feet.

H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North
Korea, and used that damned namby-pamby liberal bull****
called diplomacy and got those journalists released.

Clinton was used.



Clinton got the young ladies out of North Korea. That's what
matters.

Where was your president, you know...Dubya...drunk?

What did Obama do to get them out? Absolutely nothing!



How would you know that?

Enlighten me.



Enlightening you would be a Sisyphean task.

Your grasp of politics as played, yes played, on the world stage
is staggeringly light.


This from a dummy who joined the marines instead of going to college?

It sucks when a guy you believe is dumber than you actually knows
more about the world than you do, isn't it Harry?

And it is Marines with a capital M.



A. If you are referring to yourself, I've not seen anything to
substantiate your claim.
'
B. Sorry, but "capital M" doesn't pass my who gives a **** test.
It is marines.

That's what people find so dis-likable about you.


And I thought it was because my feet smelled.


No, dear Harold, it's the whole package that stinks.

On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:55:00 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:41:31 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:00:54 -0700, jps wrote:

We are not really sure what was in the bag, we just know who the bag
man was. I imagine we gave them a fat foreign aid package.
The lesson reaffirmed was, take hostages or threaten us and the US
will pay up.
That has been true at least since the Kennedy administration when JFK
gave Kruschev everything he wanted to get the missiles out of Cuba, in
spite of a lot of gothic theater and saber rattling.

We gave them a photo op. KJI made it into a state visit to bolster
his own image within the country. He's trying to manipulate handing
power to his son and he's not doing as well as he'd like in the being
worshipped department.

This was purely KJI proving that he had the stones and the leverage to
get a former president to come to NK.

If we gave them anything, it'd have come through the State Department
and official channels.

I am sure the concessions did come through the State Department. The
former president does speak to the SoS occasionally ... I imagine.

The deal was that Clinton's appearance would reflect well on dear
leader. That was payment enough.

That's what the right wing talk show guys were saying. That is the
minimum payment he got.
--

John H

BAR wrote:
it's me, Jim wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
That no good dirty, nasty liberal ******* went to North
Korea, and used that damned namby-pamby liberal bull****
called diplomacy and got those journalists released.

Clinton was used.



Clinton got the young ladies out of North Korea. That's what
matters.

Where was your president, you know...Dubya...drunk?

What did Obama do to get them out? Absolutely nothing!



How would you know that?

Enlighten me.



Enlightening you would be a Sisyphean task.

Your grasp of politics as played, yes played, on the world stage
is staggeringly light.


This from a dummy who joined the marines instead of going to college?

It sucks when a guy you believe is dumber than you actually knows
more about the world than you do, isn't it Harry?

And it is Marines with a capital M.



A. If you are referring to yourself, I've not seen anything to
substantiate your claim.
'
B. Sorry, but "capital M" doesn't pass my who gives a **** test.
It is marines.

Well then Krausie, I guess that makes you a capital t Turd capital b
Blossom of the highest magnitude. I'll bet you don't talk like this
down at the union hall. The boys would lay you out cold. Id also bet
that if they knew you were a pussy draft dodger, they'd lay you out
for that too.

Harry has a crinkled up 40 odd year old note from the draft board saying
that he has flat feet.

Nope. I went from II-S to 1-A, but I was never got the letter telling me
to report for a pre-induction physical. What's your point? It's not as
if you ever saw enemy fire. Big brave "stateside" marine...big whoop.

On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:15:53 -0400, Little John
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:55:00 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:41:31 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:00:54 -0700, jps wrote:

We are not really sure what was in the bag, we just know who the bag
man was. I imagine we gave them a fat foreign aid package.
The lesson reaffirmed was, take hostages or threaten us and the US
will pay up.
That has been true at least since the Kennedy administration when JFK
gave Kruschev everything he wanted to get the missiles out of Cuba, in
spite of a lot of gothic theater and saber rattling.

We gave them a photo op. KJI made it into a state visit to bolster
his own image within the country. He's trying to manipulate handing
power to his son and he's not doing as well as he'd like in the being
worshipped department.

This was purely KJI proving that he had the stones and the leverage to
get a former president to come to NK.

If we gave them anything, it'd have come through the State Department
and official channels.

I am sure the concessions did come through the State Department. The
former president does speak to the SoS occasionally ... I imagine.

The deal was that Clinton's appearance would reflect well on dear
leader. That was payment enough.

That's what the right wing talk show guys were saying. That is the
minimum payment he got.

Jesus ****in' Christ, don't tell me we agree on something.

wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:43:42 -0400, NotNow wrote:

We are not really sure what was in the bag, we just know who the bag
man was. I imagine we gave them a fat foreign aid package.
The lesson reaffirmed was, take hostages or threaten us and the US
will pay up.
That has been true at least since the Kennedy administration when JFK
gave Kruschev everything he wanted to get the missiles out of Cuba, in
spite of a lot of gothic theater and saber rattling.
And what do you think would have happened if there was a (R) in office?

If Nixon had won in 1960 there wouldn't be any Soviets in Cuba because
we would have supported the Bay of Pigs the way we promised the Cuban
nationalists we would.
Castro would be a footnote in history and they would speak english in
Miami.


Kim asked specifically for Clinton. Clinton had the fortitude and
compassion to help DESPITE what he knew the naysayers would say about
him. What has come out here in rec.boats is foolish even on a Harry
scale of political one-sidedness.

I imagine they asked for Bill Clinton because Hillary wouldn't go. It
does give Kim a level of satisfaction with plausible deniability from
the US government. Actually not a bad move in retrospect as long as we
don't care what Kim says about it..


Do you boys *ever*' do more than guess?

When Kim Il-sung died in 1994, President Clinton sent a note of
condolence to his son, Kim Jong-il, the current dictator, who remembered
Clinton's thoughtfulness 15 years ago, and wanted to repay that act of
"kindness."

Also, as his term was ending, Clinton was involved in ways to improve
relations between the U.S. and North Korea. The idiot who succeeded
Clinton thought *that* was a bad idea, and now, eight years later, the
North Koreans have nuclear bombs. Yet another legacy of Bush the Idiot.

jps wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:15:53 -0400, Little John
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:55:00 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:41:31 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:00:54 -0700, jps wrote:

We are not really sure what was in the bag, we just know who the bag
man was. I imagine we gave them a fat foreign aid package.
The lesson reaffirmed was, take hostages or threaten us and the US
will pay up.
That has been true at least since the Kennedy administration when JFK
gave Kruschev everything he wanted to get the missiles out of Cuba, in
spite of a lot of gothic theater and saber rattling.
We gave them a photo op. KJI made it into a state visit to bolster
his own image within the country. He's trying to manipulate handing
power to his son and he's not doing as well as he'd like in the being
worshipped department.

This was purely KJI proving that he had the stones and the leverage to
get a former president to come to NK.

If we gave them anything, it'd have come through the State Department
and official channels.
I am sure the concessions did come through the State Department. The
former president does speak to the SoS occasionally ... I imagine.
The deal was that Clinton's appearance would reflect well on dear
leader. That was payment enough.
That's what the right wing talk show guys were saying. That is the
minimum payment he got.

Jesus ****in' Christ, don't tell me we agree on something.


Note that the herringoid actually admits he listens to reich-wing talk
shows.