On Aug 5, 1:23*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:52:27 -0400, H the K
wrote:

The 737 was "donated" for the
mission.

I bet the plane came from the CIA. Who else has a 737 with absolutely
no writing on it beyond a registration number (that may be bogus)?

I don't know.

maybe John Travolta?

On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:24:26 -0400, H the K
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:43:42 -0400, NotNow wrote:

We are not really sure what was in the bag, we just know who the bag
man was. I imagine we gave them a fat foreign aid package.
The lesson reaffirmed was, take hostages or threaten us and the US
will pay up.
That has been true at least since the Kennedy administration when JFK
gave Kruschev everything he wanted to get the missiles out of Cuba, in
spite of a lot of gothic theater and saber rattling.
And what do you think would have happened if there was a (R) in office?

If Nixon had won in 1960 there wouldn't be any Soviets in Cuba because
we would have supported the Bay of Pigs the way we promised the Cuban
nationalists we would.
Castro would be a footnote in history and they would speak english in
Miami.


Kim asked specifically for Clinton. Clinton had the fortitude and
compassion to help DESPITE what he knew the naysayers would say about
him. What has come out here in rec.boats is foolish even on a Harry
scale of political one-sidedness.

I imagine they asked for Bill Clinton because Hillary wouldn't go. It
does give Kim a level of satisfaction with plausible deniability from
the US government. Actually not a bad move in retrospect as long as we
don't care what Kim says about it..


Do you boys *ever*' do more than guess?

When Kim Il-sung died in 1994, President Clinton sent a note of
condolence to his son, Kim Jong-il, the current dictator, who remembered
Clinton's thoughtfulness 15 years ago, and wanted to repay that act of
"kindness."

Also, as his term was ending, Clinton was involved in ways to improve
relations between the U.S. and North Korea. The idiot who succeeded
Clinton thought *that* was a bad idea, and now, eight years later, the
North Koreans have nuclear bombs. Yet another legacy of Bush the Idiot.

Careful Harry.

Now that Obama has been in office for six months, you can't blame Bush
for anything over the past 8+ years.

It's all Obama's fault now. Just like it was Clinton's fault when the
economy tanked after Bush took office. Huh?

On Aug 5, 8:24*pm, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:43:42 -0400, NotNow wrote:

We are not really sure what was in the bag, we just know who the bag
man was. I imagine we gave them a fat foreign aid package.
The lesson reaffirmed was, take hostages or threaten us and the US
will pay up.
That has been true at least since the Kennedy administration when JFK
gave Kruschev everything he wanted to get the missiles out of Cuba, in
spite of a lot of gothic theater and saber rattling.
And what do you think would have happened if there was a (R) in office?

If Nixon had won in 1960 there wouldn't be any Soviets in Cuba because
we would have supported the Bay of Pigs the way we promised the Cuban
nationalists we would.
Castro would be a footnote in history and they would speak english in
Miami.

Kim asked specifically for Clinton. Clinton had the fortitude and
compassion to help DESPITE what he knew the naysayers would say about
him. What has come out here in rec.boats is foolish even on a Harry
scale of political one-sidedness.

I imagine they asked for Bill Clinton because Hillary wouldn't go. It
does give Kim a level of satisfaction with plausible deniability from
the US government. Actually not a bad move in retrospect as long as we
don't care what Kim says about it..

Do you boys *ever*' do more than guess?

When Kim Il-sung died in 1994, President Clinton sent a note of
condolence to his son, Kim Jong-il, the current dictator, who remembered
Clinton's thoughtfulness 15 years ago, and wanted to repay that act of
"kindness."



Maybe Bubba is the only friend he's got?

jps wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:24:26 -0400, H the K
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:43:42 -0400, NotNow wrote:

We are not really sure what was in the bag, we just know who the bag
man was. I imagine we gave them a fat foreign aid package.
The lesson reaffirmed was, take hostages or threaten us and the US
will pay up.
That has been true at least since the Kennedy administration when JFK
gave Kruschev everything he wanted to get the missiles out of Cuba, in
spite of a lot of gothic theater and saber rattling.
And what do you think would have happened if there was a (R) in office?
If Nixon had won in 1960 there wouldn't be any Soviets in Cuba because
we would have supported the Bay of Pigs the way we promised the Cuban
nationalists we would.
Castro would be a footnote in history and they would speak english in
Miami.


Kim asked specifically for Clinton. Clinton had the fortitude and
compassion to help DESPITE what he knew the naysayers would say about
him. What has come out here in rec.boats is foolish even on a Harry
scale of political one-sidedness.
I imagine they asked for Bill Clinton because Hillary wouldn't go. It
does give Kim a level of satisfaction with plausible deniability from
the US government. Actually not a bad move in retrospect as long as we
don't care what Kim says about it..

Do you boys *ever*' do more than guess?

When Kim Il-sung died in 1994, President Clinton sent a note of
condolence to his son, Kim Jong-il, the current dictator, who remembered
Clinton's thoughtfulness 15 years ago, and wanted to repay that act of
"kindness."

Also, as his term was ending, Clinton was involved in ways to improve
relations between the U.S. and North Korea. The idiot who succeeded
Clinton thought *that* was a bad idea, and now, eight years later, the
North Koreans have nuclear bombs. Yet another legacy of Bush the Idiot.

Careful Harry.

Now that Obama has been in office for six months, you can't blame Bush
for anything over the past 8+ years.

It's all Obama's fault now. Just like it was Clinton's fault when the
economy tanked after Bush took office. Huh?


It's like they want to forget the idiot who served after clinton and
before obama. Can't blame 'em for that, eh?

Tim wrote:
On Aug 5, 8:24 pm, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:43:42 -0400, NotNow wrote:
We are not really sure what was in the bag, we just know who the bag
man was. I imagine we gave them a fat foreign aid package.
The lesson reaffirmed was, take hostages or threaten us and the US
will pay up.
That has been true at least since the Kennedy administration when JFK
gave Kruschev everything he wanted to get the missiles out of Cuba, in
spite of a lot of gothic theater and saber rattling.
And what do you think would have happened if there was a (R) in office?
If Nixon had won in 1960 there wouldn't be any Soviets in Cuba because
we would have supported the Bay of Pigs the way we promised the Cuban
nationalists we would.
Castro would be a footnote in history and they would speak english in
Miami.
Kim asked specifically for Clinton. Clinton had the fortitude and
compassion to help DESPITE what he knew the naysayers would say about
him. What has come out here in rec.boats is foolish even on a Harry
scale of political one-sidedness.
I imagine they asked for Bill Clinton because Hillary wouldn't go. It
does give Kim a level of satisfaction with plausible deniability from
the US government. Actually not a bad move in retrospect as long as we
don't care what Kim says about it..
Do you boys *ever*' do more than guess?

When Kim Il-sung died in 1994, President Clinton sent a note of
condolence to his son, Kim Jong-il, the current dictator, who remembered
Clinton's thoughtfulness 15 years ago, and wanted to repay that act of
"kindness."



Maybe Bubba is the only friend he's got?


What about Jesus? When's he's about ready to die, Kim Jong-il may
discover Jesus and therefore be admitted through the pearly gates, right?

On Aug 5, 8:35*pm, H the K wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 5, 8:24 pm, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:43:42 -0400, NotNow wrote:
We are not really sure what was in the bag, we just know who the bag
man was. I imagine we gave them a fat foreign aid package.
The lesson reaffirmed was, take hostages or threaten us and the US
will pay up.
That has been true at least since the Kennedy administration when JFK
gave Kruschev everything he wanted to get the missiles out of Cuba, in
spite of a lot of gothic theater and saber rattling.
And what do you think would have happened if there was a (R) in office?
If Nixon had won in 1960 there wouldn't be any Soviets in Cuba because
we would have supported the Bay of Pigs the way we promised the Cuban
nationalists we would.
Castro would be a footnote in history and they would speak english in
Miami.
Kim asked specifically for Clinton. Clinton had the fortitude and
compassion to help DESPITE what he knew the naysayers would say about
him. What has come out here in rec.boats is foolish even on a Harry
scale of political one-sidedness.
I imagine they asked for Bill Clinton because Hillary wouldn't go. It
does give Kim a level of satisfaction with plausible deniability from
the US government. Actually not a bad move in retrospect as long as we
don't care what Kim says about it..
Do you boys *ever*' do more than guess?

When Kim Il-sung died in 1994, President Clinton sent a note of
condolence to his son, Kim Jong-il, the current dictator, who remembered
Clinton's thoughtfulness 15 years ago, and wanted to repay that act of
"kindness."

Maybe Bubba is the only friend he's got?

What about Jesus? When's he's about ready to die, Kim Jong-il may
discover Jesus and therefore be admitted through the pearly gates, right?

1 John 1:9

Harry, I'm not about to put limits on Gods grace.

On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:55:41 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Aug 5, 8:35*pm, H the K wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 5, 8:24 pm, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:43:42 -0400, NotNow wrote:
We are not really sure what was in the bag, we just know who the bag
man was. I imagine we gave them a fat foreign aid package.
The lesson reaffirmed was, take hostages or threaten us and the US
will pay up.
That has been true at least since the Kennedy administration when JFK
gave Kruschev everything he wanted to get the missiles out of Cuba, in
spite of a lot of gothic theater and saber rattling.
And what do you think would have happened if there was a (R) in office?
If Nixon had won in 1960 there wouldn't be any Soviets in Cuba because
we would have supported the Bay of Pigs the way we promised the Cuban
nationalists we would.
Castro would be a footnote in history and they would speak english in
Miami.
Kim asked specifically for Clinton. Clinton had the fortitude and
compassion to help DESPITE what he knew the naysayers would say about
him. What has come out here in rec.boats is foolish even on a Harry
scale of political one-sidedness.
I imagine they asked for Bill Clinton because Hillary wouldn't go. It
does give Kim a level of satisfaction with plausible deniability from
the US government. Actually not a bad move in retrospect as long as we
don't care what Kim says about it..
Do you boys *ever*' do more than guess?

When Kim Il-sung died in 1994, President Clinton sent a note of
condolence to his son, Kim Jong-il, the current dictator, who remembered
Clinton's thoughtfulness 15 years ago, and wanted to repay that act of
"kindness."

Maybe Bubba is the only friend he's got?

What about Jesus? When's he's about ready to die, Kim Jong-il may
discover Jesus and therefore be admitted through the pearly gates, right?

1 John 1:9

Harry, I'm not about to put limits on Gods grace.

You've assumed he has grace, why not estimate its boundaries?

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:09:37 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:24:26 -0400, H the K
wrote:

When Kim Il-sung died in 1994, President Clinton sent a note of
condolence to his son, Kim Jong-il, the current dictator, who remembered
Clinton's thoughtfulness 15 years ago, and wanted to repay that act of
"kindness."

Also, as his term was ending, Clinton was involved in ways to improve
relations between the U.S. and North Korea. The idiot who succeeded
Clinton thought *that* was a bad idea, and now, eight years later, the
North Koreans have nuclear bombs. Yet another legacy of Bush the Idiot.

If you are right Kim III will drop his nuclear program now, stop
threatening Japan and maybe we can bring home the 50,000 guys we have
on his southern border.
I bet none of them happen

That'd depend on if we're smart enough to engage him. Clinton tried
near the end of his term but wasn't able to perfect anything. Bush
just ignored the situation, much as he did Israel. Bolton and his ilk
are isolationists who haven't a ****ing clue about the true nature of
diplomacy. Thank god those assholes aren't running things anymore.

On Aug 6, 2:44*am, jps wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:55:41 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Aug 5, 8:35*pm, H the K wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 5, 8:24 pm, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:43:42 -0400, NotNow wrote:
We are not really sure what was in the bag, we just know who the bag
man was. I imagine we gave them a fat foreign aid package.
The lesson reaffirmed was, take hostages or threaten us and the US
will pay up.
That has been true at least since the Kennedy administration when JFK
gave Kruschev everything he wanted to get the missiles out of Cuba, in
spite of a lot of gothic theater and saber rattling.
And what do you think would have happened if there was a (R) in office?
If Nixon had won in 1960 there wouldn't be any Soviets in Cuba because
we would have supported the Bay of Pigs the way we promised the Cuban
nationalists we would.
Castro would be a footnote in history and they would speak english in
Miami.
Kim asked specifically for Clinton. Clinton had the fortitude and
compassion to help DESPITE what he knew the naysayers would say about
him. What has come out here in rec.boats is foolish even on a Harry
scale of political one-sidedness.
I imagine they asked for Bill Clinton because Hillary wouldn't go. It
does give Kim a level of satisfaction with plausible deniability from
the US government. Actually not a bad move in retrospect as long as we
don't care what Kim says about it..
Do you boys *ever*' do more than guess?

When Kim Il-sung died in 1994, President Clinton sent a note of
condolence to his son, Kim Jong-il, the current dictator, who remembered
Clinton's thoughtfulness 15 years ago, and wanted to repay that act of
"kindness."

Maybe Bubba is the only friend he's got?

What about Jesus? When's he's about ready to die, Kim Jong-il may
discover Jesus and therefore be admitted through the pearly gates, right?

1 John 1:9

Harry, I'm not about to put limits on Gods grace.

You've assumed he has grace, why not estimate its boundaries?

Not necessrily. However, I believe you assume He doesn't and is
limited.

wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:24:26 -0400, H the K
wrote:

When Kim Il-sung died in 1994, President Clinton sent a note of
condolence to his son, Kim Jong-il, the current dictator, who remembered
Clinton's thoughtfulness 15 years ago, and wanted to repay that act of
"kindness."

Also, as his term was ending, Clinton was involved in ways to improve
relations between the U.S. and North Korea. The idiot who succeeded
Clinton thought *that* was a bad idea, and now, eight years later, the
North Koreans have nuclear bombs. Yet another legacy of Bush the Idiot.

If you are right Kim III will drop his nuclear program now, stop
threatening Japan and maybe we can bring home the 50,000 guys we have
on his southern border.
I bet none of them happen


What are you talking about? Clinton *did* send a letter of condolence
and Clinton wanted to de-escalate the situation between the U.S. and
North Korea, and Bush did more or less ignore ways to improve relations
with North Korea and, worse, make our relationship with that nation
deteriorate even further.

That has nothing to do with me being "right." It has everything to do
with our failed diplomacy during the Dubya years.

What Kim does now after eight years of Bush is unpredictable. He may
respect Bill Clinton, but who knows how he feels about the U.S., whether
those feelings can be improved, or whether his illness totally clouds
his abilities.

The point is that we could have been in a better situation vis-a-vis
North Korea but for the incomptencies, failures and wrong-headedness of
the Bush Administration. You righties keeping wanting to forget that
Bush more or less ****ed the world over during his presidency.