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On Aug 10, 12:43*pm, J. Leo wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote: Keith Nuttle wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote: wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote: After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest. "The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said. Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans. The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the economy, it fails. *Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of sugar actually has sugar shortages. *They could process all their sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is no incentive so they now have shortages. *Iran, nearly drowning in oil actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry there. *The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. *The Soviets were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to make any necesary consumer products. *Government running of large portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment again. Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh. Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country, covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private insurance. All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be improved. Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate. And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care industry, the fraud rate will go down? *With government health care there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. *If you want to see fraud look at some of the current government programs. With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment, and return less insurance coverage than you get now. *That is if you are considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing. While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially those who haven't read the bill. Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. Under Obamacare, If you have a problem getting care and you complain, you will get put on the WhiteHouse enemies list. Now, if you complain to the govt you have some chance of getting results. |
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H the K wrote:
Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote: After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest. "The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said. Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans. The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment again. Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh. Medicare is going bankrupt. I guess if that is your measure of success then Medicare is a wild success! |
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BAR wrote:
H the K wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote: After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest. "The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said. Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans. The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment again. Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh. Medicare is going bankrupt. I guess if that is your measure of success then Medicare is a wild success! That's easy enough to fix. The problem is not that medicare is a failure, it is that it isn't being properly funded. |
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Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 12:43 pm, J. Leo wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote: Keith Nuttle wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote: wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote: After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest. "The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said. Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans. The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment again. Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh. Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country, covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private insurance. All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be improved. Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate. And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud look at some of the current government programs. With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment, and return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing. While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially those who haven't read the bill. Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. Under Obamacare, If you have a problem getting care and you complain, you will get put on the WhiteHouse enemies list. Now, if you complain to the govt you have some chance of getting results. The funny thing is that you and your braindead buddy Herring probably believe that. Herring, of course, is funny on his own...all that hatred for government programs when he spent most of his working life sucking on the government teat and depends upon that teat now for his retirement. If memory serves, his wife also held a government job and took advantage of government-subsidized health insurance programs. |
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H the K wrote:
BAR wrote: H the K wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote: After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest. "The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said. Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans. The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment again. Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh. Medicare is going bankrupt. I guess if that is your measure of success then Medicare is a wild success! That's easy enough to fix. The problem is not that medicare is a failure, it is that it isn't being properly funded. What is the proper funding level, per capita of those in the plan? The problem is not funding, the problem is cost of delivery of services. I don't expect that you understand that there is a difference between the two. |
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J. Leo wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote: Keith Nuttle wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote: wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote: After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest. "The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said. Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans. The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment again. Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh. Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country, covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private insurance. All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be improved. Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate. And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud look at some of the current government programs. With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment, and return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing. While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially those who haven't read the bill. Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right? -- John H I specifically said "those who haven't read the bill". |
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BAR wrote:
H the K wrote: BAR wrote: H the K wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote: After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest. "The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said. Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans. The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment again. Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh. Medicare is going bankrupt. I guess if that is your measure of success then Medicare is a wild success! That's easy enough to fix. The problem is not that medicare is a failure, it is that it isn't being properly funded. What is the proper funding level, per capita of those in the plan? The problem is not funding, the problem is cost of delivery of services. I don't expect that you understand that there is a difference between the two. He's full of ****. If there is the kind of waste and fraud that there is now, it doesn't matter how much money you throw at it, the wasters and frauders will just take more! You sure can tell that fat idiot don't know much. |
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On 8/10/2009 1:04 PM, H the K wrote:
Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 12:43 pm, J. Leo wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote: Keith Nuttle wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote: wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote: After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest. "The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said. Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans. The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment again. Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh. Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country, covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private insurance. All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be improved. Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate. And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud look at some of the current government programs. With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment, and return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing. While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially those who haven't read the bill. Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. Under Obamacare, If you have a problem getting care and you complain, you will get put on the WhiteHouse enemies list. Now, if you complain to the govt you have some chance of getting results. The funny thing is that you and your braindead buddy Herring probably believe that. Herring, of course, is funny on his own...all that hatred for government programs when he spent most of his working life sucking on the government teat and depends upon that teat now for his retirement. If memory serves, his wife also held a government job and took advantage of government-subsidized health insurance programs. Will the *lawmakers* be covered by the proposed plan? |
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D.Duck wrote:
On 8/10/2009 1:04 PM, H the K wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 12:43 pm, J. Leo wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote: Keith Nuttle wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote: wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote: After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest. "The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said. Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans. The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment again. Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh. Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country, covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private insurance. All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be improved. Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate. And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud look at some of the current government programs. With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment, and return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing. While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially those who haven't read the bill. Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. Under Obamacare, If you have a problem getting care and you complain, you will get put on the WhiteHouse enemies list. Now, if you complain to the govt you have some chance of getting results. The funny thing is that you and your braindead buddy Herring probably believe that. Herring, of course, is funny on his own...all that hatred for government programs when he spent most of his working life sucking on the government teat and depends upon that teat now for his retirement. If memory serves, his wife also held a government job and took advantage of government-subsidized health insurance programs. Will the *lawmakers* be covered by the proposed plan? Why would they be? They have health insurance, |
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