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On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:49:28 -0400, NotNow wrote:
J. Leo wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote: Keith Nuttle wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote: wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote: After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest. "The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said. Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans. The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment again. Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh. Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country, covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private insurance. All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be improved. Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate. And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud look at some of the current government programs. With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment, and return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing. While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially those who haven't read the bill. Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right? -- John H I specifically said "those who haven't read the bill". I have yet to hear one Democrat say he has read the bill. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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![]() "NotNow" wrote in message ... Keith Nuttle wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote: wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote: After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest. "The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said. Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans. The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment again. Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh. Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country, covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private insurance. All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be improved. Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate. And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud look at some of the current government programs. With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment, and return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing. While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially those who haven't read the bill. My fishing partner was a state investigator for MediCal fraud. When they found Federal Fraud they would turn that over to the Fed's. He said they did nothing with the fraud. So maybe they want the excess spending to help control the people. |
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![]() "H the K" wrote in message ... D.Duck wrote: On 8/10/2009 1:04 PM, H the K wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 12:43 pm, J. Leo wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote: Keith Nuttle wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote: wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote: After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest. "The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said. Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans. The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment again. Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh. Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country, covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private insurance. All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be improved. Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate. And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud look at some of the current government programs. With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment, and return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing. While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially those who haven't read the bill. Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. Under Obamacare, If you have a problem getting care and you complain, you will get put on the WhiteHouse enemies list. Now, if you complain to the govt you have some chance of getting results. The funny thing is that you and your braindead buddy Herring probably believe that. Herring, of course, is funny on his own...all that hatred for government programs when he spent most of his working life sucking on the government teat and depends upon that teat now for his retirement. If memory serves, his wife also held a government job and took advantage of government-subsidized health insurance programs. Will the *lawmakers* be covered by the proposed plan? Why would they be? They have health insurance, No, they do not have health insurance. They have a carte blanc checkbook for their healthcare. They can get in their New Gulfstream Jet (NGJ) and get whatever medical care they desire. Face lift? Botox? All paid for by us that will have medical insurance under the new government plan. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message ... Keith Nuttle wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote: wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote: After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest. "The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said. Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans. The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment again. Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh. Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country, covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private insurance. All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be improved. Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate. And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud look at some of the current government programs. With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment, and return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing. While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially those who haven't read the bill. My fishing partner was a state investigator for MediCal fraud. When they found Federal Fraud they would turn that over to the Fed's. He said they did nothing with the fraud. So maybe they want the excess spending to help control the people. Why, that's a perfect explanation for the many cases of medicare fraud being prosecuted I read about in the paper or see on tv news. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message ... D.Duck wrote: On 8/10/2009 1:04 PM, H the K wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 12:43 pm, J. Leo wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote: Keith Nuttle wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote: wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote: After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest. "The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said. Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans. The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment again. Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh. Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country, covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private insurance. All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be improved. Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate. And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud look at some of the current government programs. With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment, and return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing. While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially those who haven't read the bill. Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right? -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. Under Obamacare, If you have a problem getting care and you complain, you will get put on the WhiteHouse enemies list. Now, if you complain to the govt you have some chance of getting results. The funny thing is that you and your braindead buddy Herring probably believe that. Herring, of course, is funny on his own...all that hatred for government programs when he spent most of his working life sucking on the government teat and depends upon that teat now for his retirement. If memory serves, his wife also held a government job and took advantage of government-subsidized health insurance programs. Will the *lawmakers* be covered by the proposed plan? Why would they be? They have health insurance, No, they do not have health insurance. They have a carte blanc checkbook for their healthcare. They can get in their New Gulfstream Jet (NGJ) and get whatever medical care they desire. Face lift? Botox? All paid for by us that will have medical insurance under the new government plan. More right-wing bull****. Members of congress and other federal employees participate in the federal employees health benefit act plans, in which dozens if not hundreds of health insurers offer health insurance plans. You can read more about FEHBA he http://www.opm.gov/insure/health/index.asp Perhaps you should get your information from other than retards like loogy, justafreak, lu foul, herring, flajim, et cetera. Unless you prefer to come across as uninformed and stupid. |
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Just John II wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:49:28 -0400, NotNow wrote: J. Leo wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote: Keith Nuttle wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote: wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote: After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest. "The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said. Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans. The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment again. Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh. Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country, covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private insurance. All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be improved. Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate. And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud look at some of the current government programs. With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment, and return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing. While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially those who haven't read the bill. Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right? -- John H I specifically said "those who haven't read the bill". I have yet to hear one Democrat say he has read the bill. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. Did all Republicans read (and understand) the bill? |
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On Aug 10, 3:40*pm, H the K wrote:
JustWait wrote: In article , says... Just John II wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:49:28 -0400, NotNow wrote: J. Leo wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote: Keith Nuttle wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote: wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote: After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest. "The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said. Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans. The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the economy, it fails. *Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of sugar actually has sugar shortages. *They could process all their sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is no incentive so they now have shortages. *Iran, nearly drowning in oil actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry there. *The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. *The Soviets were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to make any necesary consumer products. *Government running of large portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment again. Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh. Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country, covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private insurance. All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be improved. Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate. And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care industry, the fraud rate will go down? *With government health care there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. *If you want to see fraud look at some of the current government programs. With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment, and return less insurance coverage than you get now. *That is if you are considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing. While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially those who haven't read the bill. Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right? -- John H I specifically said "those who haven't read the bill". I have yet to hear one Democrat say he has read the bill. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. Did all Republicans read (and understand) the bill? Yes.. Every single one of 'em... ![]() You couldn't read the cover page without help. Unless your congressman who votes for Obamacare puts himself under the same provisions of it as we are, he should be hung from a lamp post (figuratively) when he comes home. If the refuses to come home, we'll go to DC and find them. |
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On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:35:06 -0400, NotNow wrote:
Just John II wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:49:28 -0400, NotNow wrote: J. Leo wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote: Keith Nuttle wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote: wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K wrote: Frogwatch wrote: On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote: After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest. "The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said. Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans. The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment again. Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh. Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country, covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private insurance. All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be improved. Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate. And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud look at some of the current government programs. With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment, and return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing. While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially those who haven't read the bill. Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right? -- John H I specifically said "those who haven't read the bill". I have yet to hear one Democrat say he has read the bill. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. Did all Republicans read (and understand) the bill? Republicans aren't the ones trying to cram the bill down the throats of the American people. Republicans are asking the questions, which most Democrats are unable to answer. -- John H All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking. |
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