On Aug 10, 12:43*pm, J. Leo wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K
wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has
announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to
send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil
unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in
the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman
said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New
Orleans.
The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the
economy, it fails. *Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. *They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course
there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. *Iran, nearly drowning in
oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry
there. *The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. *The
Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to
make any necesary consumer products. *Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the
experiment
again.
Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.
Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical
care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country,
covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke
doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private
insurance.
All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be
improved.

Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate.

And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care
industry, the fraud rate will go down? *With government health care
there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. *If you want to see fraud
look at some of the current government programs.

With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your
income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment, and
return less insurance coverage than you get now. *That is if you are
considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing.

While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially
those who haven't read the bill.

Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right?
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

Under Obamacare, If you have a problem getting care and you complain,
you will get put on the WhiteHouse enemies list. Now, if you complain
to the govt you have some chance of getting results.

H the K wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans.

The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment
again.


Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.

Medicare is going bankrupt. I guess if that is your measure of success
then Medicare is a wild success!

BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans.

The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment
again.


Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.

Medicare is going bankrupt. I guess if that is your measure of success
then Medicare is a wild success!

That's easy enough to fix. The problem is not that medicare is a
failure, it is that it isn't being properly funded.

Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 12:43 pm, J. Leo wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K
wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has
announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to
send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil
unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in
the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman
said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New
Orleans.
The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course
there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in
oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The
Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the
experiment
again.
Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.
Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical
care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country,
covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke
doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private
insurance.
All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be
improved.
Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate.
And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care
industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care
there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud
look at some of the current government programs.
With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your
income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment, and
return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are
considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing.
While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially
those who haven't read the bill.
Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right?
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

Under Obamacare, If you have a problem getting care and you complain,
you will get put on the WhiteHouse enemies list. Now, if you complain
to the govt you have some chance of getting results.


The funny thing is that you and your braindead buddy Herring probably
believe that.

Herring, of course, is funny on his own...all that hatred for government
programs when he spent most of his working life sucking on the
government teat and depends upon that teat now for his retirement. If
memory serves, his wife also held a government job and took advantage of
government-subsidized health insurance programs.

H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans.

The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment
again.


Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.

Medicare is going bankrupt. I guess if that is your measure of success
then Medicare is a wild success!

That's easy enough to fix. The problem is not that medicare is a
failure, it is that it isn't being properly funded.

What is the proper funding level, per capita of those in the plan?

The problem is not funding, the problem is cost of delivery of services.
I don't expect that you understand that there is a difference between
the two.

J. Leo wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Keith Nuttle wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K
wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has
announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to
send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil
unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in
the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman
said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New
Orleans.
The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course
there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in
oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The
Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the
experiment
again.
Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.
Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical
care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country,
covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke
doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private
insurance.
All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be
improved.
Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate.
And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care
industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care
there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud
look at some of the current government programs.

With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your
income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment, and
return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are
considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing.
While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially
those who haven't read the bill.

Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right?
--
John H

I specifically said "those who haven't read the bill".

BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New
Orleans.

The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment
again.


Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.

Medicare is going bankrupt. I guess if that is your measure of
success then Medicare is a wild success!

That's easy enough to fix. The problem is not that medicare is a
failure, it is that it isn't being properly funded.

What is the proper funding level, per capita of those in the plan?

The problem is not funding, the problem is cost of delivery of services.
I don't expect that you understand that there is a difference between
the two.

He's full of ****. If there is the kind of waste and fraud that there is
now, it doesn't matter how much money you throw at it, the wasters and
frauders will just take more! You sure can tell that fat idiot don't
know much.

On 8/10/2009 1:04 PM, H the K wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 12:43 pm, J. Leo wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K

wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has
announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to
send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil
unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom
and in
the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman
said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New
Orleans.
The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course
there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in
oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the
industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The
Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were
unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has
always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the
experiment
again.
Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.
Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government
medical
care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country,
covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke
doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private
insurance.
All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be
improved.
Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate.
And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care
industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care
there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud
look at some of the current government programs.
With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of
your
income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical
treatment, and
return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are
considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing.
While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially
those who haven't read the bill.
Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right?
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary
thinking.

Under Obamacare, If you have a problem getting care and you complain,
you will get put on the WhiteHouse enemies list. Now, if you complain
to the govt you have some chance of getting results.


The funny thing is that you and your braindead buddy Herring probably
believe that.

Herring, of course, is funny on his own...all that hatred for government
programs when he spent most of his working life sucking on the
government teat and depends upon that teat now for his retirement. If
memory serves, his wife also held a government job and took advantage of
government-subsidized health insurance programs.







Will the *lawmakers* be covered by the proposed plan?

In article ,
says...

On 8/10/2009 1:04 PM, H the K wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 12:43 pm, J. Leo wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K

wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has
announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to
send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil
unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom
and in
the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman
said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New
Orleans.
The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course
there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in
oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the
industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The
Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were
unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has
always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the
experiment
again.
Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.
Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government
medical
care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country,
covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke
doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private
insurance.
All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be
improved.
Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate.
And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care
industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care
there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud
look at some of the current government programs.
With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of
your
income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical
treatment, and
return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are
considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing.
While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially
those who haven't read the bill.
Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right?
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary
thinking.

Under Obamacare, If you have a problem getting care and you complain,
you will get put on the WhiteHouse enemies list. Now, if you complain
to the govt you have some chance of getting results.


The funny thing is that you and your braindead buddy Herring probably
believe that.

Herring, of course, is funny on his own...all that hatred for government
programs when he spent most of his working life sucking on the
government teat and depends upon that teat now for his retirement. If
memory serves, his wife also held a government job and took advantage of
government-subsidized health insurance programs.







Will the *lawmakers* be covered by the proposed plan?

No, absolutely not...

--
Wafa free since 2009

D.Duck wrote:
On 8/10/2009 1:04 PM, H the K wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 12:43 pm, J. Leo wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K

wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has
announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be
able to
send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil
unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom
and in
the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman
said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New
Orleans.
The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run
the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course
there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly
drowning in
oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the
industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The
Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were
unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has
always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the
experiment
again.
Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.
Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government
medical
care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country,
covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke
doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private
insurance.
All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be
improved.
Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate.
And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care
industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care
there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud
look at some of the current government programs.
With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of
your
income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical
treatment, and
return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are
considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing.
While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially
those who haven't read the bill.
Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right?
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary
thinking.

Under Obamacare, If you have a problem getting care and you complain,
you will get put on the WhiteHouse enemies list. Now, if you complain
to the govt you have some chance of getting results.


The funny thing is that you and your braindead buddy Herring probably
believe that.

Herring, of course, is funny on his own...all that hatred for government
programs when he spent most of his working life sucking on the
government teat and depends upon that teat now for his retirement. If
memory serves, his wife also held a government job and took advantage of
government-subsidized health insurance programs.







Will the *lawmakers* be covered by the proposed plan?


Why would they be? They have health insurance,