On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:53:02 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:


Of course the "expense" of this Medicare plan is going as more and more
people opt out of the government managed insurance and go to the private
companies who participate in this plan. They get the same insurance
that the government provides plus they are treated as human not numbers
when they need assistance.

If this plan is eliminated, the cost of the government manage health
care will have to go up just to provide the additional staff to manage
the accounts now managed by the private company.

Didn't know that.
Many of the twists and turns aren't even being discussed.
I was surprised to learn that my dad, who's on Medicare, is still
paying close to $300 a month on supplementals.


I'm predicting they'll end up with gov subsidies for private health
care insurance, as they're already doing with the unemployed

Companies pay into the the unemployment fund per the number of people
they employee. Governments subsidizes it when the government uses the
money for other purposes, or when Government policies or actions cause
high unemployment. Example: the job loss caused by congress's action at
the end of September 2008.

What I was talking about is the gov started giving subsidies to those
who lost their job so they can maintain COBRA coverage. The employer
is out of the picture there. Don't know what the costs are, or how
many are using the subsidy. When you're unemployed, it's not easy to
pay health insurance premiums.
In '74 I took a leave of absence from IH to attend college, and paid
the full IH premium to keep my family insured. Even back then it was
eating most of my GI bill, which was close to $400 a month, so I had
to go back to work part-time to stay in school.
But then it was fairly easy to find a PT job with health benefits.
Not now.

The unemployment agencies are a perfect example of why we don't want the
government in our health care. I was on unemployment for several
months. During that time I never was able to get a phone call through
to a real person. I tried their email address and got an automated
response telling me to call the phone number that I had been trying for
days. If you have a problem with a government agency that needs
special handling you are SOL. Why do you think that most congressmen
have a special constituent assistance tab on their web pages.

Depends where you live, as that's state gov. I was on unemployment in
Illinois in '82 during the Great Reagan Mini-Depression and had no
issues after the initial wait-in-line- to sign up.
After that it was check in the mail every week I was on it, and fill
out a form to mail in once in a while. I hear they do direct deposit
now, but don't quote me.

--Vic

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:42:36 -0400, BAR wrote:

H the K wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
On 8/10/2009 1:04 PM, H the K wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 12:43 pm, J. Leo wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K

wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has
announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be
able to
send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil
unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom
and in
the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse
spokesman
said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New
Orleans.
The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to
run the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast
amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all
their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course
there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly
drowning in
oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the
industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The
Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were
unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of
large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has
always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the
experiment
again.
Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.
Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government
medical
care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country,
covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke
doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private
insurance.
All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be
improved.
Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate.
And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care
industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care
there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see
fraud
look at some of the current government programs.
With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of
your
income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical
treatment, and
return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are
considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing.
While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows.
Especially
those who haven't read the bill.
Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right?
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary
thinking.

Under Obamacare, If you have a problem getting care and you complain,
you will get put on the WhiteHouse enemies list. Now, if you complain
to the govt you have some chance of getting results.


The funny thing is that you and your braindead buddy Herring probably
believe that.

Herring, of course, is funny on his own...all that hatred for government
programs when he spent most of his working life sucking on the
government teat and depends upon that teat now for his retirement. If
memory serves, his wife also held a government job and took advantage of
government-subsidized health insurance programs.







Will the *lawmakers* be covered by the proposed plan?


Why would they be? They have health insurance,



Why can't we all get on their plan?

Under the federal employee plan individuals choose which of the health
insurers they wish to use. My wife has bounced back and forth between
Mail Handlers and Blue Cross.

Every year there is an open season during which fed empl can make a
choice. The plans for Virginia are in the site below.

http://www.opm.gov/insure/health/pla.../states/va.asp

You could probably get a plan with any of them. But, your costs would
not be subsidized by the government.


--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

H K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 3:40 pm, H the K wrote:


Unless your congressman who votes for Obamacare puts himself under the
same provisions of it as we are, he should be hung from a lamp post
(figuratively) when he comes home. If the refuses to come home, we'll
go to DC and find them.


Now you are threatening elected officials? You really are a
Republican asshole.

Senators and Representatives have access to the same federal health
care programs as other federal employees. There is language in
several of the proposals to bring the FEHBA program in under the new
programs, but certainly not to eliminate it or drastically alter it.

Why not let everyone have access to the FEHBA program. Just think how
low the rates would be with 300 million people in that plan. All it
takes is a simple one page bill from Congress.



Your side controlled government for the last eight years...why didn't
the Republicans do this?

Why didn't Hillary succeed when Bill was in office for 8 years?

BTW, you're not under the delusion that government employees receive the
blue chip plans that are available under FEHBA without having to pay for
a percentage of the premium, are you?

Of course not. I am a firm believer in paying for the services that you
use. I don't believe anyone should get anything for free except it comes
from charities. And, the US government is not a charity.

For many years, I thought it would be a good idea to extend access to
FEHBA to non-governmental employers and employees. I'm not so sure
anymore. I think the health insurance companies, the chain hospital
companies and other entities who are gouging the public and employers
need to be taken down a few notches, and simply extending a good health
insurance program won't do that.

Private industry is bad, government is good. We've heard this refrain
for years.

"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Calif Bill wrote:
"NotNow" wrote in message
...
Keith Nuttle wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K

wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has
announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to
send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil
unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in
the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman
said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New
Orleans.
The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course
there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in
oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The
Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has
always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the
experiment
again.
Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.
Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical
care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country,
covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke
doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private
insurance.
All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be
improved.
Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate.
And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care
industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care
there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud
look at some of the current government programs.

With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your
income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment,
and return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you
are considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing.
While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially
those who haven't read the bill.

My fishing partner was a state investigator for MediCal fraud. When they
found Federal Fraud they would turn that over to the Fed's. He said they
did nothing with the fraud. So maybe they want the excess spending to
help control the people.

Why, that's a perfect explanation for the many cases of medicare fraud
being prosecuted I read about in the paper or see on tv news.





Very minor amount of the fraud.

"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Calif Bill wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
On 8/10/2009 1:04 PM, H the K wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 12:43 pm, J. Leo wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K

wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch
wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has
announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be
able to
send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent
civil
unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom
and in
the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse
spokesman
said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in
New
Orleans.
The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run
the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts
of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all
their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course
there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly
drowning in
oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the
industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The
Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were
unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of
large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has
always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the
experiment
again.
Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.
Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government
medical
care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this
country,
covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going
broke
doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private
insurance.
All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can
be
improved.
Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate.
And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health
care
industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care
there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see
fraud
look at some of the current government programs.
With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of
your
income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical
treatment, and
return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you
are
considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing.
While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows.
Especially
those who haven't read the bill.
Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right?
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary
thinking.
Under Obamacare, If you have a problem getting care and you complain,
you will get put on the WhiteHouse enemies list. Now, if you complain
to the govt you have some chance of getting results.

The funny thing is that you and your braindead buddy Herring probably
believe that.

Herring, of course, is funny on his own...all that hatred for
government
programs when he spent most of his working life sucking on the
government teat and depends upon that teat now for his retirement. If
memory serves, his wife also held a government job and took advantage
of
government-subsidized health insurance programs.






Will the *lawmakers* be covered by the proposed plan?

Why would they be? They have health insurance,



No, they do not have health insurance. They have a carte blanc checkbook
for their healthcare. They can get in their New Gulfstream Jet (NGJ) and
get whatever medical care they desire. Face lift? Botox? All paid for
by us that will have medical insurance under the new government plan.



More right-wing bull****. Members of congress and other federal employees
participate in the federal employees health benefit act plans, in which
dozens if not hundreds of health insurers offer health insurance plans.


You can read more about FEHBA he

http://www.opm.gov/insure/health/index.asp

Perhaps you should get your information from other than retards like
loogy, justafreak, lu foul, herring, flajim, et cetera. Unless you prefer
to come across as uninformed and stupid.



And where does it state Congress is like the rest of the Government
employees? President Obama. Does he have a deduction out of his paycheck
for insurance? Ms. Pelosi? Mrs. Blum?

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:11:07 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:



My fishing partner was a state investigator for MediCal fraud. When they
found Federal Fraud they would turn that over to the Fed's. He said they
did nothing with the fraud. So maybe they want the excess spending to
help
control the people.

Going after fraud is so obviously cost-effective I've given some
thought to it, but never came up with a good answer.
Maybe the closest I have come is by adding investigators you increase
gov payroll there, and take political heat, even though you'll save
taxpayer dollars.
Second possible reason is those in power are basically crooks and fear
having too many cops around - an investigator is essentially a cop,
and honesty is a requirement.

--Vic

Yup, an investigaor is a cop. He was a cop at the local level for years,
and went to work for the Attorney General of Calif. Carried a gun, etc.

Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:53:02 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:

Of course the "expense" of this Medicare plan is going as more and more
people opt out of the government managed insurance and go to the private
companies who participate in this plan. They get the same insurance
that the government provides plus they are treated as human not numbers
when they need assistance.

If this plan is eliminated, the cost of the government manage health
care will have to go up just to provide the additional staff to manage
the accounts now managed by the private company.

Didn't know that.
Many of the twists and turns aren't even being discussed.
I was surprised to learn that my dad, who's on Medicare, is still
paying close to $300 a month on supplementals.

I'm predicting they'll end up with gov subsidies for private health
care insurance, as they're already doing with the unemployed
Companies pay into the the unemployment fund per the number of people
they employee. Governments subsidizes it when the government uses the
money for other purposes, or when Government policies or actions cause
high unemployment. Example: the job loss caused by congress's action at
the end of September 2008.

What I was talking about is the gov started giving subsidies to those
who lost their job so they can maintain COBRA coverage. The employer
is out of the picture there. Don't know what the costs are, or how
many are using the subsidy. When you're unemployed, it's not easy to
pay health insurance premiums.
In '74 I took a leave of absence from IH to attend college, and paid
the full IH premium to keep my family insured. Even back then it was
eating most of my GI bill, which was close to $400 a month, so I had
to go back to work part-time to stay in school.
But then it was fairly easy to find a PT job with health benefits.
Not now.

The unemployment agencies are a perfect example of why we don't want the
government in our health care. I was on unemployment for several
months. During that time I never was able to get a phone call through
to a real person. I tried their email address and got an automated
response telling me to call the phone number that I had been trying for
days. If you have a problem with a government agency that needs
special handling you are SOL. Why do you think that most congressmen
have a special constituent assistance tab on their web pages.

Depends where you live, as that's state gov. I was on unemployment in
Illinois in '82 during the Great Reagan Mini-Depression and had no
issues after the initial wait-in-line- to sign up.
After that it was check in the mail every week I was on it, and fill
out a form to mail in once in a while. I hear they do direct deposit
now, but don't quote me.

--Vic

$300 a month for supplemental insurance is rather high, he must have all
of the bells and whistles. I am paying about %65/month for the
supplemental plans. That policies rebates most of the Medicare
deductibles, provides some dental insurance, and a couple of other minor
goodies. Payout for the supplemental insurance premium would be about
five years if I was hospitalized.

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...
Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:53:02 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:

Of course the "expense" of this Medicare plan is going as more and more
people opt out of the government managed insurance and go to the private
companies who participate in this plan. They get the same insurance
that the government provides plus they are treated as human not numbers
when they need assistance.

If this plan is eliminated, the cost of the government manage health
care will have to go up just to provide the additional staff to manage
the accounts now managed by the private company.

Didn't know that.
Many of the twists and turns aren't even being discussed.
I was surprised to learn that my dad, who's on Medicare, is still
paying close to $300 a month on supplementals.

I'm predicting they'll end up with gov subsidies for private health
care insurance, as they're already doing with the unemployed
Companies pay into the the unemployment fund per the number of people
they employee. Governments subsidizes it when the government uses the
money for other purposes, or when Government policies or actions cause
high unemployment. Example: the job loss caused by congress's action at
the end of September 2008.

What I was talking about is the gov started giving subsidies to those
who lost their job so they can maintain COBRA coverage. The employer
is out of the picture there. Don't know what the costs are, or how
many are using the subsidy. When you're unemployed, it's not easy to
pay health insurance premiums.
In '74 I took a leave of absence from IH to attend college, and paid
the full IH premium to keep my family insured. Even back then it was
eating most of my GI bill, which was close to $400 a month, so I had
to go back to work part-time to stay in school.
But then it was fairly easy to find a PT job with health benefits.
Not now.
The unemployment agencies are a perfect example of why we don't want the
government in our health care. I was on unemployment for several
months. During that time I never was able to get a phone call through
to a real person. I tried their email address and got an automated
response telling me to call the phone number that I had been trying for
days. If you have a problem with a government agency that needs
special handling you are SOL. Why do you think that most congressmen
have a special constituent assistance tab on their web pages.

Depends where you live, as that's state gov. I was on unemployment in
Illinois in '82 during the Great Reagan Mini-Depression and had no
issues after the initial wait-in-line- to sign up.
After that it was check in the mail every week I was on it, and fill
out a form to mail in once in a while. I hear they do direct deposit
now, but don't quote me.
--Vic

$300 a month for supplemental insurance is rather high, he must have all
of the bells and whistles. I am paying about %65/month for the
supplemental plans. That policies rebates most of the Medicare
deductibles, provides some dental insurance, and a couple of other minor
goodies. Payout for the supplemental insurance premium would be about
five years if I was hospitalized.


Wife and I both pay about $120 a month for the supplemental. And there is
also the $90 a month Medicare gets. Good deal or us but is still over $200
a month for each of us. No where near the Free Point.

Just John II wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:35:06 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Just John II wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:49:28 -0400, NotNow wrote:

J. Leo wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Keith Nuttle wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K
wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has
announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to
send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil
unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in
the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman
said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New
Orleans.
The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course
there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in
oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The
Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the
experiment
again.
Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.
Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical
care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country,
covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke
doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private
insurance.
All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be
improved.
Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate.
And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care
industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care
there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud
look at some of the current government programs.

With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your
income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment, and
return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are
considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing.
While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially
those who haven't read the bill.
Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right?
--
John H

I specifically said "those who haven't read the bill".
I have yet to hear one Democrat say he has read the bill.
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.
Did all Republicans read (and understand) the bill?

One couldn't understand the cover page without help. Go try to read
it. It's designed not to be understood.
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

And only the liberals would do that, right?

Calif Bill wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Calif Bill wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
On 8/10/2009 1:04 PM, H the K wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 12:43 pm, J. Leo wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K

wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch
wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has
announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be
able to
send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent
civil
unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom
and in
the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse
spokesman
said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in
New
Orleans.
The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run
the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts
of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all
their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course
there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly
drowning in
oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the
industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The
Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were
unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of
large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has
always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the
experiment
again.
Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.
Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government
medical
care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this
country,
covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going
broke
doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private
insurance.
All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can
be
improved.
Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate.
And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health
care
industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care
there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see
fraud
look at some of the current government programs.
With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of
your
income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical
treatment, and
return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you
are
considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing.
While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows.
Especially
those who haven't read the bill.
Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right?
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary
thinking.
Under Obamacare, If you have a problem getting care and you complain,
you will get put on the WhiteHouse enemies list. Now, if you complain
to the govt you have some chance of getting results.
The funny thing is that you and your braindead buddy Herring probably
believe that.

Herring, of course, is funny on his own...all that hatred for
government
programs when he spent most of his working life sucking on the
government teat and depends upon that teat now for his retirement. If
memory serves, his wife also held a government job and took advantage
of
government-subsidized health insurance programs.






Will the *lawmakers* be covered by the proposed plan?
Why would they be? They have health insurance,


No, they do not have health insurance. They have a carte blanc checkbook
for their healthcare. They can get in their New Gulfstream Jet (NGJ) and
get whatever medical care they desire. Face lift? Botox? All paid for
by us that will have medical insurance under the new government plan.


More right-wing bull****. Members of congress and other federal employees
participate in the federal employees health benefit act plans, in which
dozens if not hundreds of health insurers offer health insurance plans.


You can read more about FEHBA he

http://www.opm.gov/insure/health/index.asp

Perhaps you should get your information from other than retards like
loogy, justafreak, lu foul, herring, flajim, et cetera. Unless you prefer
to come across as uninformed and stupid.



And where does it state Congress is like the rest of the Government
employees? President Obama. Does he have a deduction out of his paycheck
for insurance? Ms. Pelosi? Mrs. Blum?


Never mind, Bill. You can always tell when the idiot is in over his
head, he starts childish insults and third grade name calling instantly.