After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans.

On Aug 10, 10:09*am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans.

The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment
again.

Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans.

The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment
again.


Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.

Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans.

The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment
again.


I for one am not really interested in debating what you think are your
policy points. You and the other righties are simply seeking platforms
in which you can distort the truth about the need for health care reform
by raising false, b.s. issues about abortion, government control,
rationing, euthanasia, and so forth.

You righties had control of the White House and government for the last
eight years. Your side never seriously addressed the horrific issues we
have regarding health care, coverage, and paying for same. Your side
also ignored or made worse other serious problems this nation faces.

Now, suddenly, you're interested? Bull****.

wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans.
The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment
again.

Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.

Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical
care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country,
covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke
doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private
insurance.


All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be
improved.

On Aug 10, 11:05*am, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest..
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said..
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans.
The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the
economy, it fails. *Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. *They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. *Iran, nearly drowning in oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry
there. *The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. *The Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to
make any necesary consumer products. *Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment
again.

Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.

Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical
care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country,
covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke
doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private
insurance.

All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be
improved.

Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate.

Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K
wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans.
The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment
again.
Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.
Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical
care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country,
covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke
doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private
insurance.
All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be
improved.

Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate.

And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care
industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care
there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud
look at some of the current government programs.

With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your
income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment, and
return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are
considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing.

Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K
wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New Orleans.
The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the experiment
again.
Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.
Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical
care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country,
covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke
doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private
insurance.
All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be
improved.

Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate.


snerk

Well, that's a bit higher than the rates I've seen.

And who is committing most of the fraud?

Providers in the private sector.

The fact there is some fraud does not make medicare a failure.

Keith Nuttle wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K
wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has
announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to
send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil
unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in
the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman
said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New
Orleans.
The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course
there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in
oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The
Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the
experiment
again.
Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.
Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical
care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country,
covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke
doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private
insurance.
All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be
improved.

Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate.

And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care
industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care
there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud
look at some of the current government programs.

With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your
income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment, and
return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are
considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing.

While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially
those who haven't read the bill.

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:33 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Keith Nuttle wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 11:05 am, H the K wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:22:11 -0400, H the K
wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Aug 10, 10:09 am, Frogwatch wrote:
After the recent shortages in Cuba and Venezuela, Obama has
announced
an initiative to stockpile a vital commodity so as to be able to
send
stocks to areas experiencing shortages so as to prevent civil
unrest.
"The STPR will provide a cushion against any market bottom and in
the
end we will all appreciate this reserve" a whitehouse spokesman
said.
Our new Strategic Toilet Paper Reserve will be located in New
Orleans.
The point of this post is that whenever the govt tries to run the
economy, it fails. Cuba, a country that produces vast amounts of
sugar actually has sugar shortages. They could process all their
sugar cane waste into pulp to make toilet paper but of course
there is
no incentive so they now have shortages. Iran, nearly drowning in
oil
actually has gasoline shortages because the govt runs the industry
there. The same is true of Venezuela, shortages of fuel. The
Soviets
were great at building BFR (Big Fokkin Rockets) but were unable to
make any necesary consumer products. Government running of large
portions of an economy has been tried many many times and has always
been a miserable failure so we really do not need to do the
experiment
again.
Yeah. Medicare is a big failure. Right. D'oh.
Medicare is a good demonstration of how expensive government medical
care is tho. They spend 3% of every wage earned in this country,
covering about 15-16 % of the population and they are going broke
doing it. The people covered still need supplemental private
insurance.
All you are doing here is pointing out areas where Medicare can be
improved.

Yes, Medicare is a failure with a 30% fraud rate.

And you think, that when the government nationalizes the health care
industry, the fraud rate will go down? With government health care
there will be NO oversight to prevent fraud. If you want to see fraud
look at some of the current government programs.

With government insurance, the government will take 40% or more of your
income to pay for it, remove your input into your medical treatment, and
return less insurance coverage than you get now. That is if you are
considered a productive individual, otherwise you get nothing.

While I agree that that PROBABLY will happen, no one knows. Especially
those who haven't read the bill.

Which includes any Democrat that works on the hill, right?
--
John H

All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.