Guzzisti wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:26:21 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Aug 17, 2:26 pm, NotNow wrote:
JLH OPAof7 wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:55:26 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JLH LXV wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:25:56 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:
On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote:
Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself
'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is).
--
yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k
portfolio. big shwoop.
Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the
material sense, of course).
ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k
to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have
quite an imagination.
Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't
help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped
him at all.
--
?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people
in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc.
THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated
unfairly...
You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming
from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read
that part.
All is fair in love, war and politics. If you can't stomach the fight
then go home.
Oh, so you condone your party's lies? More and more Republicans are
coming out saying they want their party to stop that nonsense. It makes
them look stupid for one thing. And the people who believe those lies
then have to save face somehow.
You mean like saying you landed in a hot zone and ran for cover, or
saying the CIA lied, or saying the old folks fighting against health
care reform were carrying swasticka's? Oh wait... forget it...
Yes, a lie is a lie. BUT, you didn't answer the question!
Ok, I will guess the question is about death panels.. The panels of
uninvolved strangers from the government shouldn't be refered to as
"Death Panels"... They should be called "Politically correct timely
demise panels"...
Panels are panels. Call them what you will. A name simply identifies
something, you call it a planning panel, I call it a Politically correct
timely demise panel.. Tomato, Tomato. It is still a panel of uninvolved
strangers who will be looking at paperwork and providing suggestions
based on Government "Guidelines" as they will be folks who answer to the
Government, not a doctor, financial advisor, family, guardian, durable
power of atty, or lawyer that knows you and should the ones helping you
make those decisions...
BULL****! They aren't providing ANY "suggestions" based on anything. And
it IS done by the doctor's liasons.
ALL it does is require Medicare to OFFER counseling. The planning is
nothing more, nothing less than thinking ahead about the treatment you'd
like to receive at the end of your life. He
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/fal...anasia-claims/
You need to read for yourself, NOT rely on the lies being told by the right.
Again, go read the damn bill.
"hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the
7 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con
8sultation between the individual and a practitioner de
9scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning,
10 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has
11 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
12 consultation shall include the following:
13 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad
14vance care planning, including key questions and
15 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo
16ple to talk to.
17 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad
18....and so on.
Note the word 'shall' in line 12. Shall is simply a nice way of saying
'is hereby ordered to'.
--
John H
All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.
So where does it say in there that the Democrats want to pull the plug
on elderly people's lives? THAT is what your fellow conservatives are
saying.
Here Loogy. Read something worthwhile for a change.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57434490015216...
No matter what liberal rag you're reading, the fact is that the
liberals want to get the elderly off healthcare, and that means
pulling the plug. Do you think the 'counselling' was meant to provide
information on new medical technology to lengthen their lives? Hell,
no.
I think liberals have figured out a way to help the 'carbon footprint'
problem. Kill babies and pull the plug on the elderly.
Good lord your party has lied to you and you believe every bit of it!
Loog. hey man. remember.

Politics is politics, and it seems like politicians are built to lie.

Poli- [many] tics- [blood suckers]

Speaking of blood suckers - chiggers qualify.

I just put up a couple pics of the dangers of golfing.

The quality of the photography isn't all that great, but it's real.
--
John H


Jeez, they ate you alive!

On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:09:37 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Guzzisti wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:26:21 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Aug 17, 2:26 pm, NotNow wrote:
JLH OPAof7 wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:55:26 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JLH LXV wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:25:56 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:
On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote:
Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself
'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is).
--
yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k
portfolio. big shwoop.
Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the
material sense, of course).
ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k
to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have
quite an imagination.
Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't
help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped
him at all.
--
?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people
in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc.
THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated
unfairly...
You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming
from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read
that part.
All is fair in love, war and politics. If you can't stomach the fight
then go home.
Oh, so you condone your party's lies? More and more Republicans are
coming out saying they want their party to stop that nonsense. It makes
them look stupid for one thing. And the people who believe those lies
then have to save face somehow.
You mean like saying you landed in a hot zone and ran for cover, or
saying the CIA lied, or saying the old folks fighting against health
care reform were carrying swasticka's? Oh wait... forget it...
Yes, a lie is a lie. BUT, you didn't answer the question!
Ok, I will guess the question is about death panels.. The panels of
uninvolved strangers from the government shouldn't be refered to as
"Death Panels"... They should be called "Politically correct timely
demise panels"...
Panels are panels. Call them what you will. A name simply identifies
something, you call it a planning panel, I call it a Politically correct
timely demise panel.. Tomato, Tomato. It is still a panel of uninvolved
strangers who will be looking at paperwork and providing suggestions
based on Government "Guidelines" as they will be folks who answer to the
Government, not a doctor, financial advisor, family, guardian, durable
power of atty, or lawyer that knows you and should the ones helping you
make those decisions...
BULL****! They aren't providing ANY "suggestions" based on anything. And
it IS done by the doctor's liasons.
ALL it does is require Medicare to OFFER counseling. The planning is
nothing more, nothing less than thinking ahead about the treatment you'd
like to receive at the end of your life. He
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/fal...anasia-claims/
You need to read for yourself, NOT rely on the lies being told by the right.
Again, go read the damn bill.
"hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the
7 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con
8sultation between the individual and a practitioner de
9scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning,
10 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has
11 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
12 consultation shall include the following:
13 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad
14vance care planning, including key questions and
15 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo
16ple to talk to.
17 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad
18....and so on.
Note the word 'shall' in line 12. Shall is simply a nice way of saying
'is hereby ordered to'.
--
John H
All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.
So where does it say in there that the Democrats want to pull the plug
on elderly people's lives? THAT is what your fellow conservatives are
saying.
Here Loogy. Read something worthwhile for a change.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57434490015216...
No matter what liberal rag you're reading, the fact is that the
liberals want to get the elderly off healthcare, and that means
pulling the plug. Do you think the 'counselling' was meant to provide
information on new medical technology to lengthen their lives? Hell,
no.
I think liberals have figured out a way to help the 'carbon footprint'
problem. Kill babies and pull the plug on the elderly.
Good lord your party has lied to you and you believe every bit of it!
Loog. hey man. remember.

Politics is politics, and it seems like politicians are built to lie.

Poli- [many] tics- [blood suckers]

Speaking of blood suckers - chiggers qualify.

I just put up a couple pics of the dangers of golfing.

The quality of the photography isn't all that great, but it's real.
--
John H


Jeez, they ate you alive!

Them's mean motha's.
--
John H

"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant
that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it."
-- Thomas Sowell

Proprietario di Guzzi wrote:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:09:37 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Guzzisti wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:26:21 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Aug 17, 2:26 pm, NotNow wrote:
JLH OPAof7 wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:55:26 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JLH LXV wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:25:56 -0400, NotNow wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
BAR wrote:
NotNow wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Aug 13, 7:28 am, JLH wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:
On Aug 13, 7:13 am, JLH wrote:
Well, I'm part owner of a couple, and I don't consider myself
'wealthy' (in the material sense, that is).
--
yeah so am i. i own about 10 shares of goldman sachs in my 401k
portfolio. big shwoop.
Then quit ****ing and moaning about the owners being wealthy (in the
material sense, of course).
ROFLMAO!! why? do you think that having had the big boys raid my 401k
to maintain their lifestyles makes me rich? you right wingers have
quite an imagination.
Oh, and quit calling names and hurling personal insults. They don't
help your arguments. Krause has been doing it for years. Hasn't helped
him at all.
--
?? now let's see...the right invents lies such as obama putting people
in concentration camps, forming death panels, etc.
THEN when they get called on it, they moan they're being treated
unfairly...
You are correct! The lies about the death panel crap that is coming
from the right is dishonest, and they know it, that is IF they read
that part.
All is fair in love, war and politics. If you can't stomach the fight
then go home.
Oh, so you condone your party's lies? More and more Republicans are
coming out saying they want their party to stop that nonsense. It makes
them look stupid for one thing. And the people who believe those lies
then have to save face somehow.
You mean like saying you landed in a hot zone and ran for cover, or
saying the CIA lied, or saying the old folks fighting against health
care reform were carrying swasticka's? Oh wait... forget it...
Yes, a lie is a lie. BUT, you didn't answer the question!
Ok, I will guess the question is about death panels.. The panels of
uninvolved strangers from the government shouldn't be refered to as
"Death Panels"... They should be called "Politically correct timely
demise panels"...
Panels are panels. Call them what you will. A name simply identifies
something, you call it a planning panel, I call it a Politically correct
timely demise panel.. Tomato, Tomato. It is still a panel of uninvolved
strangers who will be looking at paperwork and providing suggestions
based on Government "Guidelines" as they will be folks who answer to the
Government, not a doctor, financial advisor, family, guardian, durable
power of atty, or lawyer that knows you and should the ones helping you
make those decisions...
BULL****! They aren't providing ANY "suggestions" based on anything. And
it IS done by the doctor's liasons.
ALL it does is require Medicare to OFFER counseling. The planning is
nothing more, nothing less than thinking ahead about the treatment you'd
like to receive at the end of your life. He
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/fal...anasia-claims/
You need to read for yourself, NOT rely on the lies being told by the right.
Again, go read the damn bill.
"hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the
7 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con
8sultation between the individual and a practitioner de
9scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning,
10 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has
11 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
12 consultation shall include the following:
13 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad
14vance care planning, including key questions and
15 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo
16ple to talk to.
17 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad
18....and so on.
Note the word 'shall' in line 12. Shall is simply a nice way of saying
'is hereby ordered to'.
--
John H
All decisions, even those made by liberals, are the result of binary thinking.
So where does it say in there that the Democrats want to pull the plug
on elderly people's lives? THAT is what your fellow conservatives are
saying.
Here Loogy. Read something worthwhile for a change.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...57434490015216...
No matter what liberal rag you're reading, the fact is that the
liberals want to get the elderly off healthcare, and that means
pulling the plug. Do you think the 'counselling' was meant to provide
information on new medical technology to lengthen their lives? Hell,
no.
I think liberals have figured out a way to help the 'carbon footprint'
problem. Kill babies and pull the plug on the elderly.
Good lord your party has lied to you and you believe every bit of it!
Loog. hey man. remember.

Politics is politics, and it seems like politicians are built to lie.

Poli- [many] tics- [blood suckers]
Speaking of blood suckers - chiggers qualify.

I just put up a couple pics of the dangers of golfing.

The quality of the photography isn't all that great, but it's real.
--
John H

Jeez, they ate you alive!

Them's mean motha's.
--
John H

"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant
that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it."
-- Thomas Sowell

There's a little island off of Tarpon Springs FL that you can camp on. I
went out there one time and the no seeums just chewed on me constantly!

On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:24:02 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Proprietario di Guzzi wrote:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:09:37 -0400, NotNow wrote:

snipped

I just put up a couple pics of the dangers of golfing.

The quality of the photography isn't all that great, but it's real.
--
John H

Jeez, they ate you alive!

Them's mean motha's.
--
John H

"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant
that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it."
-- Thomas Sowell

There's a little island off of Tarpon Springs FL that you can camp on. I
went out there one time and the no seeums just chewed on me constantly!

These bites are five days old now and are still itching. I've been
chewed on by the noseeums down in the Bahamas. Chiggers are much
worse. The only good news is that their bite causes their death.
--
John H

"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant
that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it."
-- Thomas Sowell

On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:53:14 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:03:16 -0400, Proprietario di Guzzi penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|The only good news is that their bite causes their death.

Not hardly... unless you mean that you can then locate them and kill
them.

Maybe I misread:

"The time required for a chigger to complete its meal varies with the
location of the bite, the host and the species. If undisturbed,
chiggers commonly take three or four days, and sometimes longer, to
eat their dinner. This is not surprising when you consider that this
is the first and last meal of the young chigger's life."

From:

http://mdc.mo.gov/nathis/arthopo/chiggers/


--
John H

"BEND OVER - The 'change' is coming!"