On Aug 17, 10:11*am, thunder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:39:46 -0400, JustWait wrote:
Nobody here wants to give up that right, just want to get it back to
reality so doctors can be doctors again...

Well, what kind of tort reform are you talking about? *The only tort
reform I ever hear about is capping damage awards.

If doctors have a bitch about malpractice insurance, they should take it
up with their insurance providers, because, frankly, there are quite a
few doctors that shouldn't be practicing medicine.

Tort reform can also address junk lawsuits and fraud...

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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:58:13 -0400, JustWait wrote:


So, now you don't support the end of life panels??? Sounds like all you
really care about is squashing the competition and forcing your party
views on everybody.. So, are you like Harry and Al Gore, just think you
are smarter so we should all just shut up and pay up???

No, actually, I think end of life counseling is a good idea, voluntary of
course. Living wills are prudent, and put the decisions in the hands of
the individual, where they belong, not in the hands of grieving loved
ones, who under the emotional stress of the moment, have enough on their
plate.

Right now my dad is in the hospital with terminal cancer. We have a
living will made long ago and very specific orders from him on how it's
gonna' go. He is not a candidate for any kind of treatment now except
comfort so I am pretty familiar with planning. We did it with my dad,
two of his best friends, his doctor and his lawyer...

At this time I am completely in charge of his future as he has indicated
to the doctors that this is the way he wants it...

So my point is, I am living this right now and I don't want government
pencil pushers involved, not even a little bit...

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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:56:10 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Yeah, let's just have one party rule.. I just don't get the math though
with slightly over 50% voting for Obama... You are suggesting nearly
half of the population being repub, they are though? Like I said, only
if freedom of speech is quelled by keeping email lists or bills like the
fairness act. Still doesn't mean half of America just should sit and let
the elite limosine liberals run our lives..

But half are not Republican. You are forgetting Independents. Until
recently, the break down was, roughly, 1/3 Dems, 1/3 Independents, and
1/3 Republican. However, that has changed. Self-identified Republicans
are less than 1/4, with the remainder mostly going to the Independent
column.

Hey, I strongly believe in the two party system, I'm just not sure the
Republican party will be that second party. Republican support is mainly
defined as white married Christian, an aging and declining demographic.
If Republicans can't become inclusive of ethnic diversity, and the youth
demographic, they are going to wither on the vine.

That's unfortunate, because Conservatives have some good ideas that
should be in the national debate. Born again Christians, however, can
pound sand.

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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:56:10 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Yeah, let's just have one party rule.. I just don't get the math though
with slightly over 50% voting for Obama... You are suggesting nearly
half of the population being repub, they are though? Like I said, only
if freedom of speech is quelled by keeping email lists or bills like the
fairness act. Still doesn't mean half of America just should sit and let
the elite limosine liberals run our lives..

But half are not Republican. You are forgetting Independents. Until
recently, the break down was, roughly, 1/3 Dems, 1/3 Independents, and
1/3 Republican. However, that has changed. Self-identified Republicans
are less than 1/4, with the remainder mostly going to the Independent
column.

Hey, I strongly believe in the two party system, I'm just not sure the
Republican party will be that second party. Republican support is mainly
defined as white married Christian, an aging and declining demographic.
If Republicans can't become inclusive of ethnic diversity, and the youth
demographic, they are going to wither on the vine.

That's unfortunate, because Conservatives have some good ideas that
should be in the national debate. Born again Christians, however, can
pound sand.

You have sucked up party line like a good follower.. I predict a huge
turn around again like 84... 3/4 of Americans are pretty upset at the
dems in congress right now...
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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:15:59 -0700, JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:


Tort reform can also address junk lawsuits and fraud...

Establishing a lower threshold before allowing lawsuits, would take care
of the former. Fraud is already against the law.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:20:51 -0400, JustWait wrote:


So my point is, I am living this right now and I don't want government
pencil pushers involved, not even a little bit...

The end of life counseling, as written, would be *completely* voluntary.
I'm sympathetic to your situation, and you have my condolences. It has
to be a difficult time.

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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:20:51 -0400, JustWait wrote:


So my point is, I am living this right now and I don't want government
pencil pushers involved, not even a little bit...

The end of life counseling, as written, would be *completely* voluntary.
I'm sympathetic to your situation, and you have my condolences. It has
to be a difficult time.

Please tell me how the word "shall" makes it voluntary??

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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:20:51 -0400, JustWait wrote:


So my point is, I am living this right now and I don't want government
pencil pushers involved, not even a little bit...

The end of life counseling, as written, would be *completely* voluntary.
I'm sympathetic to your situation, and you have my condolences. It has
to be a difficult time.

Yeah, a little tricky but we have been planning this for years. Dad is
in no pain, he is completely lucid, and quite content with the lot he
has been dealt. I don't tend to break down in situations until after the
fact so I am pretty much in "common sense" mode right now, that's why he
has the docs communicating with me for these things..



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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:28:49 -0400, JustWait wrote:


You have sucked up party line like a good follower.. I predict a huge
turn around again like 84... 3/4 of Americans are pretty upset at the
dems in congress right now...

Not only the Democrats in Congress, Congress as a whole. As for 1984,
Reagan had a landslide victory, but it didn't translate to Congress.
Republicans actually lost two seats in the Senate.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:38:38 -0400, JustWait wrote:

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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:20:51 -0400, JustWait wrote:


So my point is, I am living this right now and I don't want
government pencil pushers involved, not even a little bit...

The end of life counseling, as written, would be *completely*
voluntary. I'm sympathetic to your situation, and you have my
condolences. It has to be a difficult time.

Please tell me how the word "shall" makes it voluntary??

Shall refers to what the counseling consists of. If you read the first
paragraphs, you will see that Sec. 1233 amends current law. To
understand Sec. 1233, it has to be placed in context.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...40SZ9:e513253:

Moreover, this is still America. We do not do eugenics. Democrats and
Republicans should be agreed on that.