In article ,
says...

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:28:49 -0400, JustWait wrote:


You have sucked up party line like a good follower.. I predict a huge
turn around again like 84... 3/4 of Americans are pretty upset at the
dems in congress right now...

Not only the Democrats in Congress, Congress as a whole. As for 1984,
Reagan had a landslide victory, but it didn't translate to Congress.
Republicans actually lost two seats in the Senate.

Americans won't sit back while democracy is dismantled. Freedom of
speech is being assulted as we speak... They are keeping illegal lists
of the opposition and addressing them directly (very illegal and
unconstitutional), kind of a "we know who you are" thing. Attacking
private citizens from the Oval Office (illegal and cowardly) beating up
black detractors on sidewalks, hiring union thugs to keep control at
meetings, even The New Black Panther Party has been given free reign to
patrol voting stations with weapons, opposition news agencies being
called out from the Oval office, the list is almost endless already..
And you all were worried about us tapping out of country terrorists and
a red herring "library card" law that in fact was never used... .
Americans won't take it for long, thank God.

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JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:28:49 -0400, JustWait wrote:


You have sucked up party line like a good follower.. I predict a huge
turn around again like 84... 3/4 of Americans are pretty upset at the
dems in congress right now...
Not only the Democrats in Congress, Congress as a whole. As for 1984,
Reagan had a landslide victory, but it didn't translate to Congress.
Republicans actually lost two seats in the Senate.

Americans won't sit back while democracy is dismantled. Freedom of
speech is being assulted as we speak... They are keeping illegal lists
of the opposition and addressing them directly (very illegal and
unconstitutional), kind of a "we know who you are" thing. Attacking
private citizens from the Oval Office (illegal and cowardly) beating up
black detractors on sidewalks, hiring union thugs to keep control at
meetings, even The New Black Panther Party has been given free reign to
patrol voting stations with weapons, opposition news agencies being
called out from the Oval office, the list is almost endless already..
And you all were worried about us tapping out of country terrorists and
a red herring "library card" law that in fact was never used... .
Americans won't take it for long, thank God.



Moron.

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:38:38 -0400, JustWait wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:20:51 -0400, JustWait wrote:


So my point is, I am living this right now and I don't want
government pencil pushers involved, not even a little bit...

The end of life counseling, as written, would be *completely*
voluntary. I'm sympathetic to your situation, and you have my
condolences. It has to be a difficult time.

Please tell me how the word "shall" makes it voluntary??

Shall refers to what the counseling consists of. If you read the first
paragraphs, you will see that Sec. 1233 amends current law. To
understand Sec. 1233, it has to be placed in context.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...40SZ9:e513253:

Moreover, this is still America. We do not do eugenics. Democrats and
Republicans should be agreed on that.

It's not eugenics I am worried about. It is more on the financial end
for the family. Seems all medicare wants to do with dad is take his home
and send him off to die... We and his doctor see a year or two of
quality life at home as long as he doesn't get into too much pain. You
know damn well any government representative involved is going to be
bound by regulation as to what they can and can't suggest, and of course
all of that will be based on the bottom line..

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JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:38:38 -0400, JustWait wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:20:51 -0400, JustWait wrote:


So my point is, I am living this right now and I don't want
government pencil pushers involved, not even a little bit...
The end of life counseling, as written, would be *completely*
voluntary. I'm sympathetic to your situation, and you have my
condolences. It has to be a difficult time.
Please tell me how the word "shall" makes it voluntary??
Shall refers to what the counseling consists of. If you read the first
paragraphs, you will see that Sec. 1233 amends current law. To
understand Sec. 1233, it has to be placed in context.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...40SZ9:e513253:

Moreover, this is still America. We do not do eugenics. Democrats and
Republicans should be agreed on that.

It's not eugenics I am worried about. It is more on the financial end
for the family. Seems all medicare wants to do with dad is take his home
and send him off to die... We and his doctor see a year or two of
quality life at home as long as he doesn't get into too much pain. You
know damn well any government representative involved is going to be
bound by regulation as to what they can and can't suggest, and of course
all of that will be based on the bottom line..



The fool known here as JustWait thinks private health insurance
companies are driven by something other than the bottom line.

thunder wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:25:22 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Yeah, dozens of amendments, all squashed.. Biparitzan my ass... Just
because he says it doesn't mean it's true. The dems are not allowing the
repubs a say, they won and they keep reminding us of that.. Bipartizan?
snerk how rediculous...

They weren't all squashed. Isakson's "death panel" made it in. ;-)

Yeah, those damned liberals want everyone dead.......

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:25:22 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Yeah, dozens of amendments, all squashed.. Biparitzan my ass... Just
because he says it doesn't mean it's true. The dems are not allowing the
repubs a say, they won and they keep reminding us of that.. Bipartizan?
snerk how rediculous...
They weren't all squashed. Isakson's "death panel" made it in. ;-)

So, now you don't support the end of life panels??? Sounds like all you
really care about is squashing the competition and forcing your party
views on everybody.. So, are you like Harry and Al Gore, just think you
are smarter so we should all just shut up and pay up???


"forcing your party's views on everybody". The true meaning of
reverseharryanism.

JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:20:51 -0400, JustWait wrote:


So my point is, I am living this right now and I don't want government
pencil pushers involved, not even a little bit...
The end of life counseling, as written, would be *completely* voluntary.
I'm sympathetic to your situation, and you have my condolences. It has
to be a difficult time.

Please tell me how the word "shall" makes it voluntary??


Simple. The word "shall" comes from a paragraph detailing HOW the
doctors, etc. are to handle the situation should someone voluntarily
want it.

H the K wrote:
JustWait wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:28:49 -0400, JustWait wrote:


You have sucked up party line like a good follower.. I predict a huge
turn around again like 84... 3/4 of Americans are pretty upset at the
dems in congress right now...
Not only the Democrats in Congress, Congress as a whole. As for
1984, Reagan had a landslide victory, but it didn't translate to
Congress. Republicans actually lost two seats in the Senate.

Americans won't sit back while democracy is dismantled. Freedom of
speech is being assulted as we speak... They are keeping illegal lists
of the opposition and addressing them directly (very illegal and
unconstitutional), kind of a "we know who you are" thing. Attacking
private citizens from the Oval Office (illegal and cowardly) beating
up black detractors on sidewalks, hiring union thugs to keep control
at meetings, even The New Black Panther Party has been given free
reign to patrol voting stations with weapons, opposition news agencies
being called out from the Oval office, the list is almost endless
already.. And you all were worried about us tapping out of country
terrorists and a red herring "library card" law that in fact was never
used... . Americans won't take it for long, thank God.



Moron.

Go pound sand. You are the moron. Your unions are falling apart. Your
guy's "jam it down their throats" policy is finally meeting resistance
from Americans who are waking up to the administration's bullying
tactics. Wake up and realize that you are the one with oddball mindset.
It's been fun toying with you but this crap is getting old.
Bye! Plonk!

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:38:22 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:25:22 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Yeah, dozens of amendments, all squashed.. Biparitzan my ass... Just
because he says it doesn't mean it's true. The dems are not allowing the
repubs a say, they won and they keep reminding us of that.. Bipartizan?
snerk how rediculous...

They weren't all squashed. Isakson's "death panel" made it in. ;-)

More bull**** from thunder. Isakson had nothing to do with the
language in the bill. Did you not know that? Have you been following
the wrong news reports?

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:38:22 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:25:22 -0400, JustWait wrote:


Yeah, dozens of amendments, all squashed.. Biparitzan my ass... Just
because he says it doesn't mean it's true. The dems are not allowing the
repubs a say, they won and they keep reminding us of that.. Bipartizan?
snerk how rediculous...

They weren't all squashed. Isakson's "death panel" made it in. ;-)

More bull**** from thunder. Isakson had nothing to do with the
language in the bill. Did you not know that? Have you been following
the wrong news reports?

Yeah, that was another "is, is" moment for the President...

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