On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:53:00 -0400, Jim wrote:

Weather or not

You don't want to teach weather in school?

HERESY!!! APOSTATE!!! BLASPHEMER!!!

heh, heh, heh...

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:42:08 -0400, H the K wrote:


Prayers and religious teachings have no place in public K-12 schools.
You want kids to learn your religion? Send them to a religious school.

Exactly, we expect and demand the government to stay out of our
churches. It's not the government's responsibility to teach religion.
That's what parents, churches, and religious schools are for.

H the K wrote:
On 10/6/09 6:53 AM, Jim wrote:
CalifBill wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
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On 10/5/09 3:56 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:55:29 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:

All science is based on "viewpoints". What the heck do you think
drives scientific inquiry? One scientist's view is that Global
Warming
is real. A different scientist looking at the same data calls
bulls**t. Openheimer felt that testing an atom bomb would set the
atmosphere on fire. Others didn't.
None of those "viewpoints" are science however, just opinions or
hypotheses. They become science, or not, after evaluation of the
underlying theory (if any), experimental proof by multiple
individuals, and peer review. Then it's not a viewpoint any longer.

There isn't a thimbleful of evidence of any sort to support
creationism.



How did everything first start?

I suspect that science will eventually bump into that stumbling block .
They have a long ways to go before they realize they can't solve the
mystery of the beginning of life.
In the absence of hard facts to disprove religious beliefs I would
suggest to the faithful to *Keep the faith baby*.
In the case of school policies, The only issue the federal government
should be involved with is insisting that The pledge of allegiance be
recited, in every classroom, in its original form, by every student, in
English, at the beginning of each school day. Weather or not prayers are
encouraged, or historical teachings of a religious nature are included
in curriculum, should be decided by popular vote at the local level.



Science may someday solve the mystery of the origins of the universe and
life. Religion never will.

The funny thing is that science itself evolves as mankind learns more
about his surroundings. In terms of solving the supernatural, all
religion does, really, is change the form of its deities every couple of
thousand years.

Prayers and religious teachings have no place in public K-12 schools.
You want kids to learn your religion? Send them to a religious school.

Sorry fella. You cannot teach history without touching on religion.
Also, with few exceptions, the federal government has no jurisdiction
over what may or may not be taught in public schools.

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:53:00 -0400, Jim wrote:

Weather or not

You don't want to teach weather in school?

HERESY!!! APOSTATE!!! BLASPHEMER!!!

heh, heh, heh...

Thank you. I've made that blunder before. You'd think I'd learn.

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:02:13 -0400, Jim wrote:


Sorry fella. You cannot teach history without touching on religion.
Also, with few exceptions, the federal government has no jurisdiction
over what may or may not be taught in public schools.

Well, Intelligent Design is one of those exceptions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmil...chool_District

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:57:21 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:42:08 -0400, H the K wrote:


Prayers and religious teachings have no place in public K-12 schools.
You want kids to learn your religion? Send them to a religious school.

Exactly, we expect and demand the government to stay out of our
churches. It's not the government's responsibility to teach religion.
That's what parents, churches, and religious schools are for.

I don't believe anyone has suggested the teaching of religion (as you
mean it) in public schools. Students *should* be taught of the various
important beliefs that exist in the world, and how these beliefs may
have had their effects on history.

A belief held by several billion people should be taught as such in
public schools.
--
John H

All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking.

On 10/6/09 8:11 AM, thunder wrote:
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:02:13 -0400, Jim wrote:


Sorry fella. You cannot teach history without touching on religion.
Also, with few exceptions, the federal government has no jurisdiction
over what may or may not be taught in public schools.

Well, Intelligent Design is one of those exceptions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmil...chool_District


Some school districts might allow the teaching of a comparative
religions class in the public school upper grades, but if the teacher or
class goes over the line and starts advocating a religion, parents or
the ACLU or both should slam the practice to the mat.

I really do not understand why anyone wants religious beliefs of any
kind taught in the public schools. When I was a kid, if you were
Catholic and were a public school student, you went to religious classes
at your local church *after* school. Jewish kids did the same - they
attended Hebrew school *after* public school.

First thing in the morning at public school, K-12, we recited the Pledge
of Allegiance. The "under god" nonsense was not added to the pledge
until the mid-1950's, and in my classes, I can't recall anyone who
actually said that while reciting the pledge. We never recited the
lord's prayer aloud as a group, or any other prayer, for that matter.

I do remember one teacher in 10th grade world history discussing the
great numbers of people killed in the name of various religions, and one
teacher in the 8th grade discussing the religions of the ancients.




--
Birther-Deather-Tenther-Teabagger:
Idiots All

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:02:13 -0400, Jim wrote:


Sorry fella. You cannot teach history without touching on religion.
Also, with few exceptions, the federal government has no jurisdiction
over what may or may not be taught in public schools.

Well, Intelligent Design is one of those exceptions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmil...chool_District

"Let's not make a Federal case out of it." That's my cry.
The case shouldn't have been heard in a federal court. It could have
been settled at the local level. The federal government is walking all
over state and local rights. Ultimately, the peoples voice was heard
when the school committee members were fired. Justice was served "by the
people".

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:57:21 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:42:08 -0400, H the K wrote:


Prayers and religious teachings have no place in public K-12 schools.
You want kids to learn your religion? Send them to a religious school.

Exactly, we expect and demand the government to stay out of our
churches. It's not the government's responsibility to teach religion.
That's what parents, churches, and religious schools are for.

Let me ask you this.

Would it be acceptable to teach the subject of creationism as part of
the social sciences education? If not, why not?

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:24:47 -0400, Jim wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:02:13 -0400, Jim wrote:


Sorry fella. You cannot teach history without touching on religion.
Also, with few exceptions, the federal government has no jurisdiction
over what may or may not be taught in public schools.

Well, Intelligent Design is one of those exceptions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmil...chool_District

"Let's not make a Federal case out of it." That's my cry.
The case shouldn't have been heard in a federal court. It could have
been settled at the local level. The federal government is walking all
over state and local rights. Ultimately, the peoples voice was heard
when the school committee members were fired. Justice was served "by the
people".

Crap, if everyone felt like you, the ACLU would be out of work and
unemployment would get even higher.
--
John H

All decisions, even those of liberals, are the result of binary thinking.