On 10/6/09 1:19 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:04:54 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Oct 6, 12:37 pm, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:31:00 -0400, Wayne.B

wrote:
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:02:03 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

I just checked slip fees at Carabelle Florida. $260/month and that
includes water and electric. I think that is high and they say they
have slips available, meaning that people will not pay.
Their rate for hauling both ways (in and out) is $308. Their fee for
keeping her on blocks in their yard is $190/month.

It may be high for Carabelle but $9/month/ft is about par for the
course in the rest of Florida.

Up around Sarasota/Bradenton that is still low. My buddy gave up the
idea of buying a boat when he priced slips.
They may be a little cheaper now but he was looking at $3500-4000 a
year for a large day sailer

When I see the number of vacant slips in these parts, I think it is
high. We have an unfinished marina within 5 minutes of my boat, and
at least 30 vacant slips within walking distance of my boat. 5 miles
away East there is another unfinished marina and another 15 vacant
slips. In Carrabelle, there are two unfinished marinas and about 30
vacant slips. In Panacea, there are about 8 vacant slips. This does
not count all the private docks available.
However, the yard in Carrabelle is the only one within 70 miles where
I can get my boat hauled and put on the bank for a month.


At a certain point the owner can't cut his fee any more.
He still has his bills to pay. Taxes, interest and insurance certainly
didn't go down even if he slashed his payroll..
I suspect the market may force some of those guys out of business.
Then who knows who will end up being there, but they will, by
definition, be rich people. The only question is whether the regular
riff raff will be allowed to keep boats there after that.
The loss of public dock space is already a problem in large parts of
the US. Every time we have one of these recessions that amount of
public dock space gets smaller.

I'm sure happy I have my little patch of water behind my house. It is
really the most valuable thing I own.


What happens when the canal collapses? :)





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On 10/6/09 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:26:22 -0400, H the K
wrote:

I'm sure happy I have my little patch of water behind my house. It is
really the most valuable thing I own.


What happens when the canal collapses? :)

That is what HOAs are good for. My dock is at the end of the canal
that serves the HOA boat basin so they would fix it.
In real life I would probably rent a big assed pump and suck it out
myself since I am the biggest user. I can sell the dirt for the price
of a day's pump rental.
Permits are trivial on this because it is not a natural body of water.
I just need to mud boom the entrance of the canal. If you boomed the
canal and did it over the weekend you could probably get away without
a permit, but as Nixon said, "that would be wrong" ;-)

The HOA has looked into digging the canal deeper but it is on the
"wait and see" agenda.

BTW that is the main reason why I let the mangroves grow as wild as
they are on the banks (ask Wayne). It holds the dirt so the canal
won't "collapse". Nature beats technology every time.
Just be sure to duck on your way out ;-)


In some parts of the world, there would be interesting snakes living
among the branches of those mangroves, just waiting to drop down on you,
including the genus Bungarus.



:)

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On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:29:20 -0400, gfretwell wrote:


I am not afraid of snakes.

I never was either, but water moccasins changed me. I was walking along
a RR track in Florida, when I stopped to look at a swamp. Must of been a
1/2 dozen of the things that swam over to have a look at me. A couple
even started to climb out of the swamp towards me. I took that as a
reason to keep walking, quickly. Around here, the snakes I come upon,
head away.

On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 05:43:34 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:29:20 -0400, gfretwell wrote:


I am not afraid of snakes.

I never was either, but water moccasins changed me. I was walking along
a RR track in Florida, when I stopped to look at a swamp. Must of been a
1/2 dozen of the things that swam over to have a look at me. A couple
even started to climb out of the swamp towards me. I took that as a
reason to keep walking, quickly. Around here, the snakes I come upon,
head away.

Same thing happened to me in Florida. Walking along a canal, moccasin
swimming, headed right for the bank and started up. I took off.
Luckily I could run fast back then.

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:14:14 -0400, wrote:

BTW that is the main reason why I let the mangroves grow as wild as
they are on the banks (ask Wayne). It holds the dirt so the canal
won't "collapse". Nature beats technology every time.
Just be sure to duck on your way out ;-)

I thought you were just trying to camouflage your dock and boat, good
job too, along with some navigational challenges for the uninitiated.