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I have been in contact with the "keeper" of the rec.boats FAQ.
It seems that he left the group a while ago for two reasons: 1.) He was tired of all the Off Topic posting 2.) He realised he was spending too much time on rec.boats, and not enough time boating. The FAQ is a wealth of boating (primarily sailing) knowledge. It is obvious that the founders of this group loved boating. They put in the time and effort. PROPOSAL: 1.) That we, as a group, decide to return rec.boats to a "boating" newsgroup. 2.) That we, as a group, acknowledge the importance of "chit-chat", political argument, and general nonsense by supporting the creation of rec.boats.lounge, or some similarly named group, where the conversation is unlimited. Personally, I have benefitted from other's boating knowledge in this group. I also admit (mea culpa) to participating in some OT threads. Ideas and personalities are interesting, sometimes provocative, and sometimes infuriating. It is also true that we have lost regs and newbies because of the OT posts. Can we take that portion of the experience next door? I am willing to do the process (3 to 6 months) to create a discussion group for rec.boats. Is there any support for this effort? My personal opinion is that there is a tremendous wealth of boating information and experience here. Far more than any individual could hope to experience. This treasure is also often buried under tons of political opinion. I think that this is a mistake. This issue has been raised before. It has either never received adequate support to move it forward, or the people involved have not been able or willing to do it. I am not suggesting "moderation" of rec.boats, simply an updated FAQ and a seperate discussion group for OT stuff. Response from posters and lurkers is appreciated. It's not worth the effort if nobody cares. Regards, noah |
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Great post, Noah!
I didn't know there was a sole originator to the rec.boats NG, but I find it sad that he left. I have another suggestion for the idle "chit-chat" people might do on rec.boats. Instead of another "lounge" type of NG, just have people take it to email. That way two people can hold a conversation and not clog up the NG. Norm Eckert and I do that frequently.... He'll email me, or I'll email him, and we'll talk about boating or our families and such and what's the latest goings on in our lives. There are a lot of good people on this NG. But again, sadly, a lot of people have left because of the signal-to-noise ratio. I applaud you for the effort to try to bring rec.boats back to what it once was. Butch Ammon |
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Noah,
It is a very noble suggestion, and I hope you are successful in your endeavor. I hope I am wrong, but the regulars don't want a rec.boats they want rec.boats.flamewar. "noah" wrote in message ... I have been in contact with the "keeper" of the rec.boats FAQ. It seems that he left the group a while ago for two reasons: 1.) He was tired of all the Off Topic posting 2.) He realised he was spending too much time on rec.boats, and not enough time boating. The FAQ is a wealth of boating (primarily sailing) knowledge. It is obvious that the founders of this group loved boating. They put in the time and effort. PROPOSAL: 1.) That we, as a group, decide to return rec.boats to a "boating" newsgroup. 2.) That we, as a group, acknowledge the importance of "chit-chat", political argument, and general nonsense by supporting the creation of rec.boats.lounge, or some similarly named group, where the conversation is unlimited. Personally, I have benefitted from other's boating knowledge in this group. I also admit (mea culpa) to participating in some OT threads. Ideas and personalities are interesting, sometimes provocative, and sometimes infuriating. It is also true that we have lost regs and newbies because of the OT posts. Can we take that portion of the experience next door? I am willing to do the process (3 to 6 months) to create a discussion group for rec.boats. Is there any support for this effort? My personal opinion is that there is a tremendous wealth of boating information and experience here. Far more than any individual could hope to experience. This treasure is also often buried under tons of political opinion. I think that this is a mistake. This issue has been raised before. It has either never received adequate support to move it forward, or the people involved have not been able or willing to do it. I am not suggesting "moderation" of rec.boats, simply an updated FAQ and a seperate discussion group for OT stuff. Response from posters and lurkers is appreciated. It's not worth the effort if nobody cares. Regards, noah |
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 03:02:00 GMT, "Bill Cole"
wrote: Noah, It is a very noble suggestion, and I hope you are successful in your endeavor. I hope I am wrong, but the regulars don't want a rec.boats they want rec.boats.flamewar. That may be, Bill, but I honestly don't think so. Support from guys like you is very important. If nobody supports change, there won't be any change. To be honest, I've found the "politics" guys, for the most part, to be reasonable, or at least, approachable. The fun, for them, is in "kicking political *ss", and they may be agreeable to a change of venue. I'm still exploring this, but it could be fun. It could also be unfun. People need to speak up, one way or the other. Regards, noah |
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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 03:08:05 GMT, bb wrote:
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 03:02:00 GMT, "Bill Cole" wrote: I hope I am wrong, but the regulars don't want a rec.boats they want rec.boats.flamewar. What's that old parable about casting stones? You can't change others actions, only your own. bb You won't get away that easily. ![]() Your opinion, please? noah |
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noah wrote:
PROPOSAL: 1.) That we, as a group, decide to return rec.boats to a "boating" newsgroup. 2.) That we, as a group, acknowledge the importance of "chit-chat", political argument, and general nonsense by supporting the creation of rec.boats.lounge, or some similarly named group, where the conversation is unlimited. Personally, I have benefitted from other's boating knowledge in this group. snip Can we take that portion of the experience next door? I am willing to do the process (3 to 6 months) to create a discussion group for rec.boats. Is there any support for this effort? My personal opinion is that there is a tremendous wealth of boating information and experience here. Far more than any individual could hope to experience. This treasure is also often buried under tons of political opinion. I think that this is a mistake. This issue has been raised before. It has either never received adequate support to move it forward, or the people involved have not been able or willing to do it. I am not suggesting "moderation" of rec.boats, simply an updated FAQ and a seperate discussion group for OT stuff. Response from posters and lurkers is appreciated. It's not worth the effort if nobody cares. Regards, noah I lurk here most of the time and like to read "political opinions" of others with mutual intrests. At least most of the "OT" are noted as such and the thread pattern of posting is followed so if you want to follow the thread you can. Most of the "OT" posts are not just copy & paste dribble from "I read this so it must be so" that clutters political groups who start a new (old) thread to get their name and subject back to the top of the header view. Sounds like a great idea,"rec.boats.lounge" would be a great name for the group. We could all do with less name calling, but some of the satire in this group rivals Will Rogers or Mark Twain sometimes. -- __________m___~¿õ____m_________________________ Rick |
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![]() "noah" wrote in message ... I have been in contact with the "keeper" of the rec.boats FAQ. It seems that he left the group a while ago for two reasons: 1.) He was tired of all the Off Topic posting 2.) He realised he was spending too much time on rec.boats, and not enough time boating. The FAQ is a wealth of boating (primarily sailing) knowledge. It is obvious that the founders of this group loved boating. They put in the time and effort. PROPOSAL: 1.) That we, as a group, decide to return rec.boats to a "boating" newsgroup. 2.) That we, as a group, acknowledge the importance of "chit-chat", political argument, and general nonsense by supporting the creation of rec.boats.lounge, or some similarly named group, where the conversation is unlimited. Personally, I have benefitted from other's boating knowledge in this group. I also admit (mea culpa) to participating in some OT threads. Ideas and personalities are interesting, sometimes provocative, and sometimes infuriating. It is also true that we have lost regs and newbies because of the OT posts. Can we take that portion of the experience next door? I am willing to do the process (3 to 6 months) to create a discussion group for rec.boats. Is there any support for this effort? My personal opinion is that there is a tremendous wealth of boating information and experience here. Far more than any individual could hope to experience. This treasure is also often buried under tons of political opinion. I think that this is a mistake. This issue has been raised before. It has either never received adequate support to move it forward, or the people involved have not been able or willing to do it. I am not suggesting "moderation" of rec.boats, simply an updated FAQ and a seperate discussion group for OT stuff. Response from posters and lurkers is appreciated. It's not worth the effort if nobody cares. Regards, noah Go fer it!!! |
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Response from posters and lurkers is appreciated. It's not worth the
effort if nobody cares. I think it's a great idea, if there is any way I can help please let me know. I think both discussions (OT and boating) are relevant -- as people have said OT is like dockside chit-chat. But I agree that it would be nicer if there was a slightly separate "place" for both. Sometimes, albeit rarely, I'll peruse an OT post but mostly I just gather them up and delete them before diving into the newsgroup. This would make everyone's life easier (IMHO). |
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While I am new to this newsgroup, I am by no means new to usenet. Under
different identities I have participated in a variety of groups -- for more than 10 years. My first browser was Mosaic. Every group in which I've participated has run into this problem -- I don't think there's a direct correlation, and even so, correlation does not prove causation. What's the point? Most posters are good about titling their posts so that those of us who choose to participate in political newsgroups to discuss politics can ignore the political posts here. This is a significant improvement over other groups. I don't know why the posters wish to discuss politics here, instead of in the talk.* groups, but I also don't think anyone should stop them. The only real choice is a moderator, or driving political posters out of the group. So I say leave the status quo, and as long as posters use "OT", those of us who aren't interested can filter them. |
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Ok Noah, go for it! You got my vote.
Capt. Frank noah wrote: I have been in contact with the "keeper" of the rec.boats FAQ. It seems that he left the group a while ago for two reasons: 1.) He was tired of all the Off Topic posting 2.) He realised he was spending too much time on rec.boats, and not enough time boating. The FAQ is a wealth of boating (primarily sailing) knowledge. It is obvious that the founders of this group loved boating. They put in the time and effort. PROPOSAL: 1.) That we, as a group, decide to return rec.boats to a "boating" newsgroup. 2.) That we, as a group, acknowledge the importance of "chit-chat", political argument, and general nonsense by supporting the creation of rec.boats.lounge, or some similarly named group, where the conversation is unlimited. Personally, I have benefitted from other's boating knowledge in this group. I also admit (mea culpa) to participating in some OT threads. Ideas and personalities are interesting, sometimes provocative, and sometimes infuriating. It is also true that we have lost regs and newbies because of the OT posts. Can we take that portion of the experience next door? I am willing to do the process (3 to 6 months) to create a discussion group for rec.boats. Is there any support for this effort? My personal opinion is that there is a tremendous wealth of boating information and experience here. Far more than any individual could hope to experience. This treasure is also often buried under tons of political opinion. I think that this is a mistake. This issue has been raised before. It has either never received adequate support to move it forward, or the people involved have not been able or willing to do it. I am not suggesting "moderation" of rec.boats, simply an updated FAQ and a seperate discussion group for OT stuff. Response from posters and lurkers is appreciated. It's not worth the effort if nobody cares. Regards, noah |
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