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On 10/23/09 3:13 AM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:25:55 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

He is not stupid, he is also not an Einstein, but he is naive as hell.

And you've had so many years on the planet and governed millions in
that time, taking into account all factors, contingencies and
predictions and you'd do a better job.

It's damned funny that I never heard you bitch so succinctly during
Bush's presidency.

Come on Bill, you haven't been a Dem in decades. Isn't time to stop
fooling yourself?


Actually, I think it is BiliousBill who used to be a Democrat...unless he
and McKee underwent a vulcan mind meld. McKee always "impressed" me as one
of the "I've got mine, so screw everyone else" Repubs.

And you impress me as **** the rest of you, I want yours. When was the last
time you helped a charity by working for them and not expecting a pay check?

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On Oct 22, 9:36 pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:

He is being like Clinton. Following the polls. CNN, etc poll says people
prefer this, then O seems to follow along. Clinton should have made the
hard decisions instead of the popular decisions and he would have gone in
to
the books as one of the great Presidents.-

guess billy doesnt follow the news.

the polls show the american public wants us to get out of
afghanistan...obama sent more troops...something bush didn't have the
balls to do, all the while dick sucker cheney whimpers that obama's
making him look bad.

He has not figured out the majority want that, and he is still trying to
please his procurers.

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On Oct 22, 11:50 pm, Tosk wrote:

Scrrrrreeeeeech.. Hold on there. Some polls have been taken out of
context by the minority media, but 70% of the people do not want "the
public option".

nope. just the reverse:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5098517.shtml

clear majority of Americans -- 72 percent -- support a government-
sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS
News/New York Times poll finds

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101902451.html

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that support for a
government-run health-care plan to compete with private insurers has
rebounded from its summertime lows and wins clear majority support
from the public.


try again.

60% do not pay taxes, and they do not want to pay for insurance either.

"wf3h" wrote in message
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On Oct 23, 12:25 am, "Bill McKee" wrote:

He did not leave a surplus! The National debt did not go down.

he left a balanced budget which is more than the GOP can say

The dot.com
bubble just poured more money in to the coffers than they could spend
right
away.
Lots of that money was committed to future spending, which is
hurting
us now.

gee you'd think that a GOP president and a GOP congress would have
fixed it...they had all the power.



Same thing with California. So much extra cash that the budget has
doubled in the last 8 years before now, and lots of that money was
committed
as if the gobs of extra money was a permanent source. Bosnia was and is a
disaster. Still an ongoing disaster, and was a European problem. Did not
concern us. Somalia. He refused the heavy tanks, etc that were requested.
Black Hawk down was a disaster because of no heavy armor.

as was the war in iraq when bush fired gen. shinseki for asking for
more troops....



.. Barrack is listening to some polls on the healthcare. Those who
think they should have free healthcare. Same ones who thought he was going
to pay their mortgage and put gas in the tank.

we have the most expensive and least efficient healthcare in the
world. socialized medicine seems to work in countries like the UK,
france, germany and canada. but the american right, wedded to the
failed idea of 'efficient markets' tells fairy tales about the economy
(see the recent article by MIT prof. simon johnson in the 'new
republic')


Reply:
The last 2 years of Bush they had more spending than the former years. And
was not a GOP controlled Congress.

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon,
since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any
kind.
Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.

Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a
different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be
in either
place.
I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference,
nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in
mountain
ambushes.
This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?

This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy
to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the
trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at
least I
hope so.

What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you
can't do that, you shouldn't be in charge.

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Nom=de=Plume

There is no problem with his changing his mind. Unless it is
because a CNN poll says he should change his stance. We did not
hire him to be an arbitrator of popularity. He needs to learn the
"Buck Stops Here" part of the Presidency.
I agree. What makes you think he's being an arbiter of popularity?

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Nom=de=Plume

He is being like Clinton. Following the polls. CNN, etc poll says
people prefer this, then O seems to follow along. Clinton should
have made the hard decisions instead of the popular decisions and he
would have gone in to the books as one of the great Presidents.
And, you know this because? Which polls do you think he's following?
Perhaps you're talking about the "public option" that 70ish % of the
population supports? Yup, he's following the polls!

Which hard decisions didn't Clinton make? Ummm... let's see.. Bosnia,
Somalia, gay in the military, a balanced budget, a surplus....

During his worst nightmare aka Monica he retained high public
support. I guess he was just following the polls.
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Nom=de=Plume

He did not leave a surplus! The National debt did not go down. The
dot.com bubble just poured more money in to the coffers than they
could spend right away. Lots of that money was committed to future
spending, which is hurting us now. Same thing with California. So
much extra cash that the budget has doubled in the last 8 years before
now, and lots of that money was committed as if the gobs of extra
money was a permanent source. Bosnia was and is a disaster. Still an
ongoing disaster, and was a European problem. Did not concern us.
Somalia. He refused the heavy tanks, etc that were requested. Black
Hawk down was a disaster because of no heavy armor. Why didn't
Clinton authorize gays in the military, instead of pushing under the
rug? Man up Clinton. Make a ruling. Just like Truman ruled the
military was desegregated. Make the ruling. As to gays destroying the
military. Seems to work ok in the UK and some other European
countries. Clinton was extremely lucky on the financial front. It was
already starting to crash, before the election. And Gore accelerated
the meltdown with his election claims. Clinton should have fired
Greenspan or at least had looked at the overheated market. But
Clintons choice of advisors was lacking a lot of knowledge. Barrack
is listening to some polls on the healthcare. Those who think they
should have free healthcare. Same ones who thought he was going to
pay their mortgage and put gas in the tank. Too many problems just
now to tackle healthcare. Man Up. Tell the country we need health
care, and we will take a year or two and get it correct. Not a 1000
page bill no one is allowed to read, or have 15 minutes to look at it
and vote. Direct the justice Department to prosecute any body who
was in charge of Naked Shorts and uncovered short sales on Wall
Street, and force them to return all profits and 10x punitive damages.
Including Paulson's buddies. Fire the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
officials, not give them a $2 mega buck signing bonus. He is listening
the polls (slanted polls) and doing leadership that way. He is not
stupid, he is also not an Einstein, but he is naive as hell.



You might want to trim your rants or at least break them up into
intelligible paragraphs. Too much jumble for me to even try to respond
to without wasting lots of time. Believe what you want. It's a free
country (expecting another rant any second.....).


He presented you with a lot of food for thought and you complain that he
didn't make a neat little finger sandwich out of it.
If I were him I'd let you go hungry rather than trying to spoon feed
you.


Not really. Mostly just rants about Clinton, intermixed with a bunch of
nonsense. Why don't you feed yourself... seems like you need some
intellectual nutrients.

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Can not help it if you are reading comprehension challenged.

Can not help it if you don't know how to write... perhaps take a writing
class at a local JC.

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Nom=de=Plume

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"wf3h" wrote in message
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On Oct 22, 11:50 pm, Tosk wrote:

Scrrrrreeeeeech.. Hold on there. Some polls have been taken out of
context by the minority media, but 70% of the people do not want "the
public option".

nope. just the reverse:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5098517.shtml

clear majority of Americans -- 72 percent -- support a government-
sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS
News/New York Times poll finds

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101902451.html

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that support for a
government-run health-care plan to compete with private insurers has
rebounded from its summertime lows and wins clear majority support
from the public.


try again.

60% do not pay taxes, and they do not want to pay for insurance either.

Uh, maybe because the opposition has been shut down by the bat wielding
forces of Obama?

On 10/23/09 4:49 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
"H the wrote in message
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On 10/23/09 3:13 AM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:25:55 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

He is not stupid, he is also not an Einstein, but he is naive as hell.

And you've had so many years on the planet and governed millions in
that time, taking into account all factors, contingencies and
predictions and you'd do a better job.

It's damned funny that I never heard you bitch so succinctly during
Bush's presidency.

Come on Bill, you haven't been a Dem in decades. Isn't time to stop
fooling yourself?


Actually, I think it is BiliousBill who used to be a Democrat...unless he
and McKee underwent a vulcan mind meld. McKee always "impressed" me as one
of the "I've got mine, so screw everyone else" Repubs.

And you impress me as **** the rest of you, I want yours. When was the last
time you helped a charity by working for them and not expecting a pay check?




I have no interest in "yours."

On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:48:31 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:25:55 -0700, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

He is not stupid, he is also not an Einstein, but he is naive as hell.

And you've had so many years on the planet and governed millions in
that time, taking into account all factors, contingencies and
predictions and you'd do a better job.

It's damned funny that I never heard you bitch so succinctly during
Bush's presidency.

Come on Bill, you haven't been a Dem in decades. Isn't time to stop
fooling yourself?

I amn not a current Dem, as they are so far to the left, is impossible to
be one. Also am not Repub as they are too far to the right. More
Libertarian view, but staying a registered Dem, allows me some say in trying
to get the Dem's more to the middle. More Fiscal Conservative, and keep the
social liberal. You on the other hand want the Government to take care of
you cradle to grave.

I'm a payer into the system, not a payee. I'm a small business owner
who keeps paychecks coming to my employees, who also pay taxes and
mortgages and insurance companies.

I want the government to create the best infrastructure possible for
the money. Roads and bridges, public institutions to take care of our
military, elderly and infirmed, a level playing field for primary,
secondary and higher education.

I'd like to see government make certain we have a fairly compensated
workforce that can afford the necessities in life and give them
opportunities to do well if they work hard.

I'd like to see the end of tax breaks for those who take jobs overseas
in search of cheap labor. I'd like to see a tax structure that
doesn't penalize the wrong people. I'd like to see less disparity
between the haves and the have nots.

I'd like to see our government put its citizens first, like most other
civilized nations.

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"wf3h" wrote in message
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On Oct 22, 11:50 pm, Tosk wrote:

Scrrrrreeeeeech.. Hold on there. Some polls have been taken out of
context by the minority media, but 70% of the people do not want "the
public option".

nope. just the reverse:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5098517.shtml

clear majority of Americans -- 72 percent -- support a government-
sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS
News/New York Times poll finds

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101902451.html

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that support for a
government-run health-care plan to compete with private insurers has
rebounded from its summertime lows and wins clear majority support
from the public.


try again.

60% do not pay taxes, and they do not want to pay for insurance either.

Uh, maybe because the opposition has been shut down by the bat wielding
forces of Obama?


I thought it was Hillary!

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Nom=de=Plume

On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:47:14 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

"Tosk" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

"wf3h" wrote in message
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On Oct 22, 11:50 pm, Tosk wrote:

Scrrrrreeeeeech.. Hold on there. Some polls have been taken out of
context by the minority media, but 70% of the people do not want "the
public option".

nope. just the reverse:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5098517.shtml

clear majority of Americans -- 72 percent -- support a government-
sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS
News/New York Times poll finds

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101902451.html

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that support for a
government-run health-care plan to compete with private insurers has
rebounded from its summertime lows and wins clear majority support
from the public.


try again.

60% do not pay taxes, and they do not want to pay for insurance either.

Uh, maybe because the opposition has been shut down by the bat wielding
forces of Obama?


I thought it was Hillary!

60% don't pay taxes. Geez, I wonder why.

Could it be that they don't make enough money to exist?

Middle class jobs pay taxes. We need more of them to stay in the US.