On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:38:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.

This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?


Possibly, unless the local gov't has/gets some credibility and takes action.
Who used the word "crusade" about fighting over there? I don't think it was
Obama.

I've no idea who said 'crusade'. This is the first I've seen it used
in this context.

'Bama said this was a war of necessity. I would think that means we
should win it, not cut and run like we did in Vietnam. If we do that,
then you liberals will say, "We lost".

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:39:21 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.

This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?


This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at least I
hope so.


What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you can't do that,
you shouldn't be in charge.

Didn't we change our minds about Vietnam? Does changing your mind mean
you've 'lost'?

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:40:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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But, the VN war was considered a loss

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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.


I don't think most GIs think it's a crusade. Certainly, the Iraqis/Afghanis
do.

Did you just make that up or did you get it from MoveOn.org?

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:07:01 -0400, John H. wrote:


I've no idea who said 'crusade'. This is the first I've seen it used in
this context.

Selective, or defective memory? It was, of course, GWB that used the
word "crusade".

"This is a new kind of, a new kind of evil. And the American people are
beginning to understand. This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to
take a while. And American people must be patient." George W. Bush, Sept.
16, 2001.

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:19:58 -0500, thunder
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:07:01 -0400, John H. wrote:


I've no idea who said 'crusade'. This is the first I've seen it used in
this context.

Selective, or defective memory? It was, of course, GWB that used the
word "crusade".

"This is a new kind of, a new kind of evil. And the American people are
beginning to understand. This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to
take a while. And American people must be patient." George W. Bush, Sept.
16, 2001.

Hence the close association with Eric Prince. There was lots done in
the name of Jesus. That's how Bush got Blair on his side.

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:19:58 -0500, thunder
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:07:01 -0400, John H. wrote:


I've no idea who said 'crusade'. This is the first I've seen it used in
this context.

Selective, or defective memory? It was, of course, GWB that used the
word "crusade".

"This is a new kind of, a new kind of evil. And the American people are
beginning to understand. This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to
take a while. And American people must be patient." George W. Bush, Sept.
16, 2001.

Sorry. I thought the post was referring to Afghanistan. I do remember
the above, and I do find it applicable - to the worldwide war on
terrorism. Of course, we are no longer at war with terrorists because
they don't exist.

It's hard to keep up.

On Oct 21, 6:51*am, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.

Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.

This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost

bush already lost it. obama's trying to win it.

On Oct 21, 12:21*pm, wrote:


This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at least I
hope so.-

now let me think....which president fired his secdef only AFTER the
pres lost an election....hmmm....could it be

BUSH??

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.

This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?


This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at least I
hope so.


What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you can't do
that,
you shouldn't be in charge.

Didn't we change our minds about Vietnam? Does changing your mind mean
you've 'lost'?


So, what you're saying is that if one changes one mind once, and it doesn't
turn out the way you want, it's a bad thing to change your mind in the
future?

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