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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:32:57 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:40:29 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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But, the VN war was considered a loss


And your point?

Be patient. He'll think of something.


I'm sure that's possible.

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.

This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?


This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at least I
hope so.


What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you can't do
that, you shouldn't be in charge.

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There is no problem with his changing his mind. Unless it is because a CNN
poll says he should change his stance. We did not hire him to be an
arbitrator of popularity. He needs to learn the "Buck Stops Here" part of
the Presidency.

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:15:32 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.

This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?


This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at least I
hope so.


What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you can't do
that, you shouldn't be in charge.

--
Nom=de=Plume


There is no problem with his changing his mind. Unless it is because a CNN
poll says he should change his stance. We did not hire him to be an
arbitrator of popularity. He needs to learn the "Buck Stops Here" part of
the Presidency.

There are those elected who think the interaction with their
constituency stops there. Those that govern *well* keep listening.

Bush thought he knew best and kept on the straight and narrow, no
matter what data came in subsequentely.

Obama has the presence of mind to keep listening and adjusting the
solution to best fit the problem and future.

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:15:32 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since
LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in
either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.

This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?


This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at least I
hope so.


What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you can't do
that, you shouldn't be in charge.

--
Nom=de=Plume


There is no problem with his changing his mind. Unless it is because a
CNN
poll says he should change his stance. We did not hire him to be an
arbitrator of popularity. He needs to learn the "Buck Stops Here" part of
the Presidency.

There are those elected who think the interaction with their
constituency stops there. Those that govern *well* keep listening.

Bush thought he knew best and kept on the straight and narrow, no
matter what data came in subsequentely.

Obama has the presence of mind to keep listening and adjusting the
solution to best fit the problem and future.

Nope, Obama is like Clinton. Go the way the wind blows. Bad in a CEO. You
can listen to the constituents, but you better make decisions on the facts.
Clinton had the charisma and votes to be a great POTUS. He failed the test.

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:21:02 -0700, jps wrote:

Yes, given the choice between having a beer with Jesse Owens or Mein
Fuhrer, Herring would certainly opt for Adolph.

Adolf. Took me fifty years to get it straight.

Casady

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:39:36 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:28:55 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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I've no idea who said 'crusade'. This is the first I've seen it used
in this context.

George W. Bush did.


Pope Urban II was the first to say it in 1095.

Man, those were the days, weren't they?

--Vic

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.

This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?


This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at least I
hope so.


What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you can't do
that, you shouldn't be in charge.

--
Nom=de=Plume


There is no problem with his changing his mind. Unless it is because a
CNN poll says he should change his stance. We did not hire him to be an
arbitrator of popularity. He needs to learn the "Buck Stops Here" part of
the Presidency.

I agree. What makes you think he's being an arbiter of popularity?

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:15:32 -0700, "Bill McKee"
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H.
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since
LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in
either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor
can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.

This is a war of necessity.

It is necessary that we *win* this war.

So saith the messiah.

What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*?


This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy to
change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the trick.
I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at least I
hope so.


What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you can't do
that, you shouldn't be in charge.

--
Nom=de=Plume


There is no problem with his changing his mind. Unless it is because a
CNN
poll says he should change his stance. We did not hire him to be an
arbitrator of popularity. He needs to learn the "Buck Stops Here" part
of
the Presidency.

There are those elected who think the interaction with their
constituency stops there. Those that govern *well* keep listening.

Bush thought he knew best and kept on the straight and narrow, no
matter what data came in subsequentely.

Obama has the presence of mind to keep listening and adjusting the
solution to best fit the problem and future.

Nope, Obama is like Clinton. Go the way the wind blows. Bad in a CEO.
You can listen to the constituents, but you better make decisions on the
facts. Clinton had the charisma and votes to be a great POTUS. He failed
the test.

Looks to me like he's the opposite of Clinton. Please show me where his
decisions have been based on poll numbers or is there something else?

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:38:46 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:30:59 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ
escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind.

Just like the Crusade we are on now,
That war was not going to be won.


Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different
administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either
place.

I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can
the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain
ambushes.


I don't think most GIs think it's a crusade. Certainly, the
Iraqis/Afghanis
do.

Did you just make that up or did you get it from MoveOn.org?


Please show where the regular GI thinks it's a crusade.

Notice how he didn't call you a name but disparaged your ability to
synthesize information for yourself. Projecting that you must have
gotten it from a website since that's where he gets his thoughts.

Herring was probably good at taking instructions and respecting his
commanding officers. From the drivel he posts, I'm guessing his
commanding officer now works for Worldnet Daily.

Notice that Herring wasn't in this series of posts. Of course, that
makes no difference, jps makes things up as he goes, according to
Tosk. Actually, I'm thinking that may be correct.

Actually, one of my commanders was Secretary of State. He's now
retired. Oh, and Bill Clinton was one of my commanders also.

I'm really disappointed that jps saw fit to disparage me with only two
paragraphs about me. That's quite disappointing.

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:36:37 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:41:16 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:15:01 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:39:36 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:28:55 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

I've no idea who said 'crusade'. This is the first I've seen it used
in this context.

George W. Bush did.


Pope Urban II was the first to say it in 1095.

Man, those were the days, weren't they?

--Vic

I think they had fireplaces by then.

Yeah, but they hadn't invented the fork or spoon.

--Vic

Who needs utensils when there's beer, bread, potatoes and the
occasional meat?

A spoon may have come in handy for soup but with enough beer, who
cares?