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Obama and Hitler
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:59:27 -0700, jps wrote:
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:36:37 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:41:16 -0700, jps wrote: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:15:01 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:39:36 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:28:55 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I've no idea who said 'crusade'. This is the first I've seen it used in this context. George W. Bush did. Pope Urban II was the first to say it in 1095. Man, those were the days, weren't they? --Vic I think they had fireplaces by then. Yeah, but they hadn't invented the fork or spoon. --Vic Who needs utensils when there's beer, bread, potatoes and the occasional meat? A spoon may have come in handy for soup but with enough beer, who cares? I do. My Cheerios demand a spoon. --Vic |
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#63
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Obama and Hitler
"John H." wrote in message
... On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:27:21 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:21:09 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:4brsd59fogd9kvvfkee3793an2p21bcaib@4ax .com... On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind. Just like the Crusade we are on now, That war was not going to be won. Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either place. I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain ambushes. This is a war of necessity. It is necessary that we *win* this war. So saith the messiah. What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*? This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy to change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the trick. I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at least I hope so. So, if 'Bama says, "We've won!", then we won the war, yes? If that's the case, couldn't he say, "We won in Vietnam too"? Gosh, we'd be big time winners everywhere! [Note: Unless you want to royally **** off a few liberals here (not Loogy), you should use an upper-case 'M' in messiah when referring to 'Bama.] Nice distortion. This is a typical non-rational attack. You don't like someone, call him names or make fun of his name. Newsflash: It didn't work in the last election. Then address the post. If 'Bama says we've won in Afghanistan, after cutting and running, will we have won? Read my previous comment. No answer is required to your question. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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#64
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Obama and Hitler
"John H." wrote in message
... On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:28:55 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:38:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message m... On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:4brsd59fogd9kvvfkee3793an2p21bcaib@4ax .com... On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind. Just like the Crusade we are on now, That war was not going to be won. Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either place. I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain ambushes. This is a war of necessity. It is necessary that we *win* this war. So saith the messiah. What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*? Possibly, unless the local gov't has/gets some credibility and takes action. Who used the word "crusade" about fighting over there? I don't think it was Obama. I've no idea who said 'crusade'. This is the first I've seen it used in this context. George W. Bush did. 'Bama said this was a war of necessity. I would think that means we should win it, not cut and run like we did in Vietnam. If we do that, then you liberals will say, "We lost". And, please show how or when we've "cut and run" if you're able. Keep trying the attack "you liberals" if you think that'll give your argument merit. We cut and ran from Vietnam. What would you have called it? I use the term 'you liberals', because you liberals are so quick to say the military 'lost' the Vietnam war. Losing. The US lost the war. If you don't understand that simple statement of fact, there's not much else I can add. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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#65
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Obama and Hitler
Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:59:27 -0700, jps wrote: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:36:37 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:41:16 -0700, jps wrote: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:15:01 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:39:36 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:28:55 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: I've no idea who said 'crusade'. This is the first I've seen it used in this context. George W. Bush did. Pope Urban II was the first to say it in 1095. Man, those were the days, weren't they? --Vic I think they had fireplaces by then. Yeah, but they hadn't invented the fork or spoon. --Vic Who needs utensils when there's beer, bread, potatoes and the occasional meat? A spoon may have come in handy for soup but with enough beer, who cares? I do. My Cheerios demand a spoon. --Vic Spoonin came first. Forkin came later. |
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#66
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Obama and Hitler
nom=de=plume wrote:
"John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:28:55 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:38:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind. Just like the Crusade we are on now, That war was not going to be won. Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either place. I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain ambushes. This is a war of necessity. It is necessary that we *win* this war. So saith the messiah. What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*? Possibly, unless the local gov't has/gets some credibility and takes action. Who used the word "crusade" about fighting over there? I don't think it was Obama. I've no idea who said 'crusade'. This is the first I've seen it used in this context. George W. Bush did. 'Bama said this was a war of necessity. I would think that means we should win it, not cut and run like we did in Vietnam. If we do that, then you liberals will say, "We lost". And, please show how or when we've "cut and run" if you're able. Keep trying the attack "you liberals" if you think that'll give your argument merit. We cut and ran from Vietnam. What would you have called it? I use the term 'you liberals', because you liberals are so quick to say the military 'lost' the Vietnam war. Losing. The US lost the war. If you don't understand that simple statement of fact, there's not much else I can add. I agree. You've said quite enough. lol lol |
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#67
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Obama and Hitler
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:06:59 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:26:16 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:39:21 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message om... On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:4brsd59fogd9kvvfkee3793an2p21bcaib@4 ax.com... On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind. Just like the Crusade we are on now, That war was not going to be won. Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either place. I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain ambushes. This is a war of necessity. It is necessary that we *win* this war. So saith the messiah. What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*? This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy to change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the trick. I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at least I hope so. What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you can't do that, you shouldn't be in charge. Didn't we change our minds about Vietnam? Does changing your mind mean you've 'lost'? So, what you're saying is that if one changes one mind once, and it doesn't turn out the way you want, it's a bad thing to change your mind in the future? Where did you see me say that? This was my last post: "Didn't we change our minds about Vietnam? Does changing your mind mean you've 'lost'?" You implied that it was OK for the President to change his mind, meaning, I suppose, that the Afghanistan war is no longer one of necessity. OK, so if we now cut and run, will we have lost? If you want to change the subject and run, that's OK. You backed yourself into a corner. My question, from the last post, still stands. Read my response to the previous post and get back to me when you understand it. Don't hold your breath. Herring's strongest suit is in infuriating. |
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#68
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Obama and Hitler
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:06:59 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:26:16 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:39:21 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message om... On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:4brsd59fogd9kvvfkee3793an2p21bcaib@4 ax.com... On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind. Just like the Crusade we are on now, That war was not going to be won. Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either place. I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain ambushes. This is a war of necessity. It is necessary that we *win* this war. So saith the messiah. What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*? This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy to change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the trick. I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at least I hope so. What's wrong with changing your mind about something? If you can't do that, you shouldn't be in charge. Didn't we change our minds about Vietnam? Does changing your mind mean you've 'lost'? So, what you're saying is that if one changes one mind once, and it doesn't turn out the way you want, it's a bad thing to change your mind in the future? Where did you see me say that? This was my last post: "Didn't we change our minds about Vietnam? Does changing your mind mean you've 'lost'?" You implied that it was OK for the President to change his mind, meaning, I suppose, that the Afghanistan war is no longer one of necessity. OK, so if we now cut and run, will we have lost? If you want to change the subject and run, that's OK. You backed yourself into a corner. My question, from the last post, still stands. Read my response to the previous post and get back to me when you understand it. It's understood. Now answer the question. |
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#69
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Obama and Hitler
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:07:42 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:27:21 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:21:09 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 06:51:17 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:4brsd59fogd9kvvfkee3793an2p21bcaib@4a x.com... On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind. Just like the Crusade we are on now, That war was not going to be won. Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either place. I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain ambushes. This is a war of necessity. It is necessary that we *win* this war. So saith the messiah. What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*? This is the messiah of change and he has demonstrated it is easy to change his mind on things. A couple CNN polls seems to do the trick. I think we are going to declare victory, cut and run ... at least I hope so. So, if 'Bama says, "We've won!", then we won the war, yes? If that's the case, couldn't he say, "We won in Vietnam too"? Gosh, we'd be big time winners everywhere! [Note: Unless you want to royally **** off a few liberals here (not Loogy), you should use an upper-case 'M' in messiah when referring to 'Bama.] Nice distortion. This is a typical non-rational attack. You don't like someone, call him names or make fun of his name. Newsflash: It didn't work in the last election. Then address the post. If 'Bama says we've won in Afghanistan, after cutting and running, will we have won? Read my previous comment. No answer is required to your question. IOW - you give up. |
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#70
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Obama and Hitler
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:08:43 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:28:55 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:38:18 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "John H." wrote in message om... On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:42:40 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:44:22 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message news:4brsd59fogd9kvvfkee3793an2p21bcaib@4a x.com... On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:48 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: Politicians lost their will. I agree. That would be Nixon, since LBJ escalated. Thus, we lost the war. Facts not bull**** of any kind. Just like the Crusade we are on now, That war was not going to be won. Neither conflict is currently a crusade. That's from a different administration. It's unclear what the outcome is going to be in either place. I bet your average Iraqi or Afghani can't tell the difference, nor can the GIs who are getting blown up by road side bombs or in mountain ambushes. This is a war of necessity. It is necessary that we *win* this war. So saith the messiah. What happens if he decides to leave? Will we have *lost*? Possibly, unless the local gov't has/gets some credibility and takes action. Who used the word "crusade" about fighting over there? I don't think it was Obama. I've no idea who said 'crusade'. This is the first I've seen it used in this context. George W. Bush did. 'Bama said this was a war of necessity. I would think that means we should win it, not cut and run like we did in Vietnam. If we do that, then you liberals will say, "We lost". And, please show how or when we've "cut and run" if you're able. Keep trying the attack "you liberals" if you think that'll give your argument merit. We cut and ran from Vietnam. What would you have called it? I use the term 'you liberals', because you liberals are so quick to say the military 'lost' the Vietnam war. Losing. The US lost the war. If you don't understand that simple statement of fact, there's not much else I can add. You're a sly one. When we cut and run from Afghanistan, using your logic, 'Bama will have 'lost' another one. |
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