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Until then, I expect we'll be seeing more missives from the Ponderosa. You're right, guy. I'm deliberately stodgy. And I sincerely don't care. Whether I'm stodgy or casual, you folks will still employ your ad homs, strawmen, red herrings, and assorted fallacies. And you, H the K, and w3f will never be intellectually honest enough to do otherwise. That or you're all intellectually "dilatory." If you're to 'lazy' to look that one up, I'll volunteer to do it for you. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dilatory Enjoy. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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... On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:28:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:01:53 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:30:40 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: snipped for the salvation of bandwidth I'm in the IT business, too. I also volunteer to help special-needs persons - this, without compensation, reward, or to assauge any speculated, deep-seated feelings of guilt. I have and do assist persons that most other people would avoid by walking on the other side of the street. (Do you do the same?) I'll return to a question I have asked of you before, which you failed to answer in any reasonable manner. Who are you to judge another? (And I'll wager that I'm compensated annually less than you are. I'll also wager that my income stream is less than yours.) Good for you!!! Weren't we talking about love and party affiliation? Are you a compassionate conservative and did you support GW Bush's pre-emptive war of choice? What percentage of the folks who "avoid" your friends do you suppose are Republicans? I'd expect it to be larger by at least the weight of a six pack or two. How much "love" do you have, jps? Do you volunteer your time for the unfortunate, the dispossessed, the disaffected, the pariah of our society? Or do you defer to "government" to do your lovin' for ya? Let's see the love, dude! Changing the subject. I'd be pleased to discuss my efforts towards the benefits of mankind but you haven't favored me with any real answers yet. So why should I invest in your inquiry when you haven't invested in mine? This is how it normally goes with you. I think a review of who first toke the path less relevant would yeild a contrary result. What is apparent to the sensible reader is that your declarations are far removed from reality, are not representative of the truth, and that by design. You are a propagandist and you are a minor one at that. You're traipsing around with your basket of radical blubs in remote newsgroups, far from the big-lights that the more notorious radicals, such as Michael Moore, enjoy. I'm sure your family understands you. "toke the path"? I was bleary-eyed last night. I would recommend that you avoid reading C.S. Lewis' "The Abolition of Man" if you have problems comprehending what I write. Then again, I suspect that if you or HK were able to comprehend "The Abolition of Man," any acerbic and witty rebuttal that either of you issued against it would fall as short as all of your other lackluster "blurbs." I don't recall reading this CS Lewis book, but I really enjoyed the space trilogy, and I most enjoyed (and remember) Out of the Silent Planet (apologies to Harry... it's just a coincidence). EM It's more of a philosophical work, em. I haven't read much of C.S. Lewis fiction (one Narnia novel and "The Screwtape Letters," an epistolary). I've read more of his religious and philosophical works, the most difficult to negotiate being "The Abolition of Man," and the most poignant being, imo, "The Problem of Pain." The man was an estimable apologist. And I may be being a bit brutal in this opinion; but, I doubt that either JPS or H the K possess the prowess or acumen to fully absorb it, considering their respectively unremarkable intellectual demonstrations in this NG. That's why the most you'll see from either in a criticism of his work is a "pithy" blurb. I had wanted to add, too, Em, that "The Problem of Pain" is a bit of an exercise in theodicy. It's worth a read, even for those that don't subscribe to any faith in particular. Sometimes, I don't mind a pithy response. ![]() Actually, I don't either ![]() 'pith' when there is little there to show for it. I can understand God's goodness in the face of many things (all things I suppose), but I don't subscribe to the notion of evil (this puts me at odds with lots of religious people of course). I guess I've struggled with this for a long while, but I've concluded that there doesn't have to be the duality of good and evil for good to exist. Bad certainly exists, but I don't believe in evil. Even bad people can be do good in select circumstances. Certainly, the reverse is true. At least you've invested some thought in the issue. That's more than many others do. I think that when the discussion comes up, the terms need to be clearly defined. It can be asserted that 'good' has no meaning if there isn't 'evil.' The one is defined in some part by the other. I wish I had finished G. E. Moore's "Principia Ethica." I had started it last winter, and I put it down in the middle of his defining "good." Maybe I'll be able to finish it when I retire, if I ever get that far :) That's certainly one way to look at it, but if you believe that God can only be good (to the the tune of Johnny Be Good of course), is all powerful, and all knowing, then how can evil really exist? Not to be too heavy about it, but it's more on par with Plato than Aristotle, the latter of which bores me, so I tend to dislike and discount his arguments. So, if I make a logical argument, but I mis-spell a word, the logical argument is "good," but does that make the mis-spelling evil? I claim it's bad but not evil. Maybe that's a stretch. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On 10/26/09 5:09 PM, Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:44:39 -0500, wrote: At least you've invested some thought in the issue. That's more than many others do. I think that when the discussion comes up, the terms need to be clearly defined. It can be asserted that 'good' has no meaning if there isn't 'evil.' The one is defined in some part by the other. I wish I had finished G. E. Moore's "Principia Ethica." I had started it last winter, and I put it down in the middle of his defining "good." Maybe I'll be able to finish it when I retire, if I ever get that far :) I'll save you the trouble. "Good" is BBQ baby back ribs. --Vic Eh... "Good" - non-diseased raw cherrystone clams on the half shell but sadly not worth risking one's health over these days. "Almost" as good - cherrystone clam steamers with melted butter and salty clam broth. "Very good" - steamed two pound Maine lobster. "Very good" - real deal Marseille Bouillabaisse "Good" - but a fading memory, terrific barbecue from Arthur Bryant's Barbecue in Kansas City, *especially* when watching Charley Finley's K.C. Athletics play a few blocks away in the old municipal stadium. The K.C. Star's sports team at the game almost always sent a copy boy over the Bryant's during the fifth inning to bring back a huge order for everyone in the press box. If it was a slow news night, I could almost always convince the night city editor to send me to the game to write a crowd color story. |
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
... On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:44:39 -0500, wrote: At least you've invested some thought in the issue. That's more than many others do. I think that when the discussion comes up, the terms need to be clearly defined. It can be asserted that 'good' has no meaning if there isn't 'evil.' The one is defined in some part by the other. I wish I had finished G. E. Moore's "Principia Ethica." I had started it last winter, and I put it down in the middle of his defining "good." Maybe I'll be able to finish it when I retire, if I ever get that far :) I'll save you the trouble. "Good" is BBQ baby back ribs. --Vic Heh... I'll take some potato salad with that. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:31:48 -0400, H the K
wrote: "Good" - but a fading memory, terrific barbecue from Arthur Bryant's Barbecue in Kansas City, *especially* when watching Charley Finley's K.C. Athletics play a few blocks away in the old municipal stadium. A really drastic diversion here. One of the best laughs I ever has was when George Brett came on the field out to play with the Royals after his surgery for hemorrhoids.. Think he was vying for the hitting title. Lots of speculation whether he was ready to play or not. He waddled out of the dugout. The announcers kept their cool, but I laughed like hell. Forgot all about that. --Vic |
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On 10/26/09 6:05 PM, Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:31:48 -0400, H the K wrote: "Good" - but a fading memory, terrific barbecue from Arthur Bryant's Barbecue in Kansas City, *especially* when watching Charley Finley's K.C. Athletics play a few blocks away in the old municipal stadium. A really drastic diversion here. One of the best laughs I ever has was when George Brett came on the field out to play with the Royals after his surgery for hemorrhoids.. Think he was vying for the hitting title. Lots of speculation whether he was ready to play or not. He waddled out of the dugout. The announcers kept their cool, but I laughed like hell. Forgot all about that. --Vic It was always great fun watching the "A's," even with their crappy w/l record. I was gone from KC by the time the Royals started up. But...and this is a good connection, I did attend get to "cover" the American Royal for a few years as a reporter, and some of my fondest memories were of the table-sized (well, they looked that big) steaks served during the Royal by the American Hereford Assn. Got one of the best stories I ever wrote for The Star at an AHA meeting. |
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:09:30 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:44:39 -0500, wrote: At least you've invested some thought in the issue. That's more than many others do. I think that when the discussion comes up, the terms need to be clearly defined. It can be asserted that 'good' has no meaning if there isn't 'evil.' The one is defined in some part by the other. I wish I had finished G. E. Moore's "Principia Ethica." I had started it last winter, and I put it down in the middle of his defining "good." Maybe I'll be able to finish it when I retire, if I ever get that far :) I'll save you the trouble. "Good" is BBQ baby back ribs. --Vic Nah, that's not good. Good is Tafërtingen Dunkel beer, Jagermiester schnapps, roast chicken, and bratwurst at the Augsburg October fest. Now that's the epitome of "good." Of course a Saturday evening at the Hofbräuhaus in Munich comes close. -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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On 10/26/09 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:09:30 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:44:39 -0500, wrote: At least you've invested some thought in the issue. That's more than many others do. I think that when the discussion comes up, the terms need to be clearly defined. It can be asserted that 'good' has no meaning if there isn't 'evil.' The one is defined in some part by the other. I wish I had finished G. E. Moore's "Principia Ethica." I had started it last winter, and I put it down in the middle of his defining "good." Maybe I'll be able to finish it when I retire, if I ever get that far :) I'll save you the trouble. "Good" is BBQ baby back ribs. --Vic Nah, that's not good. Good is Tafërtingen Dunkel beer, Jagermiester schnapps, roast chicken, and bratwurst at the Augsburg October fest. Now that's the epitome of "good." Of course a Saturday evening at the Hofbräuhaus in Munich comes close. Too...German. |
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