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Harry Reid finds his balls
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latimes.com Senate healthcare bill to include public option, Reid says The majority leader says states would be allowed to opt out of the government-sponsored insurance plan. By Noam N. Levey 1:34 PM PDT, October 26, 2009 Reporting from Washington Fueling the push for a new government insurance plan, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said today that his chamber's healthcare bill would include a compromise that would create a nationwide public option but give states the right to opt out. "The public option is not a silver bullet, [but] I believe it's an important way to ensure competition and to level the playing field for patients with the insurance industry," Reid said. "Under this concept, states will be able to decide what works for them." Reid sent the proposal to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office to be analyzed today, a key step before he can bring a bill to the floor for debate. His decision does not settle the debate roiling Democratic ranks over how to create a government plan that would give consumers who don't get coverage through their employers an alternative to plans offered by commercial insurers. The "opt-out" compromise is still two votes shy of the 60 Reid needs to overcome a Republican filibuster, according to a senior Democratic aide on Capitol Hill who requested anonymity when discussing the plan. And while Reid expresses a preference for the opt-out proposal, others continue to push for an alternative, known as a "trigger," that would establish local public options around the country only if commercial insurers did not provide affordable plans to consumers. That scenario is being championed by Sen. Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, the only Republican to vote for the healthcare reform measure approved by the Senate Finance Committee. With a 60-40 voting majority, which includes two independents who caucus with Democrats, Reid has to hold all his members or pick up Republicans to head off a filibuster. Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D- San Francisco) are advancing separate healthcare bills in the Senate and House, which would have to be reconciled later this year before they are sent to the White House for President Obama's signature. But Pelosi indicated Friday that the opt-out alternative could be included in a reconciled bill. For now, House Democrats are poised to pass a bill that would create a nationwide government plan, although there is still disagreement about how much such a plan should pay doctors, hospitals and other medical providers. Liberals, including Pelosi, favor a proposal that would link those payments to the existing Medicare program, which often pays providers less than commercial insurers. Proponents believe such an arrangement would save money and help drive down costs. But many conservative Democrats, particularly from rural areas where Medicare typically pays less, want the government plan to negotiate its rates with providers, as commercial insurers do. Pelosi hopes to settle those differences in time to unveil a bill later this week, according to her office. |
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Harry Reid finds his balls
"H the K" wrote in message
m... latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-naw-healthcare-reid27-2009oct27,0,4995758.story latimes.com Senate healthcare bill to include public option, Reid says The majority leader says states would be allowed to opt out of the government-sponsored insurance plan. By Noam N. Levey 1:34 PM PDT, October 26, 2009 Reporting from Washington Fueling the push for a new government insurance plan, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said today that his chamber's healthcare bill would include a compromise that would create a nationwide public option but give states the right to opt out. "The public option is not a silver bullet, [but] I believe it's an important way to ensure competition and to level the playing field for patients with the insurance industry," Reid said. "Under this concept, states will be able to decide what works for them." Reid sent the proposal to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office to be analyzed today, a key step before he can bring a bill to the floor for debate. His decision does not settle the debate roiling Democratic ranks over how to create a government plan that would give consumers who don't get coverage through their employers an alternative to plans offered by commercial insurers. The "opt-out" compromise is still two votes shy of the 60 Reid needs to overcome a Republican filibuster, according to a senior Democratic aide on Capitol Hill who requested anonymity when discussing the plan. And while Reid expresses a preference for the opt-out proposal, others continue to push for an alternative, known as a "trigger," that would establish local public options around the country only if commercial insurers did not provide affordable plans to consumers. That scenario is being championed by Sen. Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, the only Republican to vote for the healthcare reform measure approved by the Senate Finance Committee. With a 60-40 voting majority, which includes two independents who caucus with Democrats, Reid has to hold all his members or pick up Republicans to head off a filibuster. Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D- San Francisco) are advancing separate healthcare bills in the Senate and House, which would have to be reconciled later this year before they are sent to the White House for President Obama's signature. But Pelosi indicated Friday that the opt-out alternative could be included in a reconciled bill. For now, House Democrats are poised to pass a bill that would create a nationwide government plan, although there is still disagreement about how much such a plan should pay doctors, hospitals and other medical providers. Liberals, including Pelosi, favor a proposal that would link those payments to the existing Medicare program, which often pays providers less than commercial insurers. Proponents believe such an arrangement would save money and help drive down costs. But many conservative Democrats, particularly from rural areas where Medicare typically pays less, want the government plan to negotiate its rates with providers, as commercial insurers do. Pelosi hopes to settle those differences in time to unveil a bill later this week, according to her office. Unfortunately, he's still angling to include a bogus trigger or a state opt-out. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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Harry Reid finds his balls
On 10/26/09 8:37 PM, jps wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:52:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "H the wrote in message m... latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-naw-healthcare-reid27-2009oct27,0,4995758.story latimes.com Senate healthcare bill to include public option, Reid says The majority leader says states would be allowed to opt out of the government-sponsored insurance plan. By Noam N. Levey 1:34 PM PDT, October 26, 2009 Reporting from Washington Fueling the push for a new government insurance plan, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said today that his chamber's healthcare bill would include a compromise that would create a nationwide public option but give states the right to opt out. "The public option is not a silver bullet, [but] I believe it's an important way to ensure competition and to level the playing field for patients with the insurance industry," Reid said. "Under this concept, states will be able to decide what works for them." Reid sent the proposal to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office to be analyzed today, a key step before he can bring a bill to the floor for debate. His decision does not settle the debate roiling Democratic ranks over how to create a government plan that would give consumers who don't get coverage through their employers an alternative to plans offered by commercial insurers. The "opt-out" compromise is still two votes shy of the 60 Reid needs to overcome a Republican filibuster, according to a senior Democratic aide on Capitol Hill who requested anonymity when discussing the plan. And while Reid expresses a preference for the opt-out proposal, others continue to push for an alternative, known as a "trigger," that would establish local public options around the country only if commercial insurers did not provide affordable plans to consumers. That scenario is being championed by Sen. Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, the only Republican to vote for the healthcare reform measure approved by the Senate Finance Committee. With a 60-40 voting majority, which includes two independents who caucus with Democrats, Reid has to hold all his members or pick up Republicans to head off a filibuster. Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D- San Francisco) are advancing separate healthcare bills in the Senate and House, which would have to be reconciled later this year before they are sent to the White House for President Obama's signature. But Pelosi indicated Friday that the opt-out alternative could be included in a reconciled bill. For now, House Democrats are poised to pass a bill that would create a nationwide government plan, although there is still disagreement about how much such a plan should pay doctors, hospitals and other medical providers. Liberals, including Pelosi, favor a proposal that would link those payments to the existing Medicare program, which often pays providers less than commercial insurers. Proponents believe such an arrangement would save money and help drive down costs. But many conservative Democrats, particularly from rural areas where Medicare typically pays less, want the government plan to negotiate its rates with providers, as commercial insurers do. Pelosi hopes to settle those differences in time to unveil a bill later this week, according to her office. Unfortunately, he's still angling to include a bogus trigger or a state opt-out. Hey, if the Red States want to keep winning at being the least educated and unhealthful, they're going to have to turn it down. Mark Sanford had the right idea. Turn down that stimulus money. If some few red states want to opt out, that'll be the utter end of the GOP in those states. |
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Harry Reid finds his balls
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... On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:52:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "H the K" wrote in message news:Kdmdna_pR45wvnvXnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@earthlink. com... latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-naw-healthcare-reid27-2009oct27,0,4995758.story latimes.com Senate healthcare bill to include public option, Reid says The majority leader says states would be allowed to opt out of the government-sponsored insurance plan. By Noam N. Levey 1:34 PM PDT, October 26, 2009 Reporting from Washington Fueling the push for a new government insurance plan, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said today that his chamber's healthcare bill would include a compromise that would create a nationwide public option but give states the right to opt out. "The public option is not a silver bullet, [but] I believe it's an important way to ensure competition and to level the playing field for patients with the insurance industry," Reid said. "Under this concept, states will be able to decide what works for them." Reid sent the proposal to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office to be analyzed today, a key step before he can bring a bill to the floor for debate. His decision does not settle the debate roiling Democratic ranks over how to create a government plan that would give consumers who don't get coverage through their employers an alternative to plans offered by commercial insurers. The "opt-out" compromise is still two votes shy of the 60 Reid needs to overcome a Republican filibuster, according to a senior Democratic aide on Capitol Hill who requested anonymity when discussing the plan. And while Reid expresses a preference for the opt-out proposal, others continue to push for an alternative, known as a "trigger," that would establish local public options around the country only if commercial insurers did not provide affordable plans to consumers. That scenario is being championed by Sen. Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, the only Republican to vote for the healthcare reform measure approved by the Senate Finance Committee. With a 60-40 voting majority, which includes two independents who caucus with Democrats, Reid has to hold all his members or pick up Republicans to head off a filibuster. Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D- San Francisco) are advancing separate healthcare bills in the Senate and House, which would have to be reconciled later this year before they are sent to the White House for President Obama's signature. But Pelosi indicated Friday that the opt-out alternative could be included in a reconciled bill. For now, House Democrats are poised to pass a bill that would create a nationwide government plan, although there is still disagreement about how much such a plan should pay doctors, hospitals and other medical providers. Liberals, including Pelosi, favor a proposal that would link those payments to the existing Medicare program, which often pays providers less than commercial insurers. Proponents believe such an arrangement would save money and help drive down costs. But many conservative Democrats, particularly from rural areas where Medicare typically pays less, want the government plan to negotiate its rates with providers, as commercial insurers do. Pelosi hopes to settle those differences in time to unveil a bill later this week, according to her office. Unfortunately, he's still angling to include a bogus trigger or a state opt-out. Hey, if the Red States want to keep winning at being the least educated and unhealthful, they're going to have to turn it down. Mark Sanford had the right idea. Turn down that stimulus money. I'm assuming this is a tongue in cheek reply! Everyone, despite their circumstances needs to be covered. Some people can't help it if they live in a state where the governor is a jerk. -- Nom=de=Plume |
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Harry Reid finds his balls
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:09:20 -0400, H the K
wrote: If some few red states want to opt out, that'll be the utter end of the GOP in those states. Yep. Good Dem play. If they really have the balls to get it. Ain't done yet. What's important to a lot of people is job mobility. Me for instance. Since we can't ensure that either one of us can get a job that offers a health care policy, the wife stays where she is. Might convince her to move to Florida with a new insurance regime. Though I must say there are other reasons for staying put, including family, seasons, and plain old inertia. She says a number of people at her work - the ones that don't use the ER for health care - are there only for the health policy. Job market and wages might undergo quite a bit of change. Could invigorate the economy. But then maybe Florida will opt out. Their choice, given state rights and all. hehe. --Vic |
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Harry Reid finds his balls
On 10/26/09 9:36 PM, Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:09:20 -0400, H the K wrote: If some few red states want to opt out, that'll be the utter end of the GOP in those states. Yep. Good Dem play. If they really have the balls to get it. Ain't done yet. What's important to a lot of people is job mobility. Me for instance. Since we can't ensure that either one of us can get a job that offers a health care policy, the wife stays where she is. Might convince her to move to Florida with a new insurance regime. Though I must say there are other reasons for staying put, including family, seasons, and plain old inertia. She says a number of people at her work - the ones that don't use the ER for health care - are there only for the health policy. Job market and wages might undergo quite a bit of change. Could invigorate the economy. But then maybe Florida will opt out. Their choice, given state rights and all. hehe. --Vic There are a lot of Americans who are trapped in their jobs by the economy and by the vagaries of obtaining health insurance at a new job. If Reid and Pelosi pull off a decent health care/insurance reform bill with no votes from the GOP, that party will be even further up the creek than it is now. It also seems possible that our creaky economy is really beginning to make a turn for the better. The GOP can only succeed in the face of failure. If there isn't failure, and if the GOP is seen to have virtually nothing to do with the recovery, it should be interesting politically. |
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Harry Reid finds his balls
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:13:13 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:52:49 -0700, "nom=de=plume" wrote: "H the K" wrote in message news:Kdmdna_pR45wvnvXnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@earthlink .com... latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-naw-healthcare-reid27-2009oct27,0,4995758.story latimes.com Senate healthcare bill to include public option, Reid says The majority leader says states would be allowed to opt out of the government-sponsored insurance plan. By Noam N. Levey 1:34 PM PDT, October 26, 2009 Reporting from Washington Fueling the push for a new government insurance plan, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said today that his chamber's healthcare bill would include a compromise that would create a nationwide public option but give states the right to opt out. "The public option is not a silver bullet, [but] I believe it's an important way to ensure competition and to level the playing field for patients with the insurance industry," Reid said. "Under this concept, states will be able to decide what works for them." Reid sent the proposal to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office to be analyzed today, a key step before he can bring a bill to the floor for debate. His decision does not settle the debate roiling Democratic ranks over how to create a government plan that would give consumers who don't get coverage through their employers an alternative to plans offered by commercial insurers. The "opt-out" compromise is still two votes shy of the 60 Reid needs to overcome a Republican filibuster, according to a senior Democratic aide on Capitol Hill who requested anonymity when discussing the plan. And while Reid expresses a preference for the opt-out proposal, others continue to push for an alternative, known as a "trigger," that would establish local public options around the country only if commercial insurers did not provide affordable plans to consumers. That scenario is being championed by Sen. Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, the only Republican to vote for the healthcare reform measure approved by the Senate Finance Committee. With a 60-40 voting majority, which includes two independents who caucus with Democrats, Reid has to hold all his members or pick up Republicans to head off a filibuster. Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D- San Francisco) are advancing separate healthcare bills in the Senate and House, which would have to be reconciled later this year before they are sent to the White House for President Obama's signature. But Pelosi indicated Friday that the opt-out alternative could be included in a reconciled bill. For now, House Democrats are poised to pass a bill that would create a nationwide government plan, although there is still disagreement about how much such a plan should pay doctors, hospitals and other medical providers. Liberals, including Pelosi, favor a proposal that would link those payments to the existing Medicare program, which often pays providers less than commercial insurers. Proponents believe such an arrangement would save money and help drive down costs. But many conservative Democrats, particularly from rural areas where Medicare typically pays less, want the government plan to negotiate its rates with providers, as commercial insurers do. Pelosi hopes to settle those differences in time to unveil a bill later this week, according to her office. Unfortunately, he's still angling to include a bogus trigger or a state opt-out. Hey, if the Red States want to keep winning at being the least educated and unhealthful, they're going to have to turn it down. Mark Sanford had the right idea. Turn down that stimulus money. I'm assuming this is a tongue in cheek reply! Everyone, despite their circumstances needs to be covered. Some people can't help it if they live in a state where the governor is a jerk. Yes, tongue firmly planted in cheek. I say they need to vote a governor that isn't stupid if they find themselves opted out. |
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Harry Reid finds his balls
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:49:04 -0400, H the K
wrote: There are a lot of Americans who are trapped in their jobs by the economy and by the vagaries of obtaining health insurance at a new job. If Reid and Pelosi pull off a decent health care/insurance reform bill with no votes from the GOP, that party will be even further up the creek than it is now. It also seems possible that our creaky economy is really beginning to make a turn for the better. The GOP can only succeed in the face of failure. If there isn't failure, and if the GOP is seen to have virtually nothing to do with the recovery, it should be interesting politically. I don't think either the D's or R's have a clue about how to bring the jobs back. Which is to penalize companies sending jobs over the borders and encourage (yep, subsidies) companies who generate jobs here. That means I can buy a washing machine, refrigerator or TV that is made in the U.S.A. Et cetera. Most other countries do this, but their govs aren't whores of Wall Street and/or kumbaya one-world liberalism. The economy works trickle-up. Always has. But don't hold your breath. --Vic |
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Harry Reid finds his balls
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:06:22 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:49:04 -0400, H the K wrote: There are a lot of Americans who are trapped in their jobs by the economy and by the vagaries of obtaining health insurance at a new job. If Reid and Pelosi pull off a decent health care/insurance reform bill with no votes from the GOP, that party will be even further up the creek than it is now. It also seems possible that our creaky economy is really beginning to make a turn for the better. The GOP can only succeed in the face of failure. If there isn't failure, and if the GOP is seen to have virtually nothing to do with the recovery, it should be interesting politically. I don't think either the D's or R's have a clue about how to bring the jobs back. Which is to penalize companies sending jobs over the borders and encourage (yep, subsidies) companies who generate jobs here. That means I can buy a washing machine, refrigerator or TV that is made in the U.S.A. Et cetera. Most other countries do this, but their govs aren't whores of Wall Street and/or kumbaya one-world liberalism. The economy works trickle-up. Always has. But don't hold your breath. --Vic Wall Street Liberalism? It's Wall St. Capitalism that doesn't give a **** about the welfare of its fellow citizens. |
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