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Senate healthcare bill to include public option, Reid says
The majority leader says states would be allowed to opt out of the
government-sponsored insurance plan.

By Noam N. Levey

1:34 PM PDT, October 26, 2009

Reporting from Washington

Fueling the push for a new government insurance plan, Senate Majority
Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said today that his chamber's healthcare bill
would include a compromise that would create a nationwide public option
but give states the right to opt out.

"The public option is not a silver bullet, [but] I believe it's an
important way to ensure competition and to level the playing field for
patients with the insurance industry," Reid said. "Under this concept,
states will be able to decide what works for them."

Reid sent the proposal to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office to
be analyzed today, a key step before he can bring a bill to the floor
for debate.

His decision does not settle the debate roiling Democratic ranks over
how to create a government plan that would give consumers who don't get
coverage through their employers an alternative to plans offered by
commercial insurers.

The "opt-out" compromise is still two votes shy of the 60 Reid needs to
overcome a Republican filibuster, according to a senior Democratic aide
on Capitol Hill who requested anonymity when discussing the plan.

And while Reid expresses a preference for the opt-out proposal, others
continue to push for an alternative, known as a "trigger," that would
establish local public options around the country only if commercial
insurers did not provide affordable plans to consumers.

That scenario is being championed by Sen. Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, the
only Republican to vote for the healthcare reform measure approved by
the Senate Finance Committee.

With a 60-40 voting majority, which includes two independents who caucus
with Democrats, Reid has to hold all his members or pick up Republicans
to head off a filibuster.

Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D- San Francisco) are advancing
separate healthcare bills in the Senate and House, which would have to
be reconciled later this year before they are sent to the White House
for President Obama's signature.

But Pelosi indicated Friday that the opt-out alternative could be
included in a reconciled bill.

For now, House Democrats are poised to pass a bill that would create a
nationwide government plan, although there is still disagreement about
how much such a plan should pay doctors, hospitals and other medical
providers.

Liberals, including Pelosi, favor a proposal that would link those
payments to the existing Medicare program, which often pays providers
less than commercial insurers. Proponents believe such an arrangement
would save money and help drive down costs.

But many conservative Democrats, particularly from rural areas where
Medicare typically pays less, want the government plan to negotiate its
rates with providers, as commercial insurers do.

Pelosi hopes to settle those differences in time to unveil a bill later
this week, according to her office.
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Senate healthcare bill to include public option, Reid says
The majority leader says states would be allowed to opt out of the
government-sponsored insurance plan.

By Noam N. Levey

1:34 PM PDT, October 26, 2009

Reporting from Washington

Fueling the push for a new government insurance plan, Senate Majority
Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said today that his chamber's healthcare bill
would include a compromise that would create a nationwide public option
but give states the right to opt out.

"The public option is not a silver bullet, [but] I believe it's an
important way to ensure competition and to level the playing field for
patients with the insurance industry," Reid said. "Under this concept,
states will be able to decide what works for them."

Reid sent the proposal to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office to
be analyzed today, a key step before he can bring a bill to the floor for
debate.

His decision does not settle the debate roiling Democratic ranks over how
to create a government plan that would give consumers who don't get
coverage through their employers an alternative to plans offered by
commercial insurers.

The "opt-out" compromise is still two votes shy of the 60 Reid needs to
overcome a Republican filibuster, according to a senior Democratic aide on
Capitol Hill who requested anonymity when discussing the plan.

And while Reid expresses a preference for the opt-out proposal, others
continue to push for an alternative, known as a "trigger," that would
establish local public options around the country only if commercial
insurers did not provide affordable plans to consumers.

That scenario is being championed by Sen. Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, the
only Republican to vote for the healthcare reform measure approved by the
Senate Finance Committee.

With a 60-40 voting majority, which includes two independents who caucus
with Democrats, Reid has to hold all his members or pick up Republicans to
head off a filibuster.

Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D- San Francisco) are advancing
separate healthcare bills in the Senate and House, which would have to be
reconciled later this year before they are sent to the White House for
President Obama's signature.

But Pelosi indicated Friday that the opt-out alternative could be included
in a reconciled bill.

For now, House Democrats are poised to pass a bill that would create a
nationwide government plan, although there is still disagreement about how
much such a plan should pay doctors, hospitals and other medical
providers.

Liberals, including Pelosi, favor a proposal that would link those
payments to the existing Medicare program, which often pays providers less
than commercial insurers. Proponents believe such an arrangement would
save money and help drive down costs.

But many conservative Democrats, particularly from rural areas where
Medicare typically pays less, want the government plan to negotiate its
rates with providers, as commercial insurers do.

Pelosi hopes to settle those differences in time to unveil a bill later
this week, according to her office.



Unfortunately, he's still angling to include a bogus trigger or a state
opt-out.

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latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-naw-healthcare-reid27-2009oct27,0,4995758.story
latimes.com
Senate healthcare bill to include public option, Reid says
The majority leader says states would be allowed to opt out of the
government-sponsored insurance plan.

By Noam N. Levey

1:34 PM PDT, October 26, 2009

Reporting from Washington

Fueling the push for a new government insurance plan, Senate Majority
Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said today that his chamber's healthcare bill
would include a compromise that would create a nationwide public option
but give states the right to opt out.

"The public option is not a silver bullet, [but] I believe it's an
important way to ensure competition and to level the playing field for
patients with the insurance industry," Reid said. "Under this concept,
states will be able to decide what works for them."

Reid sent the proposal to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office to
be analyzed today, a key step before he can bring a bill to the floor for
debate.

His decision does not settle the debate roiling Democratic ranks over how
to create a government plan that would give consumers who don't get
coverage through their employers an alternative to plans offered by
commercial insurers.

The "opt-out" compromise is still two votes shy of the 60 Reid needs to
overcome a Republican filibuster, according to a senior Democratic aide on
Capitol Hill who requested anonymity when discussing the plan.

And while Reid expresses a preference for the opt-out proposal, others
continue to push for an alternative, known as a "trigger," that would
establish local public options around the country only if commercial
insurers did not provide affordable plans to consumers.

That scenario is being championed by Sen. Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, the
only Republican to vote for the healthcare reform measure approved by the
Senate Finance Committee.

With a 60-40 voting majority, which includes two independents who caucus
with Democrats, Reid has to hold all his members or pick up Republicans to
head off a filibuster.

Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D- San Francisco) are advancing
separate healthcare bills in the Senate and House, which would have to be
reconciled later this year before they are sent to the White House for
President Obama's signature.

But Pelosi indicated Friday that the opt-out alternative could be included
in a reconciled bill.

For now, House Democrats are poised to pass a bill that would create a
nationwide government plan, although there is still disagreement about how
much such a plan should pay doctors, hospitals and other medical
providers.

Liberals, including Pelosi, favor a proposal that would link those
payments to the existing Medicare program, which often pays providers less
than commercial insurers. Proponents believe such an arrangement would
save money and help drive down costs.

But many conservative Democrats, particularly from rural areas where
Medicare typically pays less, want the government plan to negotiate its
rates with providers, as commercial insurers do.

Pelosi hopes to settle those differences in time to unveil a bill later
this week, according to her office.



Unfortunately, he's still angling to include a bogus trigger or a state
opt-out.


Hey, if the Red States want to keep winning at being the least
educated and unhealthful, they're going to have to turn it down.

Mark Sanford had the right idea. Turn down that stimulus money.




If some few red states want to opt out, that'll be the utter end of the
GOP in those states.
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latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-naw-healthcare-reid27-2009oct27,0,4995758.story
latimes.com
Senate healthcare bill to include public option, Reid says
The majority leader says states would be allowed to opt out of the
government-sponsored insurance plan.

By Noam N. Levey

1:34 PM PDT, October 26, 2009

Reporting from Washington

Fueling the push for a new government insurance plan, Senate Majority
Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said today that his chamber's healthcare bill
would include a compromise that would create a nationwide public option
but give states the right to opt out.

"The public option is not a silver bullet, [but] I believe it's an
important way to ensure competition and to level the playing field for
patients with the insurance industry," Reid said. "Under this concept,
states will be able to decide what works for them."

Reid sent the proposal to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office to
be analyzed today, a key step before he can bring a bill to the floor
for
debate.

His decision does not settle the debate roiling Democratic ranks over
how
to create a government plan that would give consumers who don't get
coverage through their employers an alternative to plans offered by
commercial insurers.

The "opt-out" compromise is still two votes shy of the 60 Reid needs to
overcome a Republican filibuster, according to a senior Democratic aide
on
Capitol Hill who requested anonymity when discussing the plan.

And while Reid expresses a preference for the opt-out proposal, others
continue to push for an alternative, known as a "trigger," that would
establish local public options around the country only if commercial
insurers did not provide affordable plans to consumers.

That scenario is being championed by Sen. Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, the
only Republican to vote for the healthcare reform measure approved by
the
Senate Finance Committee.

With a 60-40 voting majority, which includes two independents who caucus
with Democrats, Reid has to hold all his members or pick up Republicans
to
head off a filibuster.

Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D- San Francisco) are advancing
separate healthcare bills in the Senate and House, which would have to
be
reconciled later this year before they are sent to the White House for
President Obama's signature.

But Pelosi indicated Friday that the opt-out alternative could be
included
in a reconciled bill.

For now, House Democrats are poised to pass a bill that would create a
nationwide government plan, although there is still disagreement about
how
much such a plan should pay doctors, hospitals and other medical
providers.

Liberals, including Pelosi, favor a proposal that would link those
payments to the existing Medicare program, which often pays providers
less
than commercial insurers. Proponents believe such an arrangement would
save money and help drive down costs.

But many conservative Democrats, particularly from rural areas where
Medicare typically pays less, want the government plan to negotiate its
rates with providers, as commercial insurers do.

Pelosi hopes to settle those differences in time to unveil a bill later
this week, according to her office.



Unfortunately, he's still angling to include a bogus trigger or a state
opt-out.


Hey, if the Red States want to keep winning at being the least
educated and unhealthful, they're going to have to turn it down.

Mark Sanford had the right idea. Turn down that stimulus money.



I'm assuming this is a tongue in cheek reply! Everyone, despite their
circumstances needs to be covered. Some people can't help it if they live in
a state where the governor is a jerk.

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If some few red states want to opt out, that'll be the utter end of the
GOP in those states.


Yep. Good Dem play.
If they really have the balls to get it.
Ain't done yet.
What's important to a lot of people is job mobility.
Me for instance.
Since we can't ensure that either one of us can get a job that offers
a health care policy, the wife stays where she is.
Might convince her to move to Florida with a new insurance regime.
Though I must say there are other reasons for staying put, including
family, seasons, and plain old inertia.
She says a number of people at her work - the ones that don't use the
ER for health care - are there only for the health policy.
Job market and wages might undergo quite a bit of change.
Could invigorate the economy.
But then maybe Florida will opt out.
Their choice, given state rights and all.
hehe.

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On 10/26/09 9:36 PM, Vic Smith wrote:
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If some few red states want to opt out, that'll be the utter end of the
GOP in those states.


Yep. Good Dem play.
If they really have the balls to get it.
Ain't done yet.
What's important to a lot of people is job mobility.
Me for instance.
Since we can't ensure that either one of us can get a job that offers
a health care policy, the wife stays where she is.
Might convince her to move to Florida with a new insurance regime.
Though I must say there are other reasons for staying put, including
family, seasons, and plain old inertia.
She says a number of people at her work - the ones that don't use the
ER for health care - are there only for the health policy.
Job market and wages might undergo quite a bit of change.
Could invigorate the economy.
But then maybe Florida will opt out.
Their choice, given state rights and all.
hehe.

--Vic



There are a lot of Americans who are trapped in their jobs by the
economy and by the vagaries of obtaining health insurance at a new job.

If Reid and Pelosi pull off a decent health care/insurance reform bill
with no votes from the GOP, that party will be even further up the creek
than it is now. It also seems possible that our creaky economy is really
beginning to make a turn for the better. The GOP can only succeed in the
face of failure. If there isn't failure, and if the GOP is seen to have
virtually nothing to do with the recovery, it should be interesting
politically.


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"jps" wrote in message
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latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-naw-healthcare-reid27-2009oct27,0,4995758.story
latimes.com
Senate healthcare bill to include public option, Reid says
The majority leader says states would be allowed to opt out of the
government-sponsored insurance plan.

By Noam N. Levey

1:34 PM PDT, October 26, 2009

Reporting from Washington

Fueling the push for a new government insurance plan, Senate Majority
Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said today that his chamber's healthcare bill
would include a compromise that would create a nationwide public option
but give states the right to opt out.

"The public option is not a silver bullet, [but] I believe it's an
important way to ensure competition and to level the playing field for
patients with the insurance industry," Reid said. "Under this concept,
states will be able to decide what works for them."

Reid sent the proposal to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office to
be analyzed today, a key step before he can bring a bill to the floor
for
debate.

His decision does not settle the debate roiling Democratic ranks over
how
to create a government plan that would give consumers who don't get
coverage through their employers an alternative to plans offered by
commercial insurers.

The "opt-out" compromise is still two votes shy of the 60 Reid needs to
overcome a Republican filibuster, according to a senior Democratic aide
on
Capitol Hill who requested anonymity when discussing the plan.

And while Reid expresses a preference for the opt-out proposal, others
continue to push for an alternative, known as a "trigger," that would
establish local public options around the country only if commercial
insurers did not provide affordable plans to consumers.

That scenario is being championed by Sen. Olympia J. Snowe of Maine, the
only Republican to vote for the healthcare reform measure approved by
the
Senate Finance Committee.

With a 60-40 voting majority, which includes two independents who caucus
with Democrats, Reid has to hold all his members or pick up Republicans
to
head off a filibuster.

Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D- San Francisco) are advancing
separate healthcare bills in the Senate and House, which would have to
be
reconciled later this year before they are sent to the White House for
President Obama's signature.

But Pelosi indicated Friday that the opt-out alternative could be
included
in a reconciled bill.

For now, House Democrats are poised to pass a bill that would create a
nationwide government plan, although there is still disagreement about
how
much such a plan should pay doctors, hospitals and other medical
providers.

Liberals, including Pelosi, favor a proposal that would link those
payments to the existing Medicare program, which often pays providers
less
than commercial insurers. Proponents believe such an arrangement would
save money and help drive down costs.

But many conservative Democrats, particularly from rural areas where
Medicare typically pays less, want the government plan to negotiate its
rates with providers, as commercial insurers do.

Pelosi hopes to settle those differences in time to unveil a bill later
this week, according to her office.


Unfortunately, he's still angling to include a bogus trigger or a state
opt-out.


Hey, if the Red States want to keep winning at being the least
educated and unhealthful, they're going to have to turn it down.

Mark Sanford had the right idea. Turn down that stimulus money.



I'm assuming this is a tongue in cheek reply! Everyone, despite their
circumstances needs to be covered. Some people can't help it if they live in
a state where the governor is a jerk.


Yes, tongue firmly planted in cheek.

I say they need to vote a governor that isn't stupid if they find
themselves opted out.
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There are a lot of Americans who are trapped in their jobs by the
economy and by the vagaries of obtaining health insurance at a new job.

If Reid and Pelosi pull off a decent health care/insurance reform bill
with no votes from the GOP, that party will be even further up the creek
than it is now. It also seems possible that our creaky economy is really
beginning to make a turn for the better. The GOP can only succeed in the
face of failure. If there isn't failure, and if the GOP is seen to have
virtually nothing to do with the recovery, it should be interesting
politically.

I don't think either the D's or R's have a clue about how to bring the
jobs back.
Which is to penalize companies sending jobs over the borders and
encourage (yep, subsidies) companies who generate jobs here.
That means I can buy a washing machine, refrigerator or TV
that is made in the U.S.A. Et cetera.
Most other countries do this, but their govs aren't whores of Wall
Street and/or kumbaya one-world liberalism.
The economy works trickle-up. Always has.
But don't hold your breath.

--Vic

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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:49:04 -0400, H the K
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There are a lot of Americans who are trapped in their jobs by the
economy and by the vagaries of obtaining health insurance at a new job.

If Reid and Pelosi pull off a decent health care/insurance reform bill
with no votes from the GOP, that party will be even further up the creek
than it is now. It also seems possible that our creaky economy is really
beginning to make a turn for the better. The GOP can only succeed in the
face of failure. If there isn't failure, and if the GOP is seen to have
virtually nothing to do with the recovery, it should be interesting
politically.

I don't think either the D's or R's have a clue about how to bring the
jobs back.
Which is to penalize companies sending jobs over the borders and
encourage (yep, subsidies) companies who generate jobs here.
That means I can buy a washing machine, refrigerator or TV
that is made in the U.S.A. Et cetera.
Most other countries do this, but their govs aren't whores of Wall
Street and/or kumbaya one-world liberalism.
The economy works trickle-up. Always has.
But don't hold your breath.

--Vic


Wall Street Liberalism?

It's Wall St. Capitalism that doesn't give a **** about the welfare of
its fellow citizens.
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