On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:06:22 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:49:04 -0400, H the K
wrote:


There are a lot of Americans who are trapped in their jobs by the
economy and by the vagaries of obtaining health insurance at a new job.

If Reid and Pelosi pull off a decent health care/insurance reform bill
with no votes from the GOP, that party will be even further up the creek
than it is now. It also seems possible that our creaky economy is really
beginning to make a turn for the better. The GOP can only succeed in the
face of failure. If there isn't failure, and if the GOP is seen to have
virtually nothing to do with the recovery, it should be interesting
politically.

I don't think either the D's or R's have a clue about how to bring the
jobs back.
Which is to penalize companies sending jobs over the borders and
encourage (yep, subsidies) companies who generate jobs here.
That means I can buy a washing machine, refrigerator or TV
that is made in the U.S.A. Et cetera.
Most other countries do this, but their govs aren't whores of Wall
Street and/or kumbaya one-world liberalism.
The economy works trickle-up. Always has.
But don't hold your breath.

--Vic

Wall Street Liberalism?

It's Wall St. Capitalism that doesn't give a **** about the welfare of
its fellow citizens.

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:07:41 -0700, jps wrote:


Most other countries do this, but their govs aren't whores of Wall
Street and/or kumbaya one-world liberalism.
The economy works trickle-up. Always has.
But don't hold your breath.

--Vic

Wall Street Liberalism?

It's Wall St. Capitalism that doesn't give a **** about the welfare of
its fellow citizens.

And/or.
There are many free-trade liberals who think that the if the price of
joblessness here is "lifting up" the Mexican or Chinese peasant,
that's a fair trade.
Right in line with the Wall Street pukes who see also see that as
fine, for reasons of lower wages enhancing "shareholder value."
Of course I think they're all full of ****.
They live in fairyland, since most have never worked with their hands
producing real goods, and still don't realize that the money party is
over and it's time for Americans to get back to work.
But they'll come to their senses as the economy continues to tank.
Or be brought to their senses by tar and feather.
Just my opinion, gently told.
Man, I miss my factory jobs. Maybe a little boring compared to some
work, but finishing a shift with clear head and a sense that I
contributed something to the real world made that worthwhile.
Kept me in good shape too, ready to go to another job and play two!
Wouldn't mind trying it again.
Die with grease on my hands and a smile on my face.
......Nah.

--Vic

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:41:16 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:07:41 -0700, jps wrote:


Most other countries do this, but their govs aren't whores of Wall
Street and/or kumbaya one-world liberalism.
The economy works trickle-up. Always has.
But don't hold your breath.

--Vic

Wall Street Liberalism?

It's Wall St. Capitalism that doesn't give a **** about the welfare of
its fellow citizens.

And/or.
There are many free-trade liberals who think that the if the price of
joblessness here is "lifting up" the Mexican or Chinese peasant,
that's a fair trade.

You're leaving out an important tenet of the liberal message. Those
wages should be living wages and come with the same benefits and
security they would in a civilized nation such as ours. IOW, it'd be
a good deal more expensive to take those jobs and distribute them to
the lowest bidder if the quotient included bennies.

Right in line with the Wall Street pukes who see also see that as
fine, for reasons of lower wages enhancing "shareholder value."
Of course I think they're all full of ****.
They live in fairyland, since most have never worked with their hands
producing real goods, and still don't realize that the money party is
over and it's time for Americans to get back to work.

Agreed.

But they'll come to their senses as the economy continues to tank.
Or be brought to their senses by tar and feather.

My preference.

Just my opinion, gently told.
Man, I miss my factory jobs. Maybe a little boring compared to some
work, but finishing a shift with clear head and a sense that I
contributed something to the real world made that worthwhile.
Kept me in good shape too, ready to go to another job and play two!
Wouldn't mind trying it again.

I had a factory job for a while out of high school. I wasn't ready
for more school yet. Felt the same way. Ran a tab at the local
greasy spoon and let me drink beer at lunch and after work. After a
while it made me want to go back to school.

Turned wrenches on cars while going to school. That was brutal.

Die with grease on my hands and a smile on my face.

Grease on the hands is good. Don't die that way.

.....Nah.

--Vic

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:53:14 -0700, jps wrote:



You're leaving out an important tenet of the liberal message. Those
wages should be living wages and come with the same benefits and
security they would in a civilized nation such as ours. IOW, it'd be
a good deal more expensive to take those jobs and distribute them to
the lowest bidder if the quotient included bennies.

Yeah, but it hasn't worked out that way with NAFTA and Mexico.
And that's basically unenforceable.
How many liberals who believe in that are wearing Nikes made in Asian
child-labor sweatshops.
It's bull****, and like I said. Fairyland.
You take care of your own first, then worry about others.
Ideals are one thing, facts another.

--Vic

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:11:38 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:53:14 -0700, jps wrote:



You're leaving out an important tenet of the liberal message. Those
wages should be living wages and come with the same benefits and
security they would in a civilized nation such as ours. IOW, it'd be
a good deal more expensive to take those jobs and distribute them to
the lowest bidder if the quotient included bennies.

Yeah, but it hasn't worked out that way with NAFTA and Mexico.
And that's basically unenforceable.

Went down the wrong road. It's the thing I like least about Clinton's
time in office, among others. Monica I can handle, WTO is a giant
screw job. Jobs were already in Mexico and have been leaking there
for decades. Supporting the wholesale abdication of manufacturing in
the US was a giant mistake. That's been in process for decades too.

How many liberals who believe in that are wearing Nikes made in Asian
child-labor sweatshops.

I wear Brooks, which are likely made in some Asian country. I've
become much more aware of purchasing US made products in the last
several years. I look at everything now.

It's bull****, and like I said. Fairyland.
You take care of your own first, then worry about others.
Ideals are one thing, facts another.

Understood and I agree. The jerks who support gloabalism accuse
anyone who wants to protect our manufacturing base and protectionists
and isolationists who will hasten our departure from the world
community. China will want to call its loans.

Bottom line, we're screwed. How the hell does this country regain
even a small percentage of what we've given away?


--Vic