On Oct 28, 6:12*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:19:53 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports



wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:40:04 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:42:51 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

Frankly, I honestly don't care either. *However, again to be fair and
balanced, the media and the Left made a big deal about President Bush's
golf outings during times of economic stress and two wars. So why aren't
they making the same comparision for President Obama who has, as of
today, made more golf outings in the first nine months of his
Administration than Bush did in three years of his administration under
the same conditions?

Do you really think it's fair to compare Obama with some idiot who gave
up golf "in solidarity" with dying soldiers?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08/05/13/AR200....

Yes I do. *He gave it up direcly because of the criticism.

Call it what you will. *I don't care one way or the other as I said.

What's fair is fair.

I'll say it again. *Golf is a decadent sport and any Prez who's out
there all smilin' and jiving with his buddies while our soldiers are
dying can't get enough criticism.
Looks like Obama has had no reporter yet film him and ask him about
the guys getting blown away while he's on the links.
Why is that?
This damn "sport" should off-limits for any Prez.
Hell, even playing poker while drinking scotch looks better.
Or bowling with a beer on the scorecard.
Golf is just plain silly, and makes anybody look silly.
There, I said it. *Just what I think.

--Vic


Playing golf isn't bad.

Playing golf while US soldiers die, and refusing to decide to either
support them or pull out while more soldiers die is... criminal.

On 10/28/09 8:00 PM, Jack wrote:
On Oct 28, 6:12 pm, Vic wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:19:53 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports



wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:40:04 -0500,
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:42:51 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:

Frankly, I honestly don't care either. However, again to be fair and
balanced, the media and the Left made a big deal about President Bush's
golf outings during times of economic stress and two wars. So why aren't
they making the same comparision for President Obama who has, as of
today, made more golf outings in the first nine months of his
Administration than Bush did in three years of his administration under
the same conditions?

Do you really think it's fair to compare Obama with some idiot who gave
up golf "in solidarity" with dying soldiers?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...08/05/13/AR200...

Yes I do. He gave it up direcly because of the criticism.

Call it what you will. I don't care one way or the other as I said.

What's fair is fair.

I'll say it again. Golf is a decadent sport and any Prez who's out
there all smilin' and jiving with his buddies while our soldiers are
dying can't get enough criticism.
Looks like Obama has had no reporter yet film him and ask him about
the guys getting blown away while he's on the links.
Why is that?
This damn "sport" should off-limits for any Prez.
Hell, even playing poker while drinking scotch looks better.
Or bowling with a beer on the scorecard.
Golf is just plain silly, and makes anybody look silly.
There, I said it. Just what I think.

--Vic


Playing golf isn't bad.

Playing golf while US soldiers die, and refusing to decide to either
support them or pull out while more soldiers die is... criminal.


Obama isn't "refusing to decide," **** for brains. He's in the process
of deciding. I agree this is a different process than the last POTUS
used. Bush did what he was told.

In article ,
says...

"Jack" wrote in message
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On Oct 28, 11:52 am, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:24:16 -0700, Jack wrote:
More than fair. The idiot in office now won't make a decision, but
still plays tons of golf while soldiers die. WTF!?!

The need isn't to hurry. The need is to get the decision right. Any
troop increases won't be needed until the spring, as the winter weather
in Afghanistan pretty much shuts the Taliban down.

Tell that to the families of the dead soldiers. Besides, what better
time to hit them than when they are inactive?


You want more dead soldiers and grieving families because of a rushed
decision???

A decision is better than no decision.

How many more will die before Obama figures out how to put himself in
the best political light.

"BAR" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

"Jack" wrote in message
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On Oct 28, 11:52 am, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:24:16 -0700, Jack wrote:
More than fair. The idiot in office now won't make a decision, but
still plays tons of golf while soldiers die. WTF!?!

The need isn't to hurry. The need is to get the decision right. Any
troop increases won't be needed until the spring, as the winter weather
in Afghanistan pretty much shuts the Taliban down.

Tell that to the families of the dead soldiers. Besides, what better
time to hit them than when they are inactive?


You want more dead soldiers and grieving families because of a rushed
decision???

A decision is better than no decision.

Correct. And, a well-thought through decision is significantly better than
one that isn't.

We've got plenty of recent experience with ill-conceived decisions, like not
focusing on Afganistan and invading Iraq for no good reason. If only we had
some non-political decisions from the Bush administration on just those
issues (not to mention the countless others) that put the country first. If
only....

How many more will die before Obama figures out how to put himself in
the best political light.

So, in your view no matter what Obama decides, it's purely going to be a
political decision, thus he's unpatriotic. That's where you're headed right?

--
Nom=de=Plume

On Oct 28, 11:49*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:57:32 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:



On Oct 28, 10:23*am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Oct 28, 9:03*am, "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!"

wrote:
On Oct 28, 8:59*am, Loogypicker wrote:

On Oct 27, 7:04*pm, Tosk wrote:

American soldiers killed while Obama campaigns for democrats in New
Jersey. Disgusting how the left has no problem with this, after all the
crap they gave Bush.. Double standard and tingles up their legs.....

Honest Scott, in your quest to **** on everything not conservative,
you're beginning to sound foolish.

Do you not remember the minority media during the Bush admin. Just
want to see some balanced ideas. This double standard is ridiculous
and dangerous for our country. And yes, I remember clearly Obama
saying clearly "I will listen to my generals in the field" during the
campaign, and clearly, he is not, that is important. Much more
important than Scooter Libby forgetting a date.

I'll tell you a double standard. John claims that anything that
happened during the Bush administration is of now, gone.

No double standard there. *That's exactly what the liberals were
saying as soon as Bush took office.

And yes, he
IS listening to his generals. He met for 25 minutes recently regarding
how best to move forward.

Wow... a whole 25 minutes? *It took him longer than that to clean his
clubs after the last golf outing.

Surely those 8 lives are worth more than 25 minutes. *Stop making
excuses for him. *Obama is failing miserably at the job.

They are no better or worse than the other 4000+ who have died. At
three minutes each it would come to about 1700 hours.

Casady

According to the libs, those others died on Bush's watch, but he can
no longer do anything about it. These new ones are dieing on BO's
watch. While he plays golf and... does nothing.

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:57:32 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

On Oct 28, 10:23*am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Oct 28, 9:03*am, "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!"



wrote:
On Oct 28, 8:59*am, Loogypicker wrote:

On Oct 27, 7:04*pm, Tosk wrote:

American soldiers killed while Obama campaigns for democrats in New
Jersey. Disgusting how the left has no problem with this, after all the
crap they gave Bush.. Double standard and tingles up their legs....

Honest Scott, in your quest to **** on everything not conservative,
you're beginning to sound foolish.

Do you not remember the minority media during the Bush admin. Just
want to see some balanced ideas. This double standard is ridiculous
and dangerous for our country. And yes, I remember clearly Obama
saying clearly "I will listen to my generals in the field" during the
campaign, and clearly, he is not, that is important. Much more
important than Scooter Libby forgetting a date.

I'll tell you a double standard. John claims that anything that
happened during the Bush administration is of now, gone.

No double standard there. That's exactly what the liberals were
saying as soon as Bush took office.

And yes, he
IS listening to his generals. He met for 25 minutes recently regarding
how best to move forward.

Wow... a whole 25 minutes? It took him longer than that to clean his
clubs after the last golf outing.

Surely those 8 lives are worth more than 25 minutes. Stop making
excuses for him. Obama is failing miserably at the job.

They are no better or worse than the other 4000+ who have died. At
three minutes each it would come to about 1700 hours.

CORRECTION

Make that 200. I can't imagine where the other figure came from. A
month's worth at 50 hours a week.

Casady

In article 2daf2bfb-bfb9-4b9f-a9a9-1150fbbfb1f9
@o21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com, says...

On Oct 28, 11:49*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:57:32 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:



On Oct 28, 10:23*am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Oct 28, 9:03*am, "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!"

wrote:
On Oct 28, 8:59*am, Loogypicker wrote:

On Oct 27, 7:04*pm, Tosk wrote:

American soldiers killed while Obama campaigns for democrats in New
Jersey. Disgusting how the left has no problem with this, after all the
crap they gave Bush.. Double standard and tingles up their legs....

Honest Scott, in your quest to **** on everything not conservative,
you're beginning to sound foolish.

Do you not remember the minority media during the Bush admin. Just
want to see some balanced ideas. This double standard is ridiculous
and dangerous for our country. And yes, I remember clearly Obama
saying clearly "I will listen to my generals in the field" during the
campaign, and clearly, he is not, that is important. Much more
important than Scooter Libby forgetting a date.

I'll tell you a double standard. John claims that anything that
happened during the Bush administration is of now, gone.

No double standard there. *That's exactly what the liberals were
saying as soon as Bush took office.

And yes, he
IS listening to his generals. He met for 25 minutes recently regarding
how best to move forward.

Wow... a whole 25 minutes? *It took him longer than that to clean his
clubs after the last golf outing.

Surely those 8 lives are worth more than 25 minutes. *Stop making
excuses for him. *Obama is failing miserably at the job.

They are no better or worse than the other 4000+ who have died. At
three minutes each it would come to about 1700 hours.

Casady

According to the libs, those others died on Bush's watch, but he can
no longer do anything about it. These new ones are dieing on BO's
watch. While he plays golf and... does nothing.

What gets me is the 3000 killed on 911 were blamed only on Bush when
it's obvious most of the planning and execution was started during the
Clinton years. Now the Dems insist that everything happening now is all
on Bush, it's that old double standard again...

Tosk wrote:
In article 2daf2bfb-bfb9-4b9f-a9a9-1150fbbfb1f9
@o21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com, says...
On Oct 28, 11:49 am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:57:32 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:



On Oct 28, 10:23 am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Oct 28, 9:03 am, "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!"
wrote:
On Oct 28, 8:59 am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Oct 27, 7:04 pm, Tosk wrote:
American soldiers killed while Obama campaigns for democrats in New
Jersey. Disgusting how the left has no problem with this, after all the
crap they gave Bush.. Double standard and tingles up their legs....
Honest Scott, in your quest to **** on everything not conservative,
you're beginning to sound foolish.
Do you not remember the minority media during the Bush admin. Just
want to see some balanced ideas. This double standard is ridiculous
and dangerous for our country. And yes, I remember clearly Obama
saying clearly "I will listen to my generals in the field" during the
campaign, and clearly, he is not, that is important. Much more
important than Scooter Libby forgetting a date.
I'll tell you a double standard. John claims that anything that
happened during the Bush administration is of now, gone.
No double standard there. That's exactly what the liberals were
saying as soon as Bush took office.
And yes, he
IS listening to his generals. He met for 25 minutes recently regarding
how best to move forward.
Wow... a whole 25 minutes? It took him longer than that to clean his
clubs after the last golf outing.
Surely those 8 lives are worth more than 25 minutes. Stop making
excuses for him. Obama is failing miserably at the job.
They are no better or worse than the other 4000+ who have died. At
three minutes each it would come to about 1700 hours.

Casady
According to the libs, those others died on Bush's watch, but he can
no longer do anything about it. These new ones are dieing on BO's
watch. While he plays golf and... does nothing.

What gets me is the 3000 killed on 911 were blamed only on Bush when
it's obvious most of the planning and execution was started during the
Clinton years. Now the Dems insist that everything happening now is all
on Bush, it's that old double standard again...

A lot of **** slipped by ol Bill while he was getting his axle greased.

In article , says...

Tosk wrote:
In article 2daf2bfb-bfb9-4b9f-a9a9-1150fbbfb1f9
@o21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com, says...
On Oct 28, 11:49 am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:57:32 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:



On Oct 28, 10:23 am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Oct 28, 9:03 am, "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!"
wrote:
On Oct 28, 8:59 am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Oct 27, 7:04 pm, Tosk wrote:
American soldiers killed while Obama campaigns for democrats in New
Jersey. Disgusting how the left has no problem with this, after all the
crap they gave Bush.. Double standard and tingles up their legs....
Honest Scott, in your quest to **** on everything not conservative,
you're beginning to sound foolish.
Do you not remember the minority media during the Bush admin. Just
want to see some balanced ideas. This double standard is ridiculous
and dangerous for our country. And yes, I remember clearly Obama
saying clearly "I will listen to my generals in the field" during the
campaign, and clearly, he is not, that is important. Much more
important than Scooter Libby forgetting a date.
I'll tell you a double standard. John claims that anything that
happened during the Bush administration is of now, gone.
No double standard there. That's exactly what the liberals were
saying as soon as Bush took office.
And yes, he
IS listening to his generals. He met for 25 minutes recently regarding
how best to move forward.
Wow... a whole 25 minutes? It took him longer than that to clean his
clubs after the last golf outing.
Surely those 8 lives are worth more than 25 minutes. Stop making
excuses for him. Obama is failing miserably at the job.
They are no better or worse than the other 4000+ who have died. At
three minutes each it would come to about 1700 hours.

Casady
According to the libs, those others died on Bush's watch, but he can
no longer do anything about it. These new ones are dieing on BO's
watch. While he plays golf and... does nothing.

What gets me is the 3000 killed on 911 were blamed only on Bush when
it's obvious most of the planning and execution was started during the
Clinton years. Now the Dems insist that everything happening now is all
on Bush, it's that old double standard again...

A lot of **** slipped by ol Bill while he was getting his axle greased.

That's not my point. My point is it's time for Obama to man up and take
start making a stand...

"Jack" wrote in message
...
On Oct 28, 11:49 am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:57:32 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:



On Oct 28, 10:23 am, Loogypicker wrote:
On Oct 28, 9:03 am, "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!"

wrote:
On Oct 28, 8:59 am, Loogypicker wrote:

On Oct 27, 7:04 pm, Tosk wrote:

American soldiers killed while Obama campaigns for democrats in
New
Jersey. Disgusting how the left has no problem with this, after
all the
crap they gave Bush.. Double standard and tingles up their
legs....

Honest Scott, in your quest to **** on everything not conservative,
you're beginning to sound foolish.

Do you not remember the minority media during the Bush admin. Just
want to see some balanced ideas. This double standard is ridiculous
and dangerous for our country. And yes, I remember clearly Obama
saying clearly "I will listen to my generals in the field" during the
campaign, and clearly, he is not, that is important. Much more
important than Scooter Libby forgetting a date.

I'll tell you a double standard. John claims that anything that
happened during the Bush administration is of now, gone.

No double standard there. That's exactly what the liberals were
saying as soon as Bush took office.

And yes, he
IS listening to his generals. He met for 25 minutes recently regarding
how best to move forward.

Wow... a whole 25 minutes? It took him longer than that to clean his
clubs after the last golf outing.

Surely those 8 lives are worth more than 25 minutes. Stop making
excuses for him. Obama is failing miserably at the job.

They are no better or worse than the other 4000+ who have died. At
three minutes each it would come to about 1700 hours.

Casady

According to the libs, those others died on Bush's watch, but he can
no longer do anything about it. These new ones are dieing on BO's
watch.

That's why he's trying to make a good decision vs. some decision. I know
this upsets you. Sorry.

--
Nom=de=Plume